A CHALLENGE to Cipher and Bethug (merged with Seanjohn's "apology" thread)

[caruso]

Kenny Uston was not just a counter. He was one of the most brilliant minds alive. Strangely enough, he was also the one who devised the system to beat Pacman

Caruso - stop working from foreign computers... LOL... you must be in France or something. That is one of my pet peeves...

LOL, Spain actually. I think I´ve got my head around it now, however.

Uston may have been many things, but this relates to his blackjack. He was a counter. His blackjack techniques were proven. He was not a "progressionist" or a "trendist" or anything else. One could try to claim such at CM, since this is not a blackjack forum and doesn´t have a BJ-savvy audience. If anyone is unsure about this, post about it at advantageplayer, bjmath or bj21. His methods require no proving as they´re already proven - MATHEMATICALLY. The "proof" does not come in the form of pointless claims on anonymous message boards.

Sorry for any incoherence above, but time is running short on this spectacularly over-priced internet station.

[bpb]

Ya know bpb, I've really tried giving you the benefit of the doubt. But some of the things you come up with are nothing short of juvenile and I'm really having some serious doubts if you are even old enough to gamble.

What in God's name was juvenile about that question? Poker players and BJ card counters frequently seek backers in order to play with a bankroll above their current means, as they can earn more money by jumping into a higher game now and splitting the profits with backers rather than building their own bankroll. I was asking if this was your rationale for taking backers at the start.

You went off on a poster stating that every question asked in this thread has been answered. I still see no answer to the question that started this thread. Every civil attempt to get one has been met with nothing but insults.

[spearmaster]

LOL, Spain actually. I think I´ve got my head around it now, however.

LOL. Strangely enough, when I was in Barcelona last month, the resort had an English keyboard... but Spanish Windows!

And upon leaving, I went into the Air France lounge... and that blasted computer had a French keyboard... and sometimes even when I am in the UK, they use UK keyboards which have a slightly different key layout to American keyboards... for example " and @ are switched around...

Uston was a master counter, that's for sure. His books are a really interesting read as well.

Sorry for any incoherence above, but time is running short on this spectacularly over-priced internet station.

That'll teach you to take holidays in Spain

[cipher]

What in God's name was juvenile about that question? Poker players and BJ card counters frequently seek backers in order to play with a bankroll above their current means, as they can earn more money by jumping into a higher game now and splitting the profits with backers rather than building their own bankroll. I was asking if this was your rationale for taking backers at the start.

You went off on a poster stating that every question asked in this thread has been answered. I still see no answer to the question that started this thread. Every civil attempt to get one has been met with nothing but insults.

Why I do what I do at anytime is of absolutely no concern to you or anyone else on this forum or any other forum.

[Petunia]

**Are we there yet, or are we still going round the bush?**

[bethug]

bpb, do you even play?

[bpb]

Had you given this response to jonvegas

Why I do what I do at anytime is of absolutely no concern to you or anyone else on this forum or any other forum.

instead of this one

First off, there was not a single question that wasn't thorougly answered.

I would not have pressed the issue. Given the latter response, I thought you were open to responding to the questions posed repeatedly throughout this thread, or that perhaps I had missed those responses. I was mistaken.

bpb, do you even play?

I'm not sure what prompted this question, but I'm happy to answer it. I gamble quite a bit online, and to a lesser extent offline. 99% of the time, I only gamble when I have the best of it (ie my wager has a positive expectation). I have absolutely no problem with people who gamble without having the best of it, its just not something I enjoy.

[sw2003]

sw2003, I think you are avoiding the fact that digital watches have existed for at least 30 years. I wasn't specifically talking about YOUR watch.

Whether you buy it or not is your business - but I am not in the habit of talking shit. And nothing Cipher has said so far in this thread says anything about "guaranteed win", "money-back guarantee" , or even "winning system".

A calculator is every bit a computer as your PC is. Just not nearly as powerful, nor does it need to be.

Er.............. I was talking specifically about Kenny Uston and his adventures with small computer, not cipher, bethug, Black21jack's betting system.
Please don't drag me into the betting system mess!

Yes but a calculator only does calculations, in general not capable of making other decisions like a computer could etc. I would have no problem if you said he had an advanced calculator in his shoes which is a very different thing from saying he had a palmpilot in his shoes.

[bethug]

bpb, are you up this year? and why do you seem to believe no body doing well? What games to you play, do you flat bet?

[sw2003]

There are any of a hundred plus search engines on the Internet and with your advanced technical capabilities I'm sure you're more than capable of running a search on the name KENNY USTON.

No I have not any advanced tech. capabilities! If you do, please do the search and copy a paste any stories or links here! Thanks!