Example of "seeding" and "dumping"

[cipher]

Attached is a Cipher strand from a RTG casino played this morning.

This is a perfect example of the “dumping” and “seeding” of lesser valued cards to create a maximum advantage for the house. Believe me there is nothing random about this and it is not something only happens with RTG.

First off, a five card 17 for the house @ line 17 triggers an appreciable run of player losses from lines 20 thru 26.

Secondly, a 6 card 22 @ line 37 for the house triggers a run of 2, trigger, 2, trigger, 2 @ lines 38 through 49.

Third, a 6 card 19 @ line 46 carries forward to a mega run for the house from lines 52 through and inclusive of line 73.

Have a good one.

[Sorcerak]

How can you make any kind of statistical evidence over such a small amount of hands? Just curious.

[cipher]

How can you make any kind of statistical evidence over such a small amount of hands? Just curious.

Hi Sorcerak,

I really don't consider the Cipher strands as being statistical evidence.

In this day and age it makes a lot more sense for me to get the hell out of a session that is not looking right (through utilizing Cipher) than it does for me to file a law suit.

Basically the compilation of the Cipher strands in realtime assist me in figuring out a session of blackjack as it is being played. Trust me, each and every session of Blackjack is unique and Cipher is only the tool that I use to figure out each session.

Thanks for your interest. Have a good one.

[largeeyes]

Do people who use cipher dress in black suits and wear sunglasses?

[fortyoz]

I've felt cheated a few times online, but sometimes in land casinos these things happen, and I know they aren't rigged, sometimes i'll win every single hand in the shoe ( 10 in a row often ), upping my bet as I go, other days I can barely win a single hand, across multiple sessions.. the game is just like that. Of course online you never know what they could be up to.

Btw, does your tool collect the data automagically or do you enter it by hand as you go?

[rilski]

Hi Cipher, I've been reading your posts and screenshots from your program for a while and find them quite interesting and helpful...so thank you. I was wondering though, could you reattach the above screen shots? When I look at them the numbers are too blurry to read for some reason, they seem of a lower quality than your usual ciper strands. Thank you.

[Vesuvio]

Cipher,

I've often thought that if you could work out how the peculiarly un-random rngs of the on-line casinos work you could make a lot of money. Obviously if you've done so you're not going to want to share it with the world, but could you explain what you mean by seeding and dumping of low value cards, for instance.

As I understand it:

1) The casinos claim the rng generates random cards each hand, so there shouldn't really be any relation between the cards that have been dealt and the following cards (unless you're playing multi-hand bj). This means there should be fewer long winning/losing sequences on-line - something we all know not to be the case...

2) If there is a relation wouldn't a lot of low-value cards appearing then favour the player in the following hands? From my very basic understanding of card counting I thought the more face cards and fewer low cards around the better the chances for the player.

Anyway, keep up the good work and try and win enough to scare the casinos into playing fairly!

[fortyoz]

Other way around, more tens/aces favor player.

[Vesuvio]

Other way around, more tens/aces favor player.

That's what I wrote, I think. I was assuming if a lot of low cards appear in one hand then after that there might be more high cards, but perhaps the seeding/dumping was just that there continued to be a huge of run of low cards. I couldn't really view the screen shot properly.

[cipher]

That's what I wrote, I think. I was assuming if a lot of low cards appear in one hand then after that there might be more high cards, but perhaps the seeding/dumping was just that there continued to be a huge of run of low cards. I couldn't really view the screen shot properly.

I apologize for the poor quality of the last posting that I made. I will re-post that data again this morning. But it will probably be in a couple of hours or so. Have a good one.