Reverse Engineering /Creating Custom Client/Exploiting Weakness And Unseen Bet Levels

[takethemoney]

First of all, I am not going to name a software, nor am I going to name any particular casino. I have been studying a possibility for some time. The only thing I am going to advise, with absolute urgency, is that anyone who keeps software from a known rogue casino group, immediately uninstall such software, ASAP! It is understood that some of us, myself included, have kept some known rogue casino softwares installed for the purposes of playing for fun. I completely understand. However, these rogues might be affecting the play of your "good casinos". Some of these clients have been registering incorrect bets and incorrect outcomes, but are not revealed in the front end of play, but the results fall far short of the expected outcome, by miles, in the end.

A friend, who is a software engineer helped me with this study. What he helped me find is that rogue casinos produce a unique client that appears to be proper, but that it makes different bets than the actual intended bet and provides what appears to be a true outcome, but in the end outstrips the real result. How it does this is by producing a blank spin to the eye of the user, when the real symbol displayed may have been a small win. He also showed me some back end stuff most of us never see in our computers, like what is running in the background when we play. At a point he demonstrated that there were multiple casino kernels running in the background, even though we only had one casino running. Others that were running were manipulating the outcomes of the legitimate casino, acting as though they were their own client. In other words, this is an infection, designed to sabotage the results you may get from a good casino.

Bottom line here, is get rid of any casino that you would not trust enough to deposit real money in. When it comes to software, anything can happen and to believe it does not is just naive'.

For obvious reasons, I will not be answering any requests for further detailed information. Please do not PM me, as I am not at liberty to say anything to anyone.

[LaHutti]

Interesting ...would be tenfold if we knew who we're talking about tho
Your post, interesting as it is, has very little value, as I'm sure others will tell you too, without any indication of who, what, where and how, but I guess that would force you to back your claims up....which I think you should do, if you're not just talking nonsense, and hallucinating.
What makes you think, that this only applies to rogue casinos, and not the so called "good casinos" using the same software.....have you "checked" any of the "good casinos" in the same way ?
It's some pretty harsh accusations........

[PaaskeDKnowUK]

I do not get any of this. but decided to say thank you, As it made me aware I need to get to bed now!!!
04.41 in UK what am I doing hehe....oh yes got holiday night night all

[takethemoney]

Interesting ...would be tenfold if we knew who we're talking about tho
Your post, interesting as it is, has very little value, as I'm sure others will tell you too, without any indication of who, what, where and how, but I guess that would force you to back your claims up....which I think you should do, if you're not just talking nonsense, and hallucinating.
What makes you think, that this only applies to rogue casinos, and not the so called "good casinos" using the same software.....have you "checked" any of the "good casinos" in the same way ?
It's some pretty harsh accusations........

Yes.
They do not have this issue. Please understand what I am trying to tell everyone. Uninstall the known rogues. At some later point this information may be published in more detail, but I certainly don't feel that telling you guys about this is going to hurt you more than letting you believe that keeping these "rodents" on your computer is ok. Get my drift?
There are casinos out there that have never paid a jackpot and those levels that they are up to have been questioned. We found those casinos kernel making the decision of the legitimate casino, even though the legitimate casino was the only one in play at the time.

When the hard drive was reformatted and only one or two casinos were reinstalled the game play became dramatically different.

[Nifty29]

Yes.
They do not have this issue. Please understand what I am trying to tell everyone. Uninstall the known rogues. At some later point this information may be published in more detail, but I certainly don't feel that telling you guys about this is going to hurt you more than letting you believe that keeping these "rodents" on your computer is ok. Get my drift?
There are casinos out there that have never paid a jackpot and those levels that they are up to have been questioned. We found those casinos kernel making the decision of the legitimate casino, even though the legitimate casino was the only one in play at the time.

When the hard drive was reformatted and only one or two casinos were reinstalled the game play became dramatically different.

What's the point of posting all of this unsubstantiated uncorroborated conjecture if you aren't going to name the software?

You're obviously happy to see other members get "cheated" in the meantime?

If I had a penny for every time someone said they knew "a guy" who could "prove" that online casinos "cheat", but they can't reveal what software it is, what the issue is, or who "the guy" is for some reason which isn't really apparent, I would be a rich man.

Your gameplay became "dramatically different" after a reformat? So where are the game logs from beforehand and after? Or is it just a feeling? How do you know you wouldn't have had the same experience if you hadn't reformatted? Did you reinstall the rogue casinos and test your gameplay again?

Unless you have at least medium-term game logs there is no way you can state if your gameplay is better, and even if you did it doesn't prove that better results, if they exist, areva result of removing the offending software.

You need to s*it or get off the pot. Reveal what you have, at least to Bryan and Max, or stop misleading members with "my friend said" conspiracy theories about casinos you can't name ( ) and stick to the facts......or, since you haven't presented any, wait until you have some.

I call BS based on what I've read so far.

[takethemoney]

What's the point of posting all of this unsubstantiated uncorroborated conjecture if you aren't going to name the software?

You're obviously happy to see other members get "cheated" in the meantime?

If I had a penny for every time someone said they knew "a guy" who could "prove" that online casinos "cheat", but they can't reveal what software it is, what the issue is, or who "the guy" is for some reason which isn't really apparent, I would be a rich man.

Your gameplay became "dramatically different" after a reformat? So where are the game logs from beforehand and after? Or is it just a feeling? How do you know you wouldn't have had the same experience if you hadn't reformatted? Did you reinstall the rogue casinos and test your gameplay again?

Unless you have at least medium-term game logs there is no way you can state if your gameplay is better, and even if you did it doesn't prove that better results, if they exist, areva result of removing the offending software.

You need to s*it or get off the pot. Reveal what you have, at least to Bryan and Max, or stop misleading members with "my friend said" conspiracy theories about casinos you can't name ( ) and stick to the facts......or, since you haven't presented any, wait until you have some.

I call BS based on what I've read so far.

Dude, time to get off your high horse. I think you can understand why I can't reveal my exact information or its sources. We are talking about rogue casinos here, not honorable ones. In time I may reveal all of it, but right now I can't. There are casinos that have access to the source code and have exploited it. For my personal safety I will not spill what I know. In the meantime, you can trust all casino software to be fair. That's fair, right?

[Seventh777]

So, you have a friend who is a software boffin, he has discovered (from your lead) that rogue casinos whom have access to source codes, and you cannot name, have created a way to cheat people using ways you cannot completely reveal, (showing screenshots without revealing names etc, would substantiate your findings here, a lot) alrighty.

This is spooky as I have a journalist friend who works for one of the MSM channels, who has followed up a lead I gave him regarding a huge celebrity who has been involved in sexual acts with a horse, we managed to film this although we cannot reveal who, or the particular sexual acts they were involved in, I can reveal however that the horse in question finished 27th once in the Grand National, and the woman in question is a female.

Tru story dat, honest.

[takethemoney]

Done here. I tried.

[LaHutti]

Yes.
They do not have this issue. Please understand what I am trying to tell everyone. Uninstall the known rogues. At some later point this information may be published in more detail, but I certainly don't feel that telling you guys about this is going to hurt you more than letting you believe that keeping these "rodents" on your computer is ok. Get my drift?
There are casinos out there that have never paid a jackpot and those levels that they are up to have been questioned. We found those casinos kernel making the decision of the legitimate casino, even though the legitimate casino was the only one in play at the time.

When the hard drive was reformatted and only one or two casinos were reinstalled the game play became dramatically different.

Ok ... now, I have a strong feeling I know what software you're talking about....have you contacted ..... insert software provider in question here....with this info, that you have ?
I would think that would be the least one could/should do, if one has solid proof of what you're telling us.

Edit: Just saw your latest post. Personally I would see no reason to keep software from a casino I don't trust, on my computer, and frankly I don't understand why anyone would, whether I thought they managed to fiddle with it or not. So in that regard, I see nothing wrong with your suggestion to remove them. There are plenty of other, trusted, casinos that offer "fun play".
I have a slight problem with you claiming to have proof of these things, and not want to do anythiing about it tho. As Nifty (I think) said ... you could contact Bryan with your information, and I'm pretty sure it could be kept confident....but ofcourse that's your call.

[funeral979]

I have to assume you are talking about RTG judging by your history here. Also, I know you believed at one point that there was a single RTP that was applied to you across all RTG casinos....do you still believe this to be true? Do your findings solidify this theory?

You lost me with the unseen bet levels???

Are you saying you have placed wagers and the amount deducted from your balance is more than what you wagered (at the "good" casinos). You have actually seen this on your accounts?

I usually have an open mind to conspiracy theories and such...but this seems a bit far fetched to me.

This immediately brought to mind 4OAK's sweeping theories about RTGs backend......and their concern for "personal safety"