BoDog Cipher strand, Constants vs Yield

[cipher]

The attached Cipher strand is a great example of how the casinos use what they refer to as "random number generators" to determine values.

Note how the Dealer "constants" (the large runs of house wins) far exceed the Player "yield" (the runs of green player wins) that only exceed two in a row but once. This is exactly why the player must understand the interaction between the Dealer "constants" and the Player "yield."

Also take note that the player was only successful on double downs on two out of six occasions. But also notice that three of the unsuccessful double downs occured well within the "constants" the red regions. These double downs are what I refer to as "Dummy Double Downs" which are specifically designed to drain the players funds.

Just remember, if you're not in a green zone or on a previously established pattern don't be betting a lot of money as you're probably going to find yourself right in the middle of "Dummy Double Down" or a "Mirage Split."

Have a good one.

 

[umberto]

Hey cipher,

I see that you are always up in the screenshots you post here using your program. Do you play these sessions with real money or with fake money ( for fun ) ?

 

[cipher]

Hey cipher,

I see that you are always up in the screenshots you post here using your program. Do you play these sessions with real money or with fake money ( for fun ) ?

Good to hear from you Umberto;

Once in a whlie I will track a previously unplayed casino in free play and then real play to see if there is any apparent abnormalities between the free and real play modes. But nearly all my play is real play. Have a good one.

 

[bethug]

ciper, do u see a different in fun mode and real mode in rtg casinos
also what do u think about playtec casino

and have u tried casino365?

 

[cipher]

ciper, do u see a different in fun mode and real mode in rtg casinos
also what do u think about playtec casino

and have u tried casino365?

Hi Bethug, thanks for your interest.

About the only time that I've noticed a significant difference between the real and free modes is when the cards are not being dealt at the normally fast pace as they usually are dealt. I generally try to keep away from the slow dealt sessions whether it's real or free play.

As I mentioned earlier this week, I did encounter some very strange play incident to Casino Fortune as well as Miami Beach casino about a year and a half ago. In point of fact I went out of my way to let "Candy" the manager of the Sunny Group as well as the executive offices at Playtech, Inc. know that in my opinion they (Miami Beach and Casino Fortune) were playing games on the backend. I got the standard "BS" email from Candy which included no direct responses to any of a number of very direct questions that were asked of her and there was absolutely no response from Playtech, Inc.

We did resume tracking some of the Playtech casinos at Cipher Lab last week for a total of about 40 sessions, none of which were played at Miami Beach or Casino Fortune. Those sessions looked pretty decent and so far payments have come in as agreed. Have a good one.

 

[jerseyguy11]

very interesting. thanks for posting cipher.

 

[bethug]

thanks for your info

 

[cipher]

thanks for your info

Bethug, you and JerseyGuy are both very welcome.

 

[cynowoo]

Cipher:

Do you have any analysis of Ibetnet , I found it's the harest among those reputable RTGs(phoenician , Nostalgian, Bodog, Shark etc)

 

[snuf419]

Cipher
Exactly how do you know when to raise your bets from $1 to $180 and you are sure you will win that hand?

I am curious. An advantage player like you still not banned by casinos?
With all due respect, why aren't you playing 24/7 and make $$$ but instead you take the bother and 'share' your system here?

 

[jerseyguy11]

i played $400 today with bodog. I really dont see how you can win with them. 3/4 hands i lose consistently if not more.

 

[cipher]

Cipher:

Do you have any analysis of Ibetnet , I found it's the harest among those reputable RTGs(phoenician , Nostalgian, Bodog, Shark etc)

Hi Cynowoo;

It's been awhile since I played at I-Net-Bet but only because of their $5.00 to $200.00 wager window. Its' archaic and I cannot understand why anyone would knowingly limit themselves to a wager window of $5-$200 when there are so many casinos that offer wager windows of $1-$500. It just does not make any sense to me at all. Have a good one.

 

[Black21Jack]

Hi Bethug, thanks for your interest.

About the only time that I've noticed a significant difference between the real and free modes is when the cards are not being dealt at the normally fast pace as they usually are dealt. I generally try to keep away from the slow dealt sessions whether it's real or free play.

Cipher, do you have any guess as to why this may be? I have noticed that as well. Sometimes RTG is very slow and the winning hands are slim to none.

I have also noticed that the RTG software has tightened up again just as I posted a couple months ago. I played and the dealer got an unbelievable amount of 21's against my 20's, 20's againts my 19's etc. There was also a lot of dealer Blackjacks and pushes on BJ. Again I must state this is not scientific and just based on my gameplay. I also had a friend deposit in this casino and the exact same thing happened with him, he lost every hand right down to zero out.

 

[cipher]

Cipher
Exactly how do you know when to raise your bets from $1 to $180 and you are sure you will win that hand?

I am curious. An advantage player like you still not banned by casinos?
With all due respect, why aren't you playing 24/7 and make $$$ but instead you take the bother and 'share' your system here?

Hi Snuf419;

First off, I'm assuming that you're referring to the Bo Dog Cipher strand that I initiated at the start of this thread and specifically at line #25 where a $180 dollar wager was made. Note at line #24 a green block was recorded after a fairly substantial run of red blocks. The accumulated losses carried forward from Line #12 equals $58.00 and rounding off that number we'd have a figure of $60.00.

Anytime that I see something in a Cipher strand that warrants a wager other than a minimum wager I want that wager to be significant enough to make a substantial amount of money. I call it, making bullets and in this specific case I used a treble factor of 3 times the accumulated losses from my previous loss (in excess of minimums) which translates to $180.00 being wagered at line #25. That particular hand generated $720.00 as a result of two splits and double downs. (see attached strand)

Also it is very important to understand that I do not get into shoot outs while the trend is running in red blocks. In effect the rule there "is one and done" until such time as I either see a previously established trend or I record a green block.

CIPHER LAB is fully operational 24/7 and (at times) I almost wish that some
of these casinos would try to ban my play. But rarely does the casino even know that CIPHER is being used in a session as it is normally being employed for a specific client. With such exceptions as the Phoenician or Nostalgia or even Oasis Casino & Sportsbook. But these are very well funded operations that are not at all concerned about paying out withdrawals.

Lastly, the only reason that I have followed the path that I have is because of the fact that a gentlemen by the name of Jerry Patterson chose to share his knowledge and techniques in counting the six and eight deck shoe in land based applications. Had Jerry not shared that information I probably wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now. Have a good one.

 

[snuf419]

The trends of any particular game can be recorded with only a pencil and paper...and everybody can do it. But how do you know for sure that after losing 10 hands in a row and win 1, that the losing streak has indeed ended and the next hand is going to be a winner?

I am still confused of what exactly your software does. Does it tell you, 'hey man, bet big on the next hand!' ?

Thanks for the reply.

 

[cipher]

The trends of any particular game can be recorded with only a pencil and paper...and everybody can do it. But how do you know for sure that after losing 10 hands in a row and win 1, that the losing streak has indeed ended and the next hand is going to be a winner?

I am still confused of what exactly your software does. Does it tell you, 'hey man, bet big on the next hand!' ?

Thanks for the reply.

Hi Snuf419;

I've had more than a few people say they can do the same thing that I do with a pencil and piece of paper. A couple of them have even tried it for a while until they realized that Cipher is able to track and record every action incident to a Blackjack session in realtime and provide that data at the click of a mouse to the player when that data is needed in making critical decisions while playing Blackjack. Have a good one.

 

[snuf419]

Does it tell you, 'hey man, bet big on the next hand!' ?

I have read all your posts regarding Cipher but I find no answer to this questoin. Again, with all due respect, until this mystery is solved... it still appears to me that what you are doing is 'chasing losses', just you are lucky enough almost every single time.

Thank you for your tolerance.


*Also, does an update to a software ever hurt you?

 

[cipher]

Does it tell you, 'hey man, bet big on the next hand!' ?

I have read all your posts regarding Cipher but I find no answer to this questoin. Again, with all due respect, until this mystery is solved... it still appears to me that what you are doing is 'chasing losses', just you are lucky enough almost every single time.

Thank you for your tolerance.

Snuf419; No problem, I only bet in accordance with the trend analysis as it is being recorded in realtime. But when I do make a significant bet I make damn sure that bet is going to make money if it does turn out to be a win, so that I'm using house money instead of my money to ride out the large runs of red.

The casinos would love to have people believe that their random number generators do not show patterns. But I'm here to tell you that they are sadly mistaken. You've just got to be able to see the pattern and act upon it.

Have a good one.

 

[cipher]

Cipher, do you have any guess as to why this may be? I have noticed that as well. Sometimes RTG is very slow and the winning hands are slim to none.

I have also noticed that the RTG software has tightened up again just as I posted a couple months ago. I played and the dealer got an unbelievable amount of 21's against my 20's, 20's againts my 19's etc. There was also a lot of dealer Blackjacks and pushes on BJ. Again I must state this is not scientific and just based on my gameplay. I also had a friend deposit in this casino and the exact same thing happened with him, he lost every hand right down to zero out.

Hi Black21Jack; Ya know the majority of the time this slow play stuff starts up after I've hammered the session for awhile. Almost as if their computer is trying to figure out how I play and tailor the values to that type of play.

I've had a couple of occassions where this slow play stuff jumped up and I made a point of hitting a stiff twenty (with a small wager in play) or something similar and I've had the computer just flat freeze up after that hit.

We need to hook up on a session and really take a look at the numbers. Have a good one.

 

[snuf419]

I noticed a lot of patterns in RTG and I myself have been making some money off them (of course the amounts are shameful compared to yours). Bet sizes, speed of the game, cards dealt (I also reached the same conclusion regarding your seed and dump 'theory'), streaks, even time between hitting the deal button are all related to the outcome of the day.

I don't have any hard evidence but RTG is beatable.

 

[snuf419]

their computer is trying to figure out how I play and tailor the values to that type of play.

I also do silly things to stir up the computer from time to time and I think I have actually benefited, too. But if you think deeply this is unreasonable. If the casino were to 'tailor' the values, that means they can cheat, and if this is true, why don't they just make sure the computer gets BJ when you place your $1000 bet instead of going through all the trouble?

 

[nafanny29]

One thing that ive deduced from all this is that the BJ play is rigged by the casinos and cipher has sort of cracked the code to some extent.

After 3-4 years of playing thousands of hands over various software I would bet my house that most software cheats at some point and if youve sussed it out cipher good luck and hope you win untold riches!!

One exception to this is crockfords/stanley bet which i am certain is not rigged!!

 

[sw2003]

I also do silly things to stir up the computer from time to time and I think I have actually benefited, too. But if you think deeply this is unreasonable. If the casino were to 'tailor' the values, that means they can cheat, and if this is true, why don't they just make sure the computer gets BJ when you place your $1000 bet instead of going through all the trouble?

If they do that, it would be the equivalence of having a big sign on their forehead saying that WE ARE A CHEATING CASINO. That wouldn't be good for business!

 

[sw2003]

Hey Cipher, have you lost when you up your wager by three times like that? Or you win, say, 80 % of the time when you upped your bet significiantly?

 

[snuf419]

If they do that, it would be the equivalence of having a big sign on their forehead saying that WE ARE A CHEATING CASINO. That wouldn't be good for business!

In reality that happens. How many times when you bet your entire balance dealer draw to 21 or just got BJ?
They will do it because they know damn well that a player could never collect enough evidence to prove anything.

 

[cipher]

Hey Cipher, have you lost when you up your wager by three times like that? Or you win, say, 80 % of the time when you upped your bet significiantly?

As long as I stay within the parameters of what the session is in fact yielding I maintain a win factor of about 87%. But I can and will also tell you it is very difficult to not jump all over something that you think is there but that is not showing in the trend analysis chart and I've gotten clocked for it.

Lastly, with some software there is absolutely a correlation between the amount wagered and the likelyhood of winning a higher wagered bet. I've done a ton of work on that theory and I continue to work on that daily.

 

[sw2003]

Your program seems very interesting but does it give out more than that revealed by your screenshots? Please don't take it the wrong way, but so far from what I can see, it is not that different from using some sort of a positive progression. I can get what you show on the screenshots using two different colored pens and recorded the win/lose trends on paper. I observed also from time to time that you took advantage of patterns like win/lose/win/lose, or win/win/lose/win/win ... etc. Why do I need a program to do that other than perhaps the program could do it automatically ?

Perhaps you haven't showed us other analyses that your program produces or ......?

 

[cipher]

Your program seems very interesting but does it give out more than that revealed by your screenshots? Please don't take it the wrong way, but so far from what I can see, it is not that different from using some sort of a positive progression. I can get what you show on the screenshots using two different colored pens and recorded the win/lose trends on paper. I observed also from time to time that you took advantage of patterns like win/lose/win/lose, or win/win/lose/win/win ... etc. Why do I need a program to do that other than perhaps the program could do it automatically ?

Perhaps you haven't showed us other analyses that your program produces or ......?

You are right SW2003 there is a lot of the backend that I have not shown screen shots of. And you're also correct that I will at times take advantage of previously exhibited patterns such as the switchbacks as well as triggers that you mentioned. Have a good one.

 

[jerseyguy11]

One thing that ive deduced from all this is that the BJ play is rigged by the casinos and cipher has sort of cracked the code to some extent.

After 3-4 years of playing thousands of hands over various software I would bet my house that most software cheats at some point and if youve sussed it out cipher good luck and hope you win untold riches!!

One exception to this is crockfords/stanley bet which i am certain is not rigged!!

online gambling is like the wild wild west in some cases. no rules, no laws just pure greed. There are some exceptions. Fortune lounge is one group i have a profit of nearly $15000 on just bJ this year. They seem decent. Casino rewards (zodiac, blackjack ballroom) im not so sure about as I wrote in another post. i too played thousands if not hundreds of thousands of hands of bj. I too believe that a lot of software is set up to a certain degree. You just get a feeling for it after a while. Mostly, it feels like it depends a lot on the size of the bet, ESPECIALLY with RTG, playtech and places like BODOG. If you look at ciphers records, the red outnumbers the green by a TON. 49% odds in your favor does not produce such losses.

Sure, MG, RTG or playtech makes the software. These casinos have millions upon millions of dollars. Dont you think it would be easy for them to hire a few smart programmers to design a "switch" or profit "limit" if the casino wants one? Could it be possible that MG, RTG or other software companys are just unaware any tampering that a casino could do?

draw your own conclusions, and most of this is just pure speculation, but I wouldn't put it past some of these casinos to do. There are a lot more Casino Bar/Casino on Air cases out there that nobody has discovered yet.

 

[Black21Jack]

Sure, MG, RTG or playtech makes the software. These casinos have millions upon millions of dollars. Dont you think it would be easy for them to hire a few smart programmers to design a "switch" or profit "limit" if the casino wants one? Could it be possible that MG, RTG or other software companys are just unaware any tampering that a casino could do?

I'm pretty sure that RTG has control over the software because when one RTG casino is being updated, they are all being updated which would lead me to believe that they are all conected through RTG servers in some way but I am not a computer expert (far from it) and I am just guessing here. Others who are more experienced with servers and how this works may be able to explain better.

 

[sw2003]

If you look at ciphers records, the red outnumbers the green by a TON. 49% odds in your favor does not produce such losses.

Sure, MG, RTG or playtech makes the software. These casinos have millions upon millions of dollars. Dont you think it would be easy for them to hire a few smart programmers to design a "switch" or profit "limit" if the casino wants one? Could it be possible that MG, RTG or other software companys are just unaware any tampering that a casino could do?

Cipher records showed a very limited number of hands, yes I agree that they showed more red than green but there aren't that many hands on the screenshots for one to draw any conclusion.

If the words got out that MG or RTG or PlayTech software had a switch in their BJ games, imagine how many customers they are going to lose. Let's assume that the software does have a switch for argument sake, how are they going to prevent that secret from leaking out with so many casino people out there? Only owners are ever going to see the software control page or the software can only be controled at the softwares' headquarter and not at the casinos? How?

 

[jerseyguy11]

Cipher records showed a very limited number of hands, yes I agree that they showed more red than green but there aren't that many hands on the screenshots for one to draw any conclusion.

If the words got out that MG or RTG or PlayTech software had a switch in their BJ games, imagine how many customers they are going to lose. Let's assume that the software does have a switch for argument sake, how are they going to prevent that secret from leaking out with so many casino people out there? Only owners are ever going to see the software control page or the software can only be controled at the softwares' headquarter and not at the casinos? How?

well, yes i know ciphers showed limited play, however I played at bo dog 3 times now and each time my results have been about 30% win and 70% loss if i remember right. Im too record screenshots, but I'm going to start doing so soon. To give bodog credit, I did win $1500 one night, primarily due to 3 $400 bets, so you can win. But i just get a bad feeling playing there (btw i play their no download). Ciphers records show 35 losses and 22 wins. That is pretty consistent with my play. I usually lose 70% and win 30% of my hands. Dealer just has too many blackjacks and doesnt seem to bust as much as it should (like in MG games).

as far as your comment on the "switch"... I was just speculating that a casino owner could hire a few programmers to "install" or manipulate the software to a certain degree, after the software was liscensed to the casino. As far as the leaking argument, i guess it would depend on the amount of internal control a casino has. Maybe only a certain department or certain level has access to the "switch". For example, 10 minutes after I deposited $1000 in one of my casinos, I was contacted immediately to confirm these deposits (for fear of fraud on the casinos end obviously). So your account is always being monitered. Maybe some casinos monitor your play and if you seem like your winning too much, they flip the "switch".

once again, all this is speculation and nobody really knows except the owners.
sooner or later we will be playing blackjack from ceasars las vegas (via web) when our politicians wake up. In the meantime, play at well known groups as I keep saying. Its your best shot for a fair game, thats my advice.

 

[jerseyguy11]

that should read... Im too lazy to record screenshots* haha. its late im tired

 

[cynowoo]

HI,cipher:

you can request the IBETNET to adjust the minimum table limit to $1

they likely do it for you

Hi Cynowoo;

It's been awhile since I played at I-Net-Bet but only because of their $5.00 to $200.00 wager window. Its' archaic and I cannot understand why anyone would knowingly limit themselves to a wager window of $5-$200 when there are so many casinos that offer wager windows of $1-$500. It just does not make any sense to me at all. Have a good one.

 

[cynowoo]

you win 3 hand of $400 ,that's pretty good

What I am afrad of a casino is that constantly eat "big" pass "small"

Under that casino , it's nightmare.

well, yes i know ciphers showed limited play, however I played at bo dog 3 times now and each time my results have been about 30% win and 70% loss if i remember right. Im too record screenshots, but I'm going to start doing so soon. To give bodog credit, I did win $1500 one night, primarily due to 3 $400 bets, so you can win. But i just get a bad feeling playing there (btw i play their no download). Ciphers records show 35 losses and 22 wins. That is pretty consistent with my play. I usually lose 70% and win 30% of my hands. Dealer just has too many blackjacks and doesnt seem to bust as much as it should (like in MG games).

as far as your comment on the "switch"... I was just speculating that a casino owner could hire a few programmers to "install" or manipulate the software to a certain degree, after the software was liscensed to the casino. As far as the leaking argument, i guess it would depend on the amount of internal control a casino has. Maybe only a certain department or certain level has access to the "switch". For example, 10 minutes after I deposited $1000 in one of my casinos, I was contacted immediately to confirm these deposits (for fear of fraud on the casinos end obviously). So your account is always being monitered. Maybe some casinos monitor your play and if you seem like your winning too much, they flip the "switch".

once again, all this is speculation and nobody really knows except the owners.
sooner or later we will be playing blackjack from ceasars las vegas (via web) when our politicians wake up. In the meantime, play at well known groups as I keep saying. Its your best shot for a fair game, thats my advice.

 

[Black21Jack]

HI,cipher:

you can request the IBETNET to adjust the minimum table limit to $1

they likely do it for you

I have requested this at iNet and they will not do it. I think they might if you are a high roller and giving them a large amount of money every month.

 

[cipher]

I have requested this at iNet and they will not do it. I think they might if you are a high roller and giving them a large amount of money every month.

You are right Black21Jack, I think it was Emily Hanson who mentioned that I-Net-Bet does not alter their wager window no matter how much money a person runs through there.

 

[sw2003]

You are right Black21Jack, I think it was Emily Hanson who mentioned that I-Net-Bet does not alter their wager window no matter how much money a person runs through there.

There are other casinos to play if INetBet does not give a damn about their customers' wishes!

 

[emily_hanson]

There are other casinos to play if INetBet does not give a damn about their customers' wishes!

sw2003

Firstly let me assure you and all the readers at Casinomeister that at iNetBet we value our customers wishes above all else, hence the reputation we have enjoyed.

We, wherever possible, continually make allowances and exceptions to accommodate our players.

Black21Jack

I am sorry but if we have refused to reduce your minimum to $1 it must have been a misunderstanding, as that option is and always has been available to all our players, please send me a mail at your convenience to [email protected] and I will attend to it personally for you.

Best regards to all.

Emily Hanson

 

[cipher]

sw2003

Firstly let me assure you and all the readers at Casinomeister that at iNetBet we value our customers wishes above all else, hence the reputation we have enjoyed.

We, wherever possible, continually make allowances and exceptions to accommodate our players.

Black21Jack

I am sorry but if we have refused to reduce your minimum to $1 it must have been a misunderstanding, as that option is and always has been available to all our players, please send me a mail at your convenience to [email protected] and I will attend to it personally for you.

Best regards to all.

Emily Hanson

Then I assume Emily, that you're willing to increase the wager window as well. In other words can a player choose a wager window of say $1.00 to $1,000.00? Have a good one.

 

[Black21Jack]

I sent an email asking to have the min bet lowered and the max bet changed to $500.00 I was sent an email explaining that it could not be done simply by requesting it, which I took as meaning that it could be done if I was a major bettor. I just have to ask one question, if you are willing to change it why not just have it set to the standard like most other RTG's $1.00 - $500.00?

 

[emily_hanson]

cipher

My apologies if my reply was not clearly explained, I was answerering the post made by Black21jack, directly in response to his refused request to lower the minimum wager to $1.

This choice is available, as per our website:

Old / Expired Link

However allowing a player to set their own upper limits is not an option.

Regards
Emily Hanson

 

[bethug]

to me inetbet casino is the best overall. 1 to 1000 is a sure way for a casino to go under

 

[cipher]

cipher

My apologies if my reply was not clearly explained, I was answerering the post made by Black21jack, directly in response to his refused request to lower the minimum wager to $1.

This choice is available, as per our website:

Old / Expired Link

However allowing a player to set their own upper limits is not an option.

Regards
Emily Hanson

Hi Emily; it appears as though I was a little off-base with my understanding of what I thought I had read. I've attached a copy of the text from an earlier post by Black21jack so as to avoid in further confusion in that regard.

"Many thanks for your mail.

I am afraid that we are unable to simply increase the table limits on tables.

We can lower the table limits as per the wager less option on our website.

I believe the only time that wagering limits may be raised is if a player is a VIP client due to previous play in the casino.

I hope that this information is of some assistance.

Kind Regards

iNetBet Support"

Sorry for any confusion I may have added in this regard. Have a good one.