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    Question I Wonder Why???? ( Video Poker )

    Hello all. Hope you are going win - win road now

    By the way, there is a question I have been hiding in my
    secret pocket of my heart for about 2 years since I started
    playing at casino.

    What is actually the point when there are only cards whose number
    is fewer than the "target" card when you DOUBLE at VP? You know,
    it is quite a waste of time to reverse...because you will reverse only to
    find the card whose number is fewer than yours and lose.

    I am sorry this may sound moronic, and have to admit my country
    does not have Casinos on land. and my knowledge is only equivalent
    to that of 9 years old child, but wonder is wonder.

    If there are only cards available whose number is fewer than yours,
    then why doesn't software say to you "Hey, you don't have to reverse,
    you are done already". And we can omit the time to reverse.

    Hmmmm....may be did I come up with a revolutionary idea which may
    cause turbulance in this industry?

    Anyway, have you never wondered about this? Curious very much.
    Last edited by universexf6; 2nd March 2005 at 05:15 PM.

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    Suckers bet

    I think it's a 'suckers bet'. In Microgaming, you must select a higher card, you cannot choose which direction to go in (well not that I can see). The payoff is 1x but the odds are less than 50% of winning. It's just an opportunity to increase the house edge of a VP with a low house edge. It's a bit like the Insurance and Bonus bets in Blackjack (another game with a low house edge). I certainly don't double a decent win in VP, I might double a pair for a bit of fun. I was even offered double up on a Royal Flush - I can just see that King turn over - now where is that Ace?

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    The odds on a double up are 50%, not less. The reason a double up is offered is because people like to double up more than once - see how often you can call the flip of a coin correctly... and as a result the house will more often than not end up with the money.

    Universexf6, the short answer to your question is because the server actually does not know this when it sends the signal to the software on your computer - it only sends the value of the cards and does a check after you send your selection back!

    And by the way, I have seen on a number occasions the dealer has a jack or queen, only for all the player cards to be aces or kings! So it definitely works both ways.

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    50%

    It doesn't seem so with Microgaming. You can only choose higher, not colour or suit as on some. All the other cards are turned after selecting and often I find it was unwinnable, so not even 1 in 4 odds there. Even with a 4 or 5 I get rather a lot of Deuces and threes and find I have managed to find the one and only losing card. As it's pure luck I would expect to find the 'one and only' on 1 in 4 occasions, but it's more like 1 in 2 or 1 in 3 at best.
    If you could choose whether to select for high or low then it would be 50/50
    An experiment could be used to test this, but several hundred double up attempts are needed for a fair analysis.

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    Being able to select high or low is completely irrelevant. If the dealer has a 2 showing, you have a 48/51 chance of winning, and a 3/51 chance of tying - no chance of losing.

    By the same token, if the dealer has an Ace, you have a 3/51 chance of tying - 48/51 chance of losing, and no chance of winning.

    If you were given the chance to choose high or low, you would have a huge advantage - this is not Acey Deucey or Red Dog we're playing, it's Double up. Alternately, you could be given a Red/Black or Heads/Tails opportunity, which is boring as hell and not the way it's done in Vegas.

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    hi guys
    i once had a royal flush at ladbrokes, i doubled up, and dealer hit a 2 i turned my card, at worst it was a stand off.....and i hit a 3 but i wasnt playing max coin when i hit the royal! never play the game now without playing max coin........
    gambling is addictive! all take care........

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    Quote Originally Posted by spearmaster
    The odds on a double up are 50%, not less. The reason a double up is offered is because people like to double up more than once - see how often you can call the flip of a coin correctly... and as a result the house will more often than not end up with the money.

    Universexf6, the short answer to your question is because the server actually does not know this when it sends the signal to the software on your computer - it only sends the value of the cards and does a check after you send your selection back!

    And by the way, I have seen on a number occasions the dealer has a jack or queen, only for all the player cards to be aces or kings! So it definitely works both ways.

    Thank you fof reply, master. Now your point is very clear and it is always
    so that receiving your reply is very fun. Anyway. please input and provide
    us with information and it is always appreciated. Thanks.

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    On a side note the double up on VP in Las Vegas is not random from personal experiance
    aka thatsBAD

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    Universexf6, you're welcome

    Nafanny - I believe the double-up function is regulated by the Nevada Gaming Board, and *must* be random. And since just about every single video poker machine is made by IGT, they certainly would not take the risk of losing their license.

    In the UK, now, that's a different story Talk about a rigged machine... LOL...

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