eCOGRA needs to make a decision about JACKPOT FACTORY... NOW!!

[Scooter7]

If, after the dust clears, it's proven that a casino operator can get away with unscrupulous behaviour, then the anti-online gaming crowd will have some serious ammunition to fire at the whole industry...not just the unethical operators.

If, on the other hand, a strong, enforceable ruling that makes an example of poor behaviour is delivered, then the pro-online gaming supporters will have an important victory. It will prove that the industry is pursuing an aggressive self-regulating reputation and that further regulation will lead to a strong, ethical, and trustworthy industry.

I think this story, if properly spread to the mainstream media, can have a huge negative or positive impact on good and bad operators alike depending on how the issue is resolved.


Comments?

[GrandMaster]

Point taken. And I would agree that the evidence is, to say the least, overwhelming... but Andrew still has a board to answer to so he may not be empowered to even suspend without a vote being called first, and that would likely require at least a conference call when all of them can be present.

There is also e-mail. Even if a conference call is necessary, it is hard to believe that the have not had time to have one in 4 days. Remember, this is a major scandal. If they are all so busy with other things, then maybe they should not be directors of ecogra. If compliance with English law is so cumbersome, they could have specified that disputes will be settled under Costa Rican law or Saudi Arabian law or whatever.

Frank Catania was Director of New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement. If a casino in Atlantic City had displayed a billboard claiming that gambling cures depression, would he have asked the casino to take it down immediately, or would he have filed a lawsuit for lawyers and expert witnesses to argue the benefits of gambling in treating depression, and wait for the outcome months or years later? Regulatory agencies, which ecogra claims to be, have to act quickly sometimes. Then there may be an appeal, probably through the regulatory agency's internal procedures first and then to the courts.

I did not expect ecogra to make a final decision in four days, but I expected them to do something visible, and to keep us informed.

[unicorn40]

I did not expect ecogra to make a final decision in four days, but I expected them to do something visible, and to keep us informed

Exactly GrandMaster.......and links people are still finding is just so sick.......What the hell was this place thinking? This is disgusting that a casino would post this crap and after all of this, STILL have posts there.....

[jetset]

If, after the dust clears, it's proven that a casino operator can get away with unscrupulous behaviour, then the anti-online gaming crowd will have some serious ammunition to fire at the whole industry...not just the unethical operators.

If, on the other hand, a strong, enforceable ruling that makes an example of poor behaviour is delivered, then the pro-online gaming supporters will have an important victory. It will prove that the industry is pursuing an aggressive self-regulating reputation and that further regulation will lead to a strong, ethical, and trustworthy industry.

I think this story, if properly spread to the mainstream media, can have a huge negative or positive impact on good and bad operators alike depending on how the issue is resolved.


Comments?

I think this is one of the most rational and even-handed posts in this thread so far, Scooter.

I agree this incident portrays conduct that on the face of it is so unethical and downright stupid that it could be tremendously damaging to the industry as a whole if taken up by the mainstream media, despite the fact that it has been perpetrated by a single group. The very nature of the targets would ensure notoriety imo.

Those who want to see a better industry must hope that eCOGRA defends its standards by taking considered, appropriate and fair action.

[mitch]

I will refer only to the eCOGRA issue here.

Much as I would like them to come out and declare and confirm what scum this group is, they have to be careful.

They could be open to serious legal action by this group if they :-

1. Get it wrong. (not likely!)

2. Reach and declare judgement without demonstrable consideration, which obviously includes giving the group time and opportunity to respond to all allegations. ( I know members are anxious to proceed to the execution but the knitting will have to wait for a while!)

Mitch

[vtlady]

I have been trying to tell you that the eCogra approved casinos have the eCogra Board in their pockets. Have any of you checked out the members of the eCogra Board and their affiliations to the approved casinos and software companies? They are all connected in someway that benefits each of them.

[rtmlam]

To me eCogra is an irrelevant entity.

Casino Meister rogued them and that is good enough for me.

I agree, eCogra is nothing more than a "rubber stamp" in my book. The eCogra seal is not going to sway any decision on my part with regards to which casinos I may choose to play. I will make this decision based on my own research utilizing forums such as the Meisters and the feedback, experiences of other members. While I agree they need some time to properly investigate any allegations, foot-dragging only further damages their credibility when these types of blatant misconduct are not addressed promptly. At the least make some type of statement that the matter is being addressed. Has this at a minimum been done ?

[The Watchdog]

MORE HAPPY I CAN NOT BE...

I dunno what happened or where was I yesterday that I had not read this amazing thread.

I remember the day I learned about eCogra as if it was the day I lost my virginity.... I can't recall on which site it was were I saw there stamp. It was the Riverbelle or 7 Sultans. (Riverbelle is great) (7 Sultans, no further comments)

http://www.ecogra.com/egap.aspx?Page=1&OP=O

The page above was little bit different of what is now days when I first read it.

The first time I read that, my reaction was: DAMN... GOOD FOR THIS PEOPLE.. THEY WILL PROBABLY STOP A LOT OF COLD-HEARTED MF'S OUT THERE...

Any ways, some time went by and at some moment my job was very related to check out competition sites to see what they offered, how they worked and trying to stay one step ahead of them. Through the millions of sites I researched a lot had the nice eCogra logo. At some point I remember telling my boss.. Hey: why aren't we endorsed by those guys.. it provides security and shows that our site is good... Honestly I don't remember what he said about it.

After reviewing some sites, I learned that some of them did not honored their promotions, delayed payouts with no excuse, in brief tons of things that were written on the website above were not being honored. After a while I got the feeling that these eCogra guys were nothing but some guys saling a logo.

I am going to be honest. I have nothing bad to say about Mummys gold. Darran the guys who posts here has been nothing but nice to me and has showed that Mummysgold runs a decent and honest operation. You can see Mummysgold still on the meister's acredited page.

Anyways, something happened with mummysgold which was not nice and made me file a complain to eCogra. What later happen is that Darran told me that there were some things they did not expect what happen with a certain promotion which brought tons of activity to them and told me that he was working on all this to satisfy everyones demands. As you may see, he was honest, humble and hard working enough to bring all this situation to a happy ending where, I believe, everyone is happy with Mummysgold... I have not seeing further complains and apparently Darran succeded on helping every customer. My complain was already sent to eCogra, after Darran had admitted that somethings went bad, eCogra in an email basically told me: Your complain is not valid. Mummysgold is fine... SHUT UP.

Honestly, lets bury them... I know that tons of unexperienced customers might see the T@%@# eCogra logo, learn about eCogra and experience my first feeling: Oh.. they endorse it!!! They must be good....

They must have built a fortune on $500 a logo ...

[Pinababy69]

If, after the dust clears, it's proven that a casino operator can get away with unscrupulous behaviour, then the anti-online gaming crowd will have some serious ammunition to fire at the whole industry...not just the unethical operators.

If, on the other hand, a strong, enforceable ruling that makes an example of poor behaviour is delivered, then the pro-online gaming supporters will have an important victory. It will prove that the industry is pursuing an aggressive self-regulating reputation and that further regulation will lead to a strong, ethical, and trustworthy industry.

I think this story, if properly spread to the mainstream media, can have a huge negative or positive impact on good and bad operators alike depending on how the issue is resolved.


Comments?

Scooter, I think you've nailed it. Given the debate currently going on in the US, this issue couldn't have come at a better (or worse) time, dependent on the outcome.

This issue is about social responsibility, and how much of that responsibility the operators and regulators are willing to assume, and should assume. I can't stress enough how important I think it is that a precedent be set.

Excellent post!!

It's amazing how many new contributors to the forum this issue has brought out, I hope everyone sticks around after this is over. We could sure use some more reasonable, level-headed people who actually give a shit around here.

[Renegade]

This is very serious...

eCOGRA has its hands full on this one, if they make a mistake the industry could be crushed, if they do what is right and just for the better of online gambling then the industry will have a hugh boost.
Their rep is on line, but so is the industry.
If eCOGRA fails in the handling of this, I don't know if the Gambling Industry can recover.
With the anti-gambling bill and states pushing to ban online gambling we're in big trouble in the states if eCOGRA fails.
I just hope eCOGRA realizes that the entire industry is going to be impacted by this...either good or bad.