Nostalgia Cipher Strand

[cipher]

Well now that The Phoenician and Nostalgia casinos have signed on with the Casinomeister let's see what kind of special deal they have in store for the members of Casinomeister. After all Dean, remember that old phrase "Seeing is believing."

I've attached another session of free play from Nostalgia that I just finished.

If anyone has any concerns about the results of their real play session at Nostalgia casino over the next couple of days and you would like to have your real play session converted to a Cipher Strand, just request your log data files from Nostalgia, post them here and I'll convert that data to a Cipher Strand and that way I won't even be accused by Dean of cherry picking sessions to record or manipulating the data.

Hell, to make it interesting, I'll even do three sessions (one session per person) but for the sake of my time keep the sessions to 60 hands or less. Have a good one.

Cheers

[sw2003]

So are we supposed to draw any conclusions from this strand? This particular session doesn't look too bad compared with others from Phoenician that you have posted.

I sort of lost the point of your more recent posts! Whenever you post a strand, does it mean you are of the opinion that particular casino or software isn't quite fair or .... ?

[cipher]

Originally Posted by sw2003

So are we supposed to draw any conclusions from this strand? This particular session doesn't look too bad compared with others from Phoenician that you have posted.

I sort of lost the point of your more recent posts! Whenever you post a strand, does it mean you are of the opinion that particular casino or software isn't quite fair or .... ?

Well if you compare this session of free play to the results that you find in real play there is generally a sigificant difference. Have a good one.

[Casinomeister]

Originally Posted by sw2003

So are we supposed to draw any conclusions from this strand? This particular session doesn't look too bad compared with others from Phoenician that you have posted.

I sort of lost the point of your more recent posts! Whenever you post a strand, does it mean you are of the opinion that particular casino or software isn't quite fair or .... ?

You've lost me as well. I have no idea what these posts are all about. It's like you are incinuating that operators are able to pull switches or sprinkle magic fairy dust on their computers to make the software do certain things. RTG operators have no control over the software. They are merely managing the casinos.

[Sodax77]

Originally Posted by casinomeister

You've lost me as well. I have no idea what these posts are all about. It's like you are incinuating that operators are able to pull switches or sprinkle magic fairy dust on their computers to make the software do certain things. RTG operators have no control over the software. They are merely managing the casinos.

I Agree that.

And i don't play BJ (maybe sometimes, but not regularly), neither collect any log-files, or checking "Cipher Strand's" never, etc

But i still have suggestion. If you are really interesting to proof something, why don't you (all) (who want) create some section to some forum, where people can send their log-files. Make some rules/standards to this log-center. And when you have millions and millions hand, and all log-files is review correctly. Just publish that. If this kind of site/forum-section is exist somewhere, you have to tell people! So they can be part of this (if they want).

[caruso]

I wouldn't make too many assumptions about who can do what with whatever software. There is no evidence to support the claim. RTG operators can 1) adjust number of decks and 2) set the payout on the pure slots; setting the payout on all the remaining "slots" - ie. table games I don't see as being remotely distict. Reels are spun / "cards" are dealt.

Any data posted publically is of great value insofar as anomalies may be brought to light. That they are not on any given session is not a disincentive to publish random data.

Cipher - clarification here: you can run any log files through your programme and get a stats breakdown? I'm not clear yet about the actual purpose of the programme (pure stats? "trends"?), but I'd be delighted to give you my Bodog results for analysis. There are many thousands of hands so it may be beyond your capacity, but I'd be a very worthwhile experiment.

[GrandMaster]

Originally Posted by Sodax77

But i still have suggestion. If you are really interesting to proof something, why don't you (all) (who want) create some section to some forum, where people can send their log-files. Make some rules/standards to this log-center. And when you have millions and millions hand, and all log-files is review correctly. Just publish that. If this kind of site/forum-section is exist somewhere, you have to tell people! So they can be part of this (if they want).

Truegambler's Online Casino Analyzer is trying to do something like this. The problem with Cipher strands is that you have to enter the data by hand, so people could enter fake data or submit genuine data selectively.

[cipher]

Originally Posted by casinomeister

You've lost me as well. I have no idea what these posts are all about. It's like you are incinuating that operators are able to pull switches or sprinkle magic fairy dust on their computers to make the software do certain things. RTG operators have no control over the software. They are merely managing the casinos.

You can choose to believe whatever you want to believe. Whatever that might be, is based only on what someone else has told you. I'd like to know what FACTS you might have to offer in support of a comment such as "They are merely managing the casinos."

What's happening between you and Realtime Gaming now Bryan is nothing different than what you where trying to set up last year by "posting the bail" for the clowns at Hampton and Delano casinos and totally trashing the pirate. It was all about the green then and it's all about the green now.

Now we have the same possibilities of the Crystal Palace coming back into play again. Fortunately a stake has finally be driven through the heart of the heart of Delano Casino or I guess you'd be trying to ressurect them as well.

Lastly Bryan, you havn't got a clue as to who you're dealing with as far as this Phoenician and Nostalgia number is concerned, but everytime you've chosen to get involved with anything RTG you've gotten burned badly.

[cipher]

Originally Posted by caruso

I wouldn't make too many assumptions about who can do what with whatever software. There is no evidence to support the claim. RTG operators can 1) adjust number of decks and 2) set the payout on the pure slots; setting the payout on all the remaining "slots" - ie. table games I don't see as being remotely distict. Reels are spun / "cards" are dealt.

Any data posted publically is of great value insofar as anomalies may be brought to light. That they are not on any given session is not a disincentive to publish random data.

Cipher - clarification here: you can run any log files through your programme and get a stats breakdown? I'm not clear yet about the actual purpose of the programme (pure stats? "trends"?), but I'd be delighted to give you my Bodog results for analysis. There are many thousands of hands so it may be beyond your capacity, but I'd be a very worthwhile experiment.

Hi Caruso, I've emailed you an email address that will handle any size file you want to send incident to the aforementioned BoDog files. Have a good one.

[bpb]

Originally Posted by cipher

You can choose to believe whatever you want to believe. Whatever that might be, is based only on what someone else has told you. I'd like to know what FACTS you might have to offer in support of a comment such as "They are merely managing the casinos."

I'd love to know what FACTS you have to offer in support of the view that no online casino deals a fair table game.

All I see are is the continual posting of statistically insignificant samples of hands.

I have not once seen anyone post a set of logs that suggest that RTG or Microgaming is not giving a fair deal.