I need help, I'm being stiffed for $100,000

[isaacm]

Noble poker is running a Fort Knox jackpot promotion. A few weeks ago, I decided to play since I know I have won sit n' gos before, and I have poker skills. I was fortunate enough to come out on top of 6 straight games. It took me the span of 3 weeks, but I won all 6. I was so excited, and couldn't believe I won. After the 6th game, I sent all the required information to them and was in anticipation
of getting paid. They sent me a ridiculous email back saying that I was in collusion and also accused me of softplay. I earned every win in those sit n' go's and to be accused of something I didn't do is ridiculous. It seems like a cop-out by Noble to use this as an excuse not to pay. I won all 6 games fair and square, and have been getting the run around for 8 days now. I keep calling, and they keep saying to check back in 24-48 hrs. What can I do? I don't know how many people have won this jackpot before me, but I wonder if they were paid. I also had to post up $57 for each tournament and all my account money plus winnings have been frozen in my account for no reason. I'm fed up with calling them, and I need the expertise of casinomeister mods to help me recover my winnings.
Hope someone gets back to me on this.
Thanking you
Yours truly

 

[tantalos]

Provided you've done anything correctly and none of these accusations of NoblePoker stands, this attitude on behalf of Noble Poker is simply outrageous.

By the way, what does "Softplay" mean?

I wish I could be of assistance , but I guess that's CasinoMeister job.

Good luck

 

[chuchu59]

Pitch a bitch to Bryan, the casinomeister. Either him or spearmaster(who normally handles playtech complaints) will deal with this.

 

[spearmaster]

I don't generally handle Playtech complaints. My best suggestion would be to Pitch-a-Bitch when it reopens. Only if I have a good contact at an operation can I generally be of assistance, and Noble Poker is not one of these operations.

 

[buck]

Soft Play

From the site "soft play" is defined as below:

Any player found to be soft playing in order to allow another player to win during the course of a Sit N' Go tournament will have his account frozen.

Hence if the player made any mention of his wins during later games, with his chat, they would probably be DQ, since this could cause others to soft play.

So isaacm, if you were chatting probably the source of such DQ?

More to the story?

6 straight SNG wins is a fantastic feat at the $50 level in my opinion.

Another first time poster with a $100k problem.

Buck

 

[buck]

6 Straight SNG wins

Rather than mess with this I would suggest you enter the WSOP.
I think for someone with your talent a sponsorship would be had.

Buck

 

[paul02085]

$100k!!!!!!!!! That is alot of dough. Hopefully some of the poker affiliates know Noble Poker and can intercede on your behalf. If you are being truthful then this is total robbery and everyone in the industry needs to be made aware of it right away.

Sounds like some of the tricks their casino counterparts try all the time.

Good luck on getting your money (if you are being truthful) and if i were you i would post about this everywhere you can.

 

[liquidsoap]

Now that sucks, you should get paid. Unless they have proof they cant accuse you of softplay. Now if your Ips are somehow linked, or the people you played with all live in the same city, then you wont get paid.
But thats a given....
I doubt many people are affiliated with noble because they are in the group with clubdice, joyland etc.....
I am sure Brian will have to work the magic on this one. And yes, you should join the WSOP.....

 

[Renegade]

I read this thing on

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NoblePoker.com $100,000 Tournament Win Dispute 06/08/2006

IMO, if a player wins fair and square, pay them....If not, please get the heck out of the business!!!!!!

 

[Linus]

Isaac, post your hand histories, please. If you were colluding, the evidence is there.

 

[isaacm]

i have posted this in like 4 sites and there are people trying to figure it out. what i dont get is that, Noble's poker specialists accused me of this bs and all this crap and tried to link me with people i havent heard of and not even sure if i played against them in those tourneys and have no idea who they r either way. when i asked them for the proof and evidence, they havent got back to me yet and its almost a week now. is it me or what im not sure but this sounds like a 21st century that is unheard of. if i was given a math problem to solve by my prof and i solved it and came up with the answer and then the prof asks me for work of how i got the answer will i tell her to give me 10 more days so i can show my work to her???

 

[isaacm]

Isaac, post your hand histories, please. If you were colluding, the evidence is there.

man they froze all my ipoker accounts and i have no access to even to my money in there. i wish i could post my whole hand history ere. its the most retarded thing i have heard of in ages, the accusations they made of me, and they cant give me any freakking evidence for almost a week, its like some rocket science that they cant explain but came to a silly conclusion. what a bunch of idiots. by this time i could have played cash games on those sites and doubled my money atleast.

 

[Renegade]

I just emailed tradal, and asked them what is going on.
I promote Noble Poker through them.
It's sunday right now my time, so hopefully I can at least get an answer and make them aware of this.

 

[Renegade]

isaacm,
I just emailed Tradal and asked them what is going on with Noble Poker.
I promote Noble Poker through them so hopefully I can at least get an answer and make them aware of this, if they are already not.

 

[cipher]

i have posted this in like 4 sites and there are people trying to figure it out. what i dont get is that, Noble's poker specialists accused me of this bs and all this crap and tried to link me with people i havent heard of and not even sure if i played against them in those tourneys and have no idea who they r either way. when i asked them for the proof and evidence, they havent got back to me yet and its almost a week now. is it me or what im not sure but this sounds like a 21st century that is unheard of. if i was given a math problem to solve by my prof and i solved it and came up with the answer and then the prof asks me for work of how i got the answer will i tell her to give me 10 more days so i can show my work to her???

Hi issacm:

I'm not sure if the Casinomeister is still traveling or not. But if I were you' I'd get the ball rolling by: First, fill out a Pitch a Bitch form so that Bryan has all the particulars at his disposal. Secondly, I'd stop posting at all the varied and assorted sites until such time as Bryan has had a chance to get a feel for this case. Third, the amount of money involved here is substantial so it can only serve your best interests to quiet down for a bit and let Bryan work on this. At this point the fewer hands in this soup the better.

Have a good one.

 

[bossplayer]

Uh, one more thing if you havent done it allready. Request the game logs. And collect all of the other peoples screen names. This will be needed for obvious reasons, it is their only defense. Also, if you can still look in the software even though your account is frozen, see where the other people live.

 

[paul02085]

Isaacm, Cipher is right. Do a Pitch a Bitch and let Bryan get involved. He is correct that now is the time to cool it re posting anymore for the time being.
I think you will get paid in the end unless they have concrete proof that is made public.

 

[Linus]

Isaac, refusing to turn over your hand histories is unacceptable. They're your hand histories, you're entitled to them.

Having said that, how is it you didn't get any HH's, before they locked your acct?

A lot of folks are going to find that suspicious. Many poker players record all their games. They're going to have a hard time imagining sitting down to a 100K sng, without managing to have gotten a record of anything.

They're going to suspect you do have records, but don't want to post them, because you know what they will show.

 

[cipher]

Isaac, refusing to turn over your hand histories is unacceptable. They're your hand histories, you're entitled to them.

Having said that, how is it you didn't get any HH's, before they locked your acct?

A lot of folks are going to find that suspicious. Many poker players record all their games. They're going to have a hard time imagining sitting down to a 100K sng, without managing to have gotten a record of anything.

They're going to suspect you do have records, but don't want to post them, because you know what they will show.

Hi Linus:

While I understand that you and probably a lot of the POKER players here would like to see the Hand Histories, you should also understand that this situation deals with a considerable amount of money. Having said that, I think I've shown on a few occassions here on this site that I know what I'm talking about when it comes to large amounts of money being owed by casinos and collecting those funds.

Trust me, this is no time to be posting hand histories or anything else about this transaction. It's just going to muddy up the water or so to speak when and if Bryan feels that he wants to get involved in this issue.

And please Linus do not take this as a personal afront to you as it is not intended as such. Sometimes the best thing to say in matters such as this is absolutely nothing at all.

Have a good one.

 

[Linus]

Cypher -

If it were me, I'd post the hands on 2+2. The players there will be able to tell whether there's collusion.

If there's not, proving it on 2+2 is the best way I know of to get Noble to pay up.

If there is, well, if there's anything poker players hate more than a cheating casino, it's a colluder.

Of course, first he's got to get the hand histories.

 

[Linus]

Isaac, where else have you posted this?

 

[dominique]

Hi Linus:


Trust me, this is no time to be posting hand histories or anything else about this transaction. It's just going to muddy up the water or so to speak when and if Bryan feels that he wants to get involved in this issue.

Take cipher's advice, he knows what he's talking about here!

 

[thelawnet]

$100k!!!!!!!!! That is alot of dough. Hopefully some of the poker affiliates know Noble Poker and can intercede on your behalf. If you are being truthful then this is total robbery and everyone in the industry needs to be made aware of it right away.

Sounds like some of the tricks their casino counterparts try all the time.

To be fair, the chances are he did collude.

The casino says he did, maybe he did, maybe not.

But certainly there's a fairly good chance that he didn't win this fairly.

Let's not jump to conclusions without any evidence.

 

[tennis_balls]

2 threads with exact same title

isaacm, you're really not helping your case at all by starting 2 different threads with the same title.

 

[cipher]

Cypher -

If it were me, I'd post the hands on 2+2. The players there will be able to tell whether there's collusion.

If there's not, proving it on 2+2 is the best way I know of to get Noble to pay up.

If there is, well, if there's anything poker players hate more than a cheating casino, it's a colluder.

Of course, first he's got to get the hand histories.

Hi Linus:

I dispise cheaters as much as the next guy Linus. But the crux of the matter here is a casino (NOBLE) is not wanting to pay this player under the purported quise that this player was cheating.

But the fact here is that this player does not hav't to prove that he wasn't cheating. The casino has raised the specter of the player's purported cheating and in that instance it's the casinos responsibility to prove up the cheating element or pay the player if they cannot prove up the cheating element.

Have a good one.

 

[Linus]

iPoker doesn't have an address or location on their webpage. Under "contact us," there's only a form for you to leave your information.

Noble Poker has plenty of email addresses and phone numbers, but no info on where they're located, or who, if anyone, regulates them.

Noble uses Playtech software, which is located in Cyprus.

Regardless, there's no one for Isaac to appeal to, and no laws that govern the case.

If you're an insider with special access, great. Send him your resume.

Otherwise, there's no where for him to go, except to the only people Noble cares about - other poker players.

 

[cipher]

iPoker doesn't have an address or location on their webpage. Under "contact us," there's only a form for you to leave your information.

Noble Poker has plenty of email addresses and phone numbers, but no info on where they're located, or who, if anyone, regulates them.

Noble uses Playtech software, which is located in Cyprus.

Regardless, there's no one for Isaac to appeal to, and no laws that govern the case.

If you're an insider with special access, great. Send him your resume.

Otherwise, there's no where for him to go, except to the only people Noble cares about - other poker players.

Hi Linus:

Oh believe me if it's found out that these suckers are running the scam on this they will be held to answer and you can take that to the bank.

Have a good one.

B. J. (cipher)

 

[Renegade]

A Whois search on Noble Poker returned this:

Registrant
Empire Online Ltd
Atlantic Chambers Romasco
Harbour House Road
Town Tortola, NA NA
Virgin Islands (British)

They are part of the Kahnawake Gaming Commission

I would also like to point out that The Kahnawake Gaming Commission
is comprised of members appointed by the Mohawk Council of Kahnawake.
These are Native Americans, part of the Iroquois Nation.
When talking with them you cannot be disrepectful.
These men hold time honored traditions.


But I can't find too much else on them.
I'll keep looking.

 

[AussieDave]

A Whois search on Noble Poker returned this:

Registrant
Empire Online Ltd
Atlantic Chambers Romasco
Harbour House Road
Town Tortola, NA NA
Virgin Islands (British)

They are part of the Kahnawake Gaming Commission

I would also like to point out that The Kahnawake Gaming Commission
is comprised of members appointed by the Mohawk Council of Kahnawake.
These are Native Americans, part of the Iroquois Nation.
When talking with them you cannot be disrepectful.
These men hold time honored traditions.
QUOTE]

Not to be disrespectful, but, Kahnawake Gaming Commission is about as useful a tits on a bull when it comes to player disputes.

They've proved time and time again either that they simple don't care or don't have the adequate resources to address such issues. FYI Golden Palace is also under Kahnawake, as are other places too. Apart from having a kick ass state of the art server compound, they only provide a means for gambling venues to be licensed imo, that's all.

As the Virgin Islands is under British rule, and depending of what type of company set-up Empire Online Ltd has established, this may offer a better opportunity in the way of legal proceedings, given that current legal climate in Britain towards casinos and poker rooms.

Though I'm sure cipher is more apt in legality knowledge towards this subject than a layperson such as myself.

 

[Renegade]

This is very true Trezz, in regards to british rule.
The gaming commission kahnawake (Kahnaw:ke) is comprised of 3 people.
I was just saying that if anyone does contact them, they have to be respectful or they will turn a deaf ear to you.
In this case contacting Kahnawake is of no use, the dispute is with Noble Poker, if Noble is guilty, then a request/complaint to Kahnawake can then be issued.
I only mentioned the above about the Mohawk Council so others would know.


I am still trying to look for other info about Noble Poker, but nothing is really coming up that could be helpful.
I'll keep trying.

 

[cipher]

I could be wrong, but wasn't EMPIRE ON LINE one of the skins that was bought up by Party Poker a couple months back? And I believe EMPIRE ON LINE owns NOBLE POKER.

I seem to recall a certain press release about how Party Poker had bought up EMPIRE ON LINE on the eve of a multi-million dollar suit commencing against Party Poker.

The owner of Party Poker (Anarag Dikshit) certainly won't be hard to find. It might be a good idea to pull that file from a few months back out of storage. The one where STARLUCK CASINO also of PARTY POKER fame tried dragging their feet (unsuccessfully) in paying a player some $700,000.00 plus on three Video Poker Royal Straight Flushes that were hit within the course of a weeks time.

Have a good one.

 

[Renegade]

I could be wrong, but wasn't EMPIRE ON LINE one of the skins that was bought up by Party Poker a couple months back? And I believe EMPIRE ON LINE owns NOBLE POKER.

I do believe you are correct here.

 

[quber]

The owner of Party Poker (Anarag Dikshit) certainly won't be hard to find.

Cipher,

I believe Ruth Parasol is the owner of Party Poker. Anarag Dikshit is the technical director, he wrote the software.

 

[cipher]

Cipher,

I believe Ruth Parasol is the owner of Party Poker. Anarag Dikshit is the technical director, he wrote the software.

Hi Guber:

You are right in that Ruth Parasol was the original founder of Party Poker but Anurag Dikshit bought her and her husband out a couple of years ago.

Have a good one.

 

[Linus]

Party booted its skins, including Empire. Empire sued Party. Party responded by buying Empire Poker. It did not buy Empire's other properties, whatever they were.

 

[Linus]

To be fair, the chances are he did collude.

Unfortunately, true. That promo was designed like a virtual Colluder Motel "They check in, but they don't check out...

 

[Renegade]

I just got an email from Tradal.
They were unaware of this, so I gave them the link to this thread.
They are in contact with the Manager of Noble Poker about this.
We'll see what happens.

 

[Renegade]

As I posted in the other thread, I emailed Tradal about this.
Tradal just contacted me and said they were unaware of this.
I gave them both links to this thread and they are in contact with the Manager of Noble Poker.
So we'll see what they say.

 

[spearmaster]

Anurag Dikshit is still a major shareholder in PartyGaming, as are Ruth Parasol and her husband Russ DeLeon.

Obviously, they are all part owners.

 

[prrmike]

With all due respect to Tradal, they should definitely be aware of this, as I contacted them on 6-10-06.

 

[GOCC]

But certainly there's a fairly good chance that he didn't win this fairly.

Let's not jump to conclusions without any evidence.

I think you have already

 

[paul02085]

Could the mods combine the 2 threads? Seems silly to have 2 open.

 

[cipher]

Anurag Dikshit is still a major shareholder in PartyGaming, as are Ruth Parasol and her husband Russ DeLeon.

Obviously, they are all part owners.

Hi Spear:

Thanks for the update Spear.

Have a good one.

 

[Renegade]

I have an RSS/XML News feed on my New Poker site, and this was in the news the other day....

PartyGaming Plc. founders sell off more shares

The four founders of PartyGaming Plc., the world's largest online gambling company and owner of PartyPoker.com, sold off more of their stock Wednesday, walking away with 232 million. Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein (DKW) represented Anurag Dikshit, Vikrant Bahrgava, Ruth Parasol and her husband Russ DeLeon, along with another shareholder Nitin Jain, selling about 5% of the company's stock.

Originally the founders had hoped to sell 8% of the company's stock at 119p to 120p per share. The stock ended up selling at 116p per share which is the same price it floated at one year ago.

All four founders have already made millions with the flotation of the business. Parasol, a former porn baroness, and DeLeon each sold 218 million worth of shares when the company was floated last summer. Dikshit sold 420 million worth of stock at the same time, and Bhargava made 61.5 million by selling shares when the company listed.

After Wednesday's sale, Dikshit still holds 28.95% of the business, DeLeon and Parasol each have 14.87% of the business and Bhargava still holds 6.96%. Together the four still control about 65.7% of PartyGaming.

To retain the company's tax advantages in Gibraltar, the founders must keep a majority stake until 2010. If they want to sell below the majority holdings, they have to give PartyGaming twelve months notice.

The founders have agreed not to sell any more shares until after Sept. 5, 2006, when PartyGaming announces its half-year results. They're currently locked into their holdings until the end of December, so they would need approval from DKW if they want to sell any more stock between Sept. 5 and the end of the year.

 

[isaacm]

Isaac, where else have you posted this?

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[justred]

To be fair, the chances are he did collude.

The casino says he did, maybe he did, maybe not.

But certainly there's a fairly good chance that he didn't win this fairly.

Let's not jump to conclusions without any evidence.

Agere on the jumping to conclusions bit, but can;' see why someone can't win the Fort Knox thingie.

I won 5 out of 6 sit and go tourneys this weekend. Grant it, it is unlikely to happen again, but it can.

Having said that - Player wins, Noble poker (Empire) doesn't pay. Doesn't sound far fetched to me.

 

[Linus]

Isaac, post your emails with Noble so far.

Have they given you any reason for not sending you your hand histories?

 

[jetset]

PARTY GAMING UNSTEADY FOLLOWING 5 PERCENT SHARE SELL-OFF BY FOUNDERS

Founders' holdings reduced by 190 million shares


Last week's sell off of a total of some 190 million shares by the 4 founders of Party Gaming (see previous InfoPowa report) continued to make for an unsteady stock this week.

The situation was exacerbated by two of the directors, Dikshit and Bhargarva stepping down from the Board earlier. Bhargava resigned as marketing director, and Dikshit said he was stepping down from the board to focus on product development.

Anurag Dikshit offloaded 57 million shares, reducing his stake to 28.95 percent, while Vikrant Bhargava sold 67 million, leaving him with 6.96 percent. Ruth Parasol and her husband, Russell DeLeon, both disposed 33 million shares, leaving each with 14.87 percent of the company.

Between them, the four still own 65.7 percent of Party Gaming.

The group said the directors would not sell any more shares for the rest of the year without the consent of investment brokers and bankers Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein.

Party Gaming also moved to assuage fears of further share sales by reiterating that to keep its Gibraltar base and beneficial tax status the founders have to maintain a majority holding until 2010.

A years notice is needed if the founders intend to reduce their combined holding below 50 percent, Party Gaming added.

 

[The Dude]

Could the mods combine the 2 threads? Seems silly to have 2 open.

Done.

 

[sripal32]

Party booted its skins, including Empire. Empire sued Party. Party responded by buying Empire Poker. It did not buy Empire's other properties, whatever they were.

As linus has said, Party is not linked to Noble

Party bought Empire poker not Empire Online.

Since Empire Online owns Noble Poker and is a publicly listed company, there is no way that they can cheat a player like this and get away with it. So if what player says is true, he can pick it with auditing agencies or regulatory bodies (plc) on this.

Cheers!
Sri

P.S: do I get my second 'Thanked' for this one? I always seem to be late on all issues