Are online table games truly random numbers?

[GotToWinNow]

Hi, I’m new here and new to the world of gambling, being totally new to online gaming. This is my first post and forgive me if this question has been rehashed, but I’m not even familiar enough with gambling terminology to do a good search for what I’m looking for.

I am wondering exactly what is meant by this payoff percentage I read about on online casinos? I have a home roulette wheel and have developed a strategy that has crushed the bank on this, as well as one internet casino that I have played at in “free play”. My buddy told me it WILL NOT work online, even if it works on a real wheel, because he read the internet casino software is manipulated to hold back a set percentage. I argued that should only be on games that are “set” such as slots, just as in a real casino. If a casino pays back say 97% of the money, is that a long-term statistical average, or a set hold-back monitored by the software?

See, I like to play roulette and craps. As a new gambler, to me, it is much simpler to develop strategies and probabilities about the limited field of numbers that are clear on a pair of dice or a roulette wheel. I’ve actually played much more roulette and understand the game far better.

In a “real” casino, dice and wheels are TRULY random. This does not mean that are not more often than not predictable, but that’s a whole different science. There is absolutely nothing that says the house will not take a brutal beating one particular night, or walk away with almost all money wagered the next night. The 5.26% or 2.63% house advantage is just the advantage on a distribution of numbers. I’m sure the house takes far more than that amount because most people don’t know when to quit.

Is the roulette wheel on online software truly a random number or is it contingent upon my bet? Is the computer set to only let me run things up so far before it starts taking back its money? Is there anything that would keep me from turning $300 into $50,000, in theory?

If I have a strategy that rocks, and I think I’m getting there, do I need to “hit and run” or could I run this thing out for weeks and keep running it up? In theory if it wins long-term, I could do whatever I wanted if there was true randomness, so I would think.

[sirius]

There is no system to beat the house edge of any game so don't bother trying. You are always expected to lose 2.7% or 5.26% of the total amount wagered. Almost any system can beat the roulette wheel but it is just luck. You could even be ahead in the 5.26% edge American Roulette (two green numbers) playing the even money bets for a couple of thousand spins if luck was on your side. If you played the more unlikely bets (such as a few numbers straight up) each time, even with the terrible house edge of American Roulette you could go tens of thousands of spins before it would be impossible to be ahead.

[GrandMaster]

http://www.wizardofodds.com/gambling...g-systems.html

[jpsartre]

Not another one of those discussions...

Just search the forum and you'll find plenty of threads that should interest you.

[Flavio4321]

The numbers you see on internet roulette are generated using computers, which mean they are pseudorandom numbers, according to mathworld.wolfram.com this is .....

A slightly archaic term for a computer-generated random number. The prefix pseudo- is used to distinguish this type of number from a "truly" random number generated by a random physical process such as radioactive decay. Eric Weisstein's World of Physics .........

In my opinion decent casinos (any casino from meister list) has a pseudorandom number generator. This is the good news.

Now, the bad news is I agree with GrandMaster and Sirius, you can´t develope a system to beat a fair roulette game. You can read about systems in wizardofodds site, you have a link on grandmasters post.

Best of luck to you, Flavio.

[nafanny29]

The numbers you see on internet roulette are generated using computers, which mean they are pseudorandom numbers, according to mathworld.wolfram.com this is .....

A slightly archaic term for a computer-generated random number. The prefix pseudo- is used to distinguish this type of number from a "truly" random number generated by a random physical process such as radioactive decay. Eric Weisstein's World of Physics .........

In my opinion decent casinos (any casino from meister list) has a pseudorandom number generator. This is the good news.

Now, the bad news is I agree with GrandMaster and Sirius, you can´t develope a system to beat a fair roulette game. You can read about systems in wizardofodds site, you have a link on grandmasters post.

Best of luck to you, Flavio.

I believe Boss Media casinos use some sort of radioactive decay thingy to generate random numbers. (although I find it very hard to believe sometimes )

[GrandMaster]

I believe Boss Media casinos use some sort of radioactive decay thingy to generate random numbers. (although I find it very hard to believe sometimes )

According to several casino websites, they use white noise from two independent Zener diodes.

[Flavio4321]

According to several casino websites, they use white noise from two independent Zener diodes.

Which casinos are you talking about??, just curious.

[eek]

"Which casinos are you talking about??, just curious"
He's talking about Boss casinos.
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No-one really knows. It's a secret.
And no-one will ever know.
And no-one knows if the randomness switch is 'on' or 'off' when they play.

Internet casinos that were mobbed a couple of years ago are ghost sites now because of perceived riggedness, whether true or not.

Poker is doing fine at the moment, but as usual, no-one can prove or disprove the randomness issue.

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The future is likely to be peer-to-peer stuff.

[eek]

Places like youplaygames.com had the idea of playing counterstrike etc for cash.
The games community is MASSIVE compared to the gambling community, you can easily get 000's of players on a popular site at peak periods.

However, players also know that these games are hacked to death and the cash concept died.

http://www.gamechronicles.com/qa/ypg/body.htm

http://cyborg2.com/playersonline.php