BoDog Cipher strand, Constants vs Yield

[snuf419]

their computer is trying to figure out how I play and tailor the values to that type of play.

I also do silly things to stir up the computer from time to time and I think I have actually benefited, too. But if you think deeply this is unreasonable. If the casino were to 'tailor' the values, that means they can cheat, and if this is true, why don't they just make sure the computer gets BJ when you place your $1000 bet instead of going through all the trouble?

[nafanny29]

One thing that ive deduced from all this is that the BJ play is rigged by the casinos and cipher has sort of cracked the code to some extent.

After 3-4 years of playing thousands of hands over various software I would bet my house that most software cheats at some point and if youve sussed it out cipher good luck and hope you win untold riches!!

One exception to this is crockfords/stanley bet which i am certain is not rigged!!

[sw2003]

I also do silly things to stir up the computer from time to time and I think I have actually benefited, too. But if you think deeply this is unreasonable. If the casino were to 'tailor' the values, that means they can cheat, and if this is true, why don't they just make sure the computer gets BJ when you place your $1000 bet instead of going through all the trouble?

If they do that, it would be the equivalence of having a big sign on their forehead saying that WE ARE A CHEATING CASINO. That wouldn't be good for business!

[sw2003]

Hey Cipher, have you lost when you up your wager by three times like that? Or you win, say, 80 % of the time when you upped your bet significiantly?

[snuf419]

If they do that, it would be the equivalence of having a big sign on their forehead saying that WE ARE A CHEATING CASINO. That wouldn't be good for business!

In reality that happens. How many times when you bet your entire balance dealer draw to 21 or just got BJ?
They will do it because they know damn well that a player could never collect enough evidence to prove anything.

[cipher]

Hey Cipher, have you lost when you up your wager by three times like that? Or you win, say, 80 % of the time when you upped your bet significiantly?

As long as I stay within the parameters of what the session is in fact yielding I maintain a win factor of about 87%. But I can and will also tell you it is very difficult to not jump all over something that you think is there but that is not showing in the trend analysis chart and I've gotten clocked for it.

Lastly, with some software there is absolutely a correlation between the amount wagered and the likelyhood of winning a higher wagered bet. I've done a ton of work on that theory and I continue to work on that daily.

[sw2003]

Your program seems very interesting but does it give out more than that revealed by your screenshots? Please don't take it the wrong way, but so far from what I can see, it is not that different from using some sort of a positive progression. I can get what you show on the screenshots using two different colored pens and recorded the win/lose trends on paper. I observed also from time to time that you took advantage of patterns like win/lose/win/lose, or win/win/lose/win/win ... etc. Why do I need a program to do that other than perhaps the program could do it automatically ?

Perhaps you haven't showed us other analyses that your program produces or ......?

[cipher]

Your program seems very interesting but does it give out more than that revealed by your screenshots? Please don't take it the wrong way, but so far from what I can see, it is not that different from using some sort of a positive progression. I can get what you show on the screenshots using two different colored pens and recorded the win/lose trends on paper. I observed also from time to time that you took advantage of patterns like win/lose/win/lose, or win/win/lose/win/win ... etc. Why do I need a program to do that other than perhaps the program could do it automatically ?

Perhaps you haven't showed us other analyses that your program produces or ......?

You are right SW2003 there is a lot of the backend that I have not shown screen shots of. And you're also correct that I will at times take advantage of previously exhibited patterns such as the switchbacks as well as triggers that you mentioned. Have a good one.

[jerseyguy11]

One thing that ive deduced from all this is that the BJ play is rigged by the casinos and cipher has sort of cracked the code to some extent.

After 3-4 years of playing thousands of hands over various software I would bet my house that most software cheats at some point and if youve sussed it out cipher good luck and hope you win untold riches!!

One exception to this is crockfords/stanley bet which i am certain is not rigged!!

online gambling is like the wild wild west in some cases. no rules, no laws just pure greed. There are some exceptions. Fortune lounge is one group i have a profit of nearly $15000 on just bJ this year. They seem decent. Casino rewards (zodiac, blackjack ballroom) im not so sure about as I wrote in another post. i too played thousands if not hundreds of thousands of hands of bj. I too believe that a lot of software is set up to a certain degree. You just get a feeling for it after a while. Mostly, it feels like it depends a lot on the size of the bet, ESPECIALLY with RTG, playtech and places like BODOG. If you look at ciphers records, the red outnumbers the green by a TON. 49% odds in your favor does not produce such losses.

Sure, MG, RTG or playtech makes the software. These casinos have millions upon millions of dollars. Dont you think it would be easy for them to hire a few smart programmers to design a "switch" or profit "limit" if the casino wants one? Could it be possible that MG, RTG or other software companys are just unaware any tampering that a casino could do?

draw your own conclusions, and most of this is just pure speculation, but I wouldn't put it past some of these casinos to do. There are a lot more Casino Bar/Casino on Air cases out there that nobody has discovered yet.

[Black21Jack]

Sure, MG, RTG or playtech makes the software. These casinos have millions upon millions of dollars. Dont you think it would be easy for them to hire a few smart programmers to design a "switch" or profit "limit" if the casino wants one? Could it be possible that MG, RTG or other software companys are just unaware any tampering that a casino could do?

I'm pretty sure that RTG has control over the software because when one RTG casino is being updated, they are all being updated which would lead me to believe that they are all conected through RTG servers in some way but I am not a computer expert (far from it) and I am just guessing here. Others who are more experienced with servers and how this works may be able to explain better.