Reverse Engineering /Creating Custom Client/Exploiting Weakness And Unseen Bet Levels

[funeral979]

I can always tell when a MG casino left something running in the background because it makes RTG run better!

Funny that you mention that. When I used to be able to play Microgaming, I ALWAYS left one of their casinos running in the background when playing RTG, because RTG slots would run so much better that way

[Tirilej]

You don't need to have a casino running in the background. It's actually enough to have Casinomeister open.
I did that before, then I got me a new computer and don't need it anymore

[Nifty29]

I still think it is incredible that the OP drops this huge "bombshell" and then is off like a bride's panties as soon as questions are asked. I actually think that's pretty poor form.

It still confuzzles me why the technical details can't be revealed without naming the parties involved...?? Just doesn't make sense. Why can't the mysterious "software engineer' post here and answer questions anonymously?

Something else that makes no sense is why, if the OP is so concerned for his safety etc, he didn't just send it to Bryan and Co for them to look at and get advice on, and subsequently post their findings for the membership. No one would even know where the initial information originated so it would be 100% safe.

The fact that the OP decided to post here and make accusations of cheating by a secret operator, in a secret fashion, and confirmed by a secret person, speaks volumes about the OPs motives. From where I'm standing, it just appears to be a "I've been losing lately and I've discovered its not my fault for risking my money on games with a house edge but rather the software is cheating" rant which is just par for the course on gambling forums.....this one is just a bit more original.

If someone posts some factual evidence of cheating software/casinos I'm all ears.....the amigotech cheating games issue recently is a good example of people providing real facts and expert analysis to prove their accusations, and I.didn't see anyone doubting the data nor the conclusions.

I'll be all ears if the OP decides to engage us in the discussion, but it seems like he ran for the hills the first chance he got. Makes it very tough to afford him any credibility at all.

[Seventh777]

There was an actual case where a casino group placed malware in it's client that crippled access to their competitors so that players would stick with them. They got busted and thrown into the pit.

G-Fed iirc.

[takethemoney]

The biggest question asked by all, including myself, is why? The only answer I can think of is that people who do this sort of thing do it for bragging rights, much as hackers do. Some people are just malicious and get their entertainment doing bad deeds. The only thing that has been proven on my end is that whatever was done effects the play in such a way as to make reels drag, jerky, throws timing off and makes the games a pain in the butt to play. Any losses due to this are not substantiated and just suspicion, trusting that the servers on the good casinos are doing their math properly. With these casinos cleaned out and fresh install of software, these issues were eliminated. This thread had nothing to do with winning or losing, but just pointing out what had been found. Nobody has anything to worry about if you're playing good casinos, at least in this regard.

What bothers me is that people are capable of launching custom clients and there might be some potential to do damage. I'll tell you exactly why I had rogues installed. I enjoy the challenge of taking the endless free chips they hand out and trying to see how high I can get the balance, without risking my own money,knowing I would never cash out there. I save the good casinos for my real play.

[Nifty29]

The biggest question asked by all, including myself, is why? The only answer I can think of is that people who do this sort of thing do it for bragging rights, much as hackers do. Some people are just malicious and get their entertainment doing bad deeds. The only thing that has been proven on my end is that whatever was done effects the play in such a way as to make reels drag, jerky, throws timing off and makes the games a pain in the butt to play. Any losses due to this are not substantiated and just suspicion, trusting that the servers on the good casinos are doing their math properly. With these casinos cleaned out and fresh install of software, these issues were eliminated. This thread had nothing to do with winning or losing, but just pointing out what had been found. Nobody has anything to worry about if you're playing good casinos, at least in this regard.

What bothers me is that people are capable of launching custom clients and there might be some potential to do damage. I'll tell you exactly why I had rogues installed. I enjoy the challenge of taking the endless free chips they hand out and trying to see how high I can get the balance, without risking my own money,knowing I would never cash out there. I save the good casinos for my real play.

Are you serious?

What you just said then was completely different to what you said originally.

You now say it "just makes the games play better" and has "nothing to do with winning or losing"....when you first said:

However, these rogues might be affecting the play of your "good casinos". Some of these clients have been registering incorrect bets and incorrect outcomes, but are not revealed in the front end of play, but the results fall far short of the expected outcome, by miles, in the end.

rogue casinos produce a unique client that appears to be proper, but that it makes different bets than the actual intended bet and provides what appears to be a true outcome, but in the end outstrips the real result.

At a point he demonstrated that there were multiple casino kernels running in the background, even though we only had one casino running. Others that were running were manipulating the outcomes of the legitimate casino, acting as though they were their own client. In other words, this is an infection, designed to sabotage the results you may get from a good casino.

So, in other words, you made all these wild accusations, all backed up by your own Bill Gates, that these operators were cheating and affecting your results in other casinos, and then, when just about everyone called BS, you changed your tune to "it makes the games runs smoother". Everyone knows that uninstalling things you don't need improves performance.

Oh, and how about:

"When the hard drive was reformatted and only one or two casinos were reinstalled the game play became dramatically different."

Deliberately vague as "gameplay" can mean results or how well the slot spins...but I suspect you knew that.

So the moral of the story is that if you want the casinos where you play for real to run smoother, remove the ones you only play for fun.

Just like other "amazing cheating bombshells" we've seen around the place, it turns out to be a huge exaggeration of suspicions being presented as facts.

What a complete waste of a thread and everyone's time.

[vinylweatherman]

The biggest question asked by all, including myself, is why? The only answer I can think of is that people who do this sort of thing do it for bragging rights, much as hackers do. Some people are just malicious and get their entertainment doing bad deeds. The only thing that has been proven on my end is that whatever was done effects the play in such a way as to make reels drag, jerky, throws timing off and makes the games a pain in the butt to play. Any losses due to this are not substantiated and just suspicion, trusting that the servers on the good casinos are doing their math properly. With these casinos cleaned out and fresh install of software, these issues were eliminated. This thread had nothing to do with winning or losing, but just pointing out what had been found. Nobody has anything to worry about if you're playing good casinos, at least in this regard.

What bothers me is that people are capable of launching custom clients and there might be some potential to do damage. I'll tell you exactly why I had rogues installed. I enjoy the challenge of taking the endless free chips they hand out and trying to see how high I can get the balance, without risking my own money,knowing I would never cash out there. I save the good casinos for my real play.

This is not a bombshell, merely a description of what many have experienced, buggy casino software that can screw up your OS even after it has been exited. Microgaming is good at this, and there is plenty of evidence that RTG have a persistent bug in their client that makes it incredibly slow, but can be fixed by launching almost any other software in the background, such as a browser. Enzo explained what RTG had done, or rather had NOT done, which was to set a Windows variable to the correct value itself, but instead assume that everybody's PC had had this variable set correctly by something else. IE sets this variable correctly, which is why an RTG casino starts working properly when IE is launched in the background. If your PC has this variable set anyway, you don't suffer from poor RTG performance.

MGS update the client several times a month, but the process fails to clean up after itself, thus corruption grows in the fileset, leading to a steady deterioration in performance. This can be cured by a full uninstall and clear out of all traces of MGS, and starting from scratch. The MGS client itself takes a HUGE chunk of RAM, increasing every time a new feature is added. This leaves less for other processes, and can cause some PC configurations to struggle, or even fail altogether. I find that during the update, a single MGS client can hog close to 100% of available processor capacity over a prolonged period, and seems to load very slowly, and the games are close to unplayable. A budget machine doesn't stand a chance, and even my main PC tends to struggle, whereas when I bought it I could run FOUR simultaneous MGS casinos with little or no sign of it struggling. Now it shows signs of distress running ONE.

[funeral979]

This is not a bombshell, merely a description of what many have experienced, buggy casino software that can screw up your OS even after it has been exited. Microgaming is good at this, and there is plenty of evidence that RTG have a persistent bug in their client that makes it incredibly slow, but can be fixed by launching almost any other software in the background, such as a browser. Enzo explained what RTG had done, or rather had NOT done, which was to set a Windows variable to the correct value itself, but instead assume that everybody's PC had had this variable set correctly by something else. IE sets this variable correctly, which is why an RTG casino starts working properly when IE is launched in the background. If your PC has this variable set anyway, you don't suffer from poor RTG performance.

MGS update the client several times a month, but the process fails to clean up after itself, thus corruption grows in the fileset, leading to a steady deterioration in performance. This can be cured by a full uninstall and clear out of all traces of MGS, and starting from scratch. The MGS client itself takes a HUGE chunk of RAM, increasing every time a new feature is added. This leaves less for other processes, and can cause some PC configurations to struggle, or even fail altogether. I find that during the update, a single MGS client can hog close to 100% of available processor capacity over a prolonged period, and seems to load very slowly, and the games are close to unplayable. A budget machine doesn't stand a chance, and even my main PC tends to struggle, whereas when I bought it I could run FOUR simultaneous MGS casinos with little or no sign of it struggling. Now it shows signs of distress running ONE.

Thats all great,.....but what does this have to do with:

Blank spins?
Manipulating outcomes?
Unseen bet levels?

We were urged to uninstall all these infested casino softwares ASAP.

I would be quite surprised if the OP was using a play on words to make us believe our legit casinos were in grave danger of being infested...when all along he was trying to help us get our casinos running faster. Doesn't add up....and not something I expected from such a seasoned poster.

[Nifty29]

I would also assume that, given there is no longer any suggestion of cheating, the OP will be free to name the software and the offending casino.

Drum roll please.........

[pmutts]

All I can say is that I have just have gut feeling he may be right about this and I have had this feeling quite some time. Some may call it paranoia but I say it is always better to err the side of caution.

No matter how much you clean your registry, you cannot remove everything on your computer without a clean install. If they have the license to RTG or Topgame software, or any other platform, then there are plenty of people out there capable for cracking into that code maliciously.

I do not think that most "Accredited Casinos" actually cheat players by manipulating software. I know for a fact that when I used to get on a roll--usually in Blackjack or VP--that I would get kicked off the server frequently. This was especially true of the English Harbour Group. I liken it to being shuffled up on in the casino. '

In another recent thread about uninstalling software I posted the following information about how to truly rid your computer of anything malicious:

It requires a lot of time and effort but IMO it is well worth it. If you do not know where to obtain a "shared" copy of Norton Ghost, my personal choice, then it would be a worthwhile investment not only for a "One Time Back Up." As we all know but so many fail to do, you should be backing up your data to an external drive regularly anyway.

Back up all documents, photos, and other personal files.

Do a clean install of Windows (or other operation system)

Install all updates

Reinstall all your applications

Use Norton Ghost or Acronis to make a "One time Backup" of your clean installation

Now whenever you feel the need to completely rid your computer of casinos or any other crapware, just back up your personal files again and restore your One Time Back Up of your Clean Installation.

Yes, it is a lot of work and very time consuming but once you have your backup you HAVE it. You will not have to go through the long process again.