Enzo and 3Dice ... I have a request for you :)

[LaHutti]

I've been looking a lot at 3Dice's statistics website, with all the fancy X-bet's, and thought....well, it looks pretty impressive, but really....it's worthless, if not misleading.
Doing this and only stating the X-bet COULD be a very convenient way of making things look a lot better, than they really are (From a players perspective).
There is a hugenormeous difference between a 1500Xbet win from a 15 cents bet and a 1500Xbet win from a $1,50 bet.
If you have 300 people betting $1.50 at a certain game, and you list the wins of the 4 people betting 15 cents, it looks pretty impressive, but is misleading, and at best not interesting for the average player imo.
So let's spice it up a bit Enzo, and get the REAL numbers, together with the X-bet ones, on the table ...it's a challenge, and I know you love those
(I really don't hope you'll be using the "players privacy" excuse for not doing this, since you're already using players names on there).

 

[Nifty29]

I think it probably will be a privacy issue. I know that I don't want every Tom, Dick and Harry knowing how much I bet and how much I win, and I'm pretty sure many players would object as well. You will notice that in chat real play wins come up as "someone won $xxx" for privacy reasons.

I'm not sure what is misleading about the status quo..? Expressing wins on terms of xbet is the most sensible and logical method, and gives a far better picture of exactly how much the player "won". If a high roller wins $400 betting $5 its far more misleading to just have "nifty29 won $400 on slots" as it tells nothing about bet size.

I just can't fathom what is wrong with expressing winner information in terms of xbet, I really can't. Whether someone wins 1500xbet playing $15 or .15c is immaterial. The fact is that it was obviously a really cool hit and it COULD happen to you regardless of what you bet...which is the whole point of having that winners page in the first place, no?

IMO you're being unreasonable, bordering on disrespectful, by telling Enzo what he can and can't say in reply I.e the privacy issue, especially given that you know it is a factor. It's like asking "I want to know why sometimes slots are hot and sometimes they're cold, and I don't want to hear any of that variance nonsense". I just think that last paragraph of yours was quite unnecessary.

 

[LaHutti]

I think it probably will be a privacy issue. I know that I don't want every Tom, Dick and Harry knowing how much I bet and how much I win, and I'm pretty sure many players would object as well. You will notice that in chat real play wins come up as "someone won $xxx" for privacy reasons.

The thing is ....they already do post big wins on the site, with the exact amount (Screenshots under each slot)

I'm not sure what is misleading about the status quo..? Expressing wins on terms of xbet is the most sensible and logical method, and gives a far better picture of exactly how much the player "won". If a high roller wins $400 betting $5 its far more misleading to just have "nifty29 won $400 on slots" as it tells nothing about bet size.


I just can't fathom what is wrong with expressing winner information in terms of xbet, I really can't. Whether someone wins 1500xbet playing $15 or .15c is immaterial. The fact is that it was obviously a really cool hit and it COULD happen to you regardless of what you bet...which is the whole point of having that winners page in the first place, no?

It could very well be misleading, and certainly doesn't tell anyone much. True it tells you, that someone won 1500X bet, but it certainly doesn't tell you it could or does happen at any betsize What I would like is both the x-bet, and either betsize or the win in cash amount. This would be far more informative for everyone, and could for some help choose betsize etc. if you want to actually USE the statistics for anything. I'm guessing here....but I think 3Dice is putting these statistics up to "promote" 3Dice with some "hefty" wins, and not so much for the sake of the players. All I'm asking, is ALL the information, they have available, so that I can USE the info. and the promotion value would be much greater, showing some "hefty" money amounts instead.

IMO you're being unreasonable, bordering on disrespectful, by telling Enzo what he can and can't say in reply I.e the privacy issue, especially given that you know it is a factor. It's like asking "I want to know why sometimes slots are hot and sometimes they're cold, and I don't want to hear any of that variance nonsense". I just think that last paragraph of yours was quite unnecessary.

I'm under no obligation to be extra respectful to 3Dice, and I have a hard time seeing how asking for the full picture is DISrespectful.
I know very well, that privacy is an issue, but I'm really not asking for more than is already there, in form of screenshots, and "congratulations "winner name""
Finally ... you're right...I DON'T want to hear th variance nonsense...I know all there is to know about it, so I'd like the REAL numbers, instead of, to me, unuseable ones.

So Enzo ... I'm in NO way trying to be disrespectdul. I'm just asking, if it would be possible to build on your statistics page, so I feel I can actually use it.

 

[nisosbar]

Nifty, I agree with you, but sometimes, I wish you could voice your objections and counterpoints to other members' points less cantankerously. But maybe that's just how you are.

 

[DepositSpinLose]

Lol i was just thinking the same thing about nifty, he has the same sarcastic tone in all his replies to threads. i wonder how old he is...he reminds me of Walter on the Jeff Dunham show. just joking Nifty

 

[LaHutti]

ok...so let's derail yet another thread, just for a minute, and make it all about Nifty. You only get these few lines tho Nifty, then I'd like to get back on track.
Nifty has been doing pretty good lately, up until....what was it....yesterday, where he managed to have a couple of members either thrown off, or quit the forum themselves, by starting shit with them....again.
I don't know how he does it, but at times, I find it rather amuzing, but ofcourse it's not healthy for the forum, or the honest people who pay the price. I think it's because some people haven't learned how to handle Nifty, so they end up wanting to beat the crap out of him....since that's not possible on a forum, they start yelling at him. THAT really tickles him, because he knows, noone can reach him. I think it's far better to ignore the stuff he posts, ONLY to get in a fight...that way, you don't tickle his ego, and you'll survive on the forum.
I rather like Nifty's sarcasm, sometimes, and I think "normal people" just have to learn how to cope with him, and not give him a chance to get under their skin, where he REALLY likes to be, right Nifty ?
No disrespect inteded at all....it's just how I see it.

 

[mattsgame]

I've been looking a lot at 3Dice's statistics website, with all the fancy X-bet's, and thought....well, it looks pretty impressive, but really....it's worthless, if not misleading.
Doing this and only stating the X-bet COULD be a very convenient way of making things look a lot better, than they really are (From a players perspective).
There is a hugenormeous difference between a 1500Xbet win from a 15 cents bet and a 1500Xbet win from a $1,50 bet.
If you have 300 people betting $1.50 at a certain game, and you list the wins of the 4 people betting 15 cents, it looks pretty impressive, but is misleading, and at best not interesting for the average player imo.
So let's spice it up a bit Enzo, and get the REAL numbers, together with the X-bet ones, on the table ...it's a challenge, and I know you love those
(I really don't hope you'll be using the "players privacy" excuse for not doing this, since you're already using players names on there).

Can I ask why you want this info? its not readily available any where else? you see winners posted on most sites yes, but that only says J.Smith won $567 on Ghost Pirates as an example. They could have been betting 20c - $50 they don't even mention the bet x.

On the derail...
Everyone here has a different writing style and everyone interprets differently, each to there own. you either love em or you hate em.

 

[LaHutti]

Can I ask why you want this info? its not readily available any where else? you see winners posted on most sites yes, but that only says J.Smith won $567 on Ghost Pirates as an example. They could have been betting 20c - $50 they don't even mention the bet x.

3Dice makes it a point, that they post the things they post, because they want to be transparent. That, as I understand it, is the purpose of the website.
By adding what I'm suggesting, they'll actually achieve this, and make it usefull, at least to me, and I believe many more.
They already have screenshots under each slot, with the winners "nicknames", so I don't see why it would be a problem in the "normal" list of winners.

On the derail...
Everyone here has a different writing style and everyone interprets differently, each to there own. you either love em or you hate em.

I agree.

My reply in blue

 

[Nifty29]

ok...so let's derail yet another thread, just for a minute, and make it all about Nifty. You only get these few lines tho Nifty, then I'd like to get back on track.
Nifty has been doing pretty good lately, up until....what was it....yesterday, where he managed to have a couple of members either thrown off, or quit the forum themselves, by starting shit with them....again.
I don't know how he does it, but at times, I find it rather amuzing, but ofcourse it's not healthy for the forum, or the honest people who pay the price. I think it's because some people haven't learned how to handle Nifty, so they end up wanting to beat the crap out of him....since that's not possible on a forum, they start yelling at him. THAT really tickles him, because he knows, noone can reach him. I think it's far better to ignore the stuff he posts, ONLY to get in a fight...that way, you don't tickle his ego, and you'll survive on the forum.
I rather like Nifty's sarcasm, sometimes, and I think "normal people" just have to learn how to cope with him, and not give him a chance to get under their skin, where he REALLY likes to be, right Nifty ?
No disrespect inteded at all....it's just how I see it.

The people who have been banned from this forum have only themselves to blame. Nobody forced them to behave disrespectfully and hurl personal insults at other members and, in particular, the staff and Bryan. To lay blame at my feet, or anyone else's for that matter, is like blaming Bryan for losing your money at a CM accredited casino.

We might not like someone else's opinion, but we have a responsibility to respond in a form that addresses the issues and doesn't launch personal attacks, simply because they are losing an argument. We are all adults, and responding to a challenge of ones opinion based on fact with accusations of shilling and being in bed with the casinos etc against other members and Bryan (such as the GM and gaydave cases) is totally unacceptable....not to mention pathetic and childish. The members mentioned, along with other banned members, were banned for THEIR conduct not anyone else's. You do the crime, you do the time. If you have an issue with that, take it up with Bryan.

I responded to your post with reasons why the information you want MAY not be supplied, and that it was unreasonable to dictate to someone how they answer your question and/or the restrict what they can discuss regardless of its relevance. In fact, IMO, it is rude and disrespectful.....and accredited casino reps SHOULD be shown respect and you DO have an obligation to be "extra respectful" as accreditation is hard-earned and carries with it certain expectations that cut BOTH ways. Again, if you have an issue with that, take it up with Bryan.

For the record, I don't write anything I wouldn't say to someones face and never have. My friends know that for a fact.

You may not like how I phrase my opinions, but they are based on the facts I have at hand and I NEVER use personally insulting language and/or terms as a tool to drive my point home. I leave that to those who realise they're wrong or can't back up their own statements. Insofar as liking to be right....well of course I do, and so do you and everyone else. The differential is whether one can admit they're wrong, and ive proven I can do exactly that.

I'm really sorry that I come across cantankerous at times, as it isn't always deliberate. It's very easy to pick out specific posts where I'm calling out someone's BS (when I usually get grumpy), and ignore the numerous posts I make with jokes and mucking around, and assisting others and making newbies feel welcome.

The fact that you blame me for others being banned, and that you don't consider variance relevant or useful, explains a lot about your opinions about online casinos, so I've learned something useful from this thread even though I've been, once again, personally insulted for no other reason than making a valid point that someone else doesn't like.

Anyway, let's see what Enzo has to say.

 

[LaHutti]

The people who have been banned from this forum have only themselves to blame. Nobody forced them to behave disrespectfully and hurl personal insults at other members and, in particular, the staff and Bryan. To lay blame at my feet, or anyone else's for that matter, is like blaming Bryan for losing your money at a CM accredited casino.

We might not like someone else's opinion, but we have a responsibility to respond in a form that addresses the issues and doesn't launch personal attacks, simply because they are losing an argument. We are all adults, and responding to a challenge of ones opinion based on fact with accusations of shilling and being in bed with the casinos etc against other members and Bryan (such as the GM and gaydave cases) is totally unacceptable....not to mention pathetic and childish. The members mentioned, along with other banned members, were banned for THEIR conduct not anyone else's. You do the crime, you do the time. If you have an issue with that, take it up with Bryan.

I responded to your post with reasons why the information you want MAY not be supplied, and that it was unreasonable to dictate to someone how they answer your question and/or the restrict what they can discuss regardless of its relevance. In fact, IMO, it is rude and disrespectful.....and accredited casino reps SHOULD be shown respect and you DO have an obligation to be "extra respectful" as accreditation is hard-earned and carries with it certain expectations that cut BOTH ways. Again, if you have an issue with that, take it up with Bryan.

For the record, I don't write anything I wouldn't say to someones face and never have. My friends know that for a fact.

You may not like how I phrase my opinions, but they are based on the facts I have at hand and I NEVER use personally insulting language and/or terms as a tool to drive my point home. I leave that to those who realise they're wrong or can't back up their own statements. Insofar as liking to be right....well of course I do, and so do you and everyone else. The differential is whether one can admit they're wrong, and ive proven I can do exactly that.

I'm really sorry that I come across cantankerous at times, as it isn't always deliberate. It's very easy to pick out specific posts where I'm calling out someone's BS (when I usually get grumpy), and ignore the numerous posts I make with jokes and mucking around, and assisting others and making newbies feel welcome.

The fact that you blame me for others being banned, and that you don't consider variance relevant or useful, explains a lot about your opinions about online casinos, so I've learned something useful from this thread even though I've been, once again, personally insulted for no other reason than making a valid point that someone else doesn't like.

Anyway, let's see what Enzo has to say.

And again, you try to put words in my mouth.
Nowhere have I EVER said, that variance is unimportant, OR that I don't care about it. I said I know what that's about, and it's not the info I'm seeking.
All I'm asking for, is the full picture, so that I feel the info posted on the website would be useful to me...that's it....no more, no less, so your long post, putting words in my mouth, and calling me disrespectful, is out of line, and uncalled for
I don't blame you of anything....I'm stating the facts of what your posting style causes....
I rather enjoyed your posts lately, as you have been civilized, and had I still been the happy owner of a thanks button, I would even have thanked some of your posts....but guess why THAT was removed, ...I'm just saying Nifty....there is absolutely NO reason to be challenging other members, in the way you often do. Personally I don't give a rats, and really, I think I'll survive without my button too
...but some people do care, and it has had consequences for quite a few members, and I think you know that.
Let's by all means keep the peace, and try to respect eachothers opinions.....both ways.

Enzo ?

 

[Nifty29]

And again, you try to put words in my mouth.
Nowhere have I EVER said, that variance is unimportant, OR that I don't care about it. I said I know what that's about, and it's not the info I'm seeking.
All I'm asking for, is the full picture, so that I feel the info posted on the website would be useful to me...that's it....no more, no less, so your long post, putting words in my mouth, and calling me disrespectful, is out of line, and uncalled for
I don't blame you of anything....I'm stating the facts of what your posting style causes....
I rather enjoyed your posts lately, as you have been civilized, and had I still been the happy owner of a thanks button, I would even have thanked some of your posts....but guess why THAT was removed, ...I'm just saying Nifty....there is absolutely NO reason to be challenging other members, in the way you often do. Personally I don't give a rats, and really, I think I'll survive without my button too
...but some people do care, and it has had consequences for quite a few members, and I think you know that.
Let's by all means keep the peace, and try to respect eachothers opinions.....both ways.

Enzo ?

So its my fault that you lost your thanking privileges too? Oh give me a break. You lost them because YOU abused them by thanking posts that directly attacked other members.
The fact that you even mentioning something from so long ago shows exactly who is "stirring the pot" here.

Why is it that so many people blame everyone else for their own actions these days. The "its niftys fault" line you're peddling is the same thing the police hear from wife/kid beaters...."it wasn't my fault that I hit them...they should have shut up like I told them and it wouldn't have happened. The whole "he made me do it" nonsense is tiring and just another excuse to avoid personal responsibility.

Don't post a whole lot of guff blaming me for yours and others poor behaviour I.e. directly insult me, and then claim you want to "keep the peace". You just wanted to get a few more jabs in before appearing to want some kind of truce. If you really wanted peace, you wouldn't have taken cheap shots in the same breath.

I'm happy to stop this derail of yours right now by no longer participating in it....for the good of the thread and other members.

 

[LaHutti]

So its my fault that you lost your thanking privileges too? Oh give me a break. You lost them because YOU abused them by thanking posts that directly attacked other members.
The fact that you even mentioning something from so long ago shows exactly who is "stirring the pot" here.

Why is it that so many people blame everyone else for their own actions these days. The "its niftys fault" line you're peddling is the same thing the police hear from wife/kid beaters...."it wasn't my fault that I hit them...they should have shut up like I told them and it wouldn't have happened. The whole "he made me do it" nonsense is tiring and just another excuse to avoid personal responsibility.

Don't post a whole lot of guff blaming me for yours and others poor behaviour I.e. directly insult me, and then claim you want to "keep the peace". You just wanted to get a few more jabs in before appearing to want some kind of truce. If you really wanted peace, you wouldn't have taken cheap shots in the same breath.

I'm happy to stop this derail of yours right now by no longer participating in it....for the good of the thread and other members.

Have a very nice day Nifty, and thank you for your interesting and enlightening views on my thread.

 

[rockycatt]

i would like to speak for enzo and 3 dice

yes i would like to speak for enzo and 3 dice
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, but i cant you see some things need to be addressed by those whom they were addressed to

 

[chayton]

I've hit a $250 payout on a 25 cent bet before, which sounds more impressive: chayton won $250 or chayton won x1000 bet?

EDIT: Actually either one sounds good to me!

 

[LaHutti]

I've hit a $250 payout on a 25 cent bet before, which sounds more impressive: chayton won $250 or chayton won x1000 bet?

EDIT: Actually either one sounds good to me!

yep, both sound pretty good, but if you had won 1000X bet on a $1.5 bet your payout would have been $1500 ... on a $3 bet $3000 ....see the difference ?
There are people who would never DREAM of betting 25 cents, so it might be nice for them to know, that someone actually HIT something (which I'm sure someone...some time did)...... on higher bets than 25 cents, which is why it would be great to see BOTH those numbers.
That is my point.
It's great that you can hit a 1000X bet, but imo WAY less great, if they only ever hit on 25 cent bets, and you always bet at least $1.50 .....
There is a long way from talking about transparency, to actually BE transparent.

 

[Nifty29]

yes i would like to speak for enzo and 3 dice
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What did I miss?

Who wanted you to speak on behalf of 3Dice?

I agree that some "things" need to be addressed by those to whom the "things" were addressed....just not sure what "things" you're referring to.

 

[Dipity]

Personally I don't think it matters that much. I've hit 500x+ hits at 3 dice whether betting 25 cents or 1 euro. Except on Tut, but thats another story!

It's nice seeing the 1000x messages and whilst I agree, winning 1500$ off a 25 cent bet is more impressive than 1500$ from a 15$ bet, but either way, I don't think it makes any difference as to what your bet size is. If you're gonna win, you're gonna win

 

[The Dude]

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[X-Raided]

I've been looking a lot at 3Dice's statistics website, with all the fancy X-bet's, and thought....well, it looks pretty impressive, but really....it's worthless, if not misleading.
Doing this and only stating the X-bet COULD be a very convenient way of making things look a lot better, than they really are (From a players perspective).
There is a hugenormeous difference between a 1500Xbet win from a 15 cents bet and a 1500Xbet win from a $1,50 bet.
If you have 300 people betting $1.50 at a certain game, and you list the wins of the 4 people betting 15 cents, it looks pretty impressive, but is misleading, and at best not interesting for the average player imo.
So let's spice it up a bit Enzo, and get the REAL numbers, together with the X-bet ones, on the table ...it's a challenge, and I know you love those
(I really don't hope you'll be using the "players privacy" excuse for not doing this, since you're already using players names on there).

Remember folks, 3Dice is a very psychologically advanced casino.
With that being said, sorry LaHutti, I don't see your point here...
Besides the fact that this is a way to self promote within their own business; (smart)
to entice other players that they could win "1000X" bet on Payola for example.
To me, this is like saying that the glass is half full versus saying it's half empty.

Lastly, from a business stand point, I think it looks better to state that a player
won "1000X" bet rather than saying that a player won $150. I truly believe that if
you were the head honcho of 3Dice, you would use "1000X" bet as well to self promote
your business. Don't deny it, lol

 

[cpdnd31]

It's Enzo with his Jedi mind tricks.. LOL Sorry had to lighten up the thread a little!

I do understand his point tho. If I was a high roller I'm gonna look for big payouts. Now some machines on 3 Dice may only hit well with lower bets. So I would like to weed those out. Why waste 150 on one machine that really doesn't pay well if your betting 2. or 3, dollars when I can go right to the machines that pay better with bigger bets. That's why this info for me would be more important.

Every casino has certain machines that play better with lower bets and ones that play better with higher.

May the force be with you!!! sorry needed one more zing. lol

 

[rockycatt]

this thread is under adminastration WATCH so 6/12 talk sports

 

[Tirilej]

It's Enzo with his Jedi mind tricks.. LOL Sorry had to lighten up the thread a little!

I do understand his point tho. If I was a high roller I'm gonna look for big payouts. Now some machines on 3 Dice may only hit well with lower bets. So I would like to weed those out. Why waste 150 on one machine that really doesn't pay well if your betting 2. or 3, dollars when I can go right to the machines that pay better with bigger bets. That's why this info for me would be more important.

Every casino has certain machines that play better with lower bets and ones that play better with higher.

May the force be with you!!! sorry needed one more zing. lol

I always thought that every machine was random. I didn't believe that the betsize would matter. You win more when you bet higher ofcourse but I have never heard that some machines paid better depending on betsize.
Interesting. Could that be true?

 

[rockycatt]

I always thought that every machine was random. I didn't believe that the betsize would matter. You win more when you bet higher ofcourse but I have never heard that some machines paid better depending on betsize.
Interesting. Could that be true?

i do believe it's variance that is what is at hand here and im no code writer but i get it like this

low variance = more lesser RTP hits to player

high variance = less larger RTP hits to player

that being said bank roll $$$ limits or extends the amount of penetrating power into the jackpot area of the of the pay out of any given slot machien or VP poker game it's on the pay table of the VP more clearer than the slots ,thats why the casino;s on line lable the varience as high med or low
i hope i helped

ps and every player eventually develops a love /hate relationship with those SOBS [the games ]

 

[Tirilej]

Thanks rockycat, but I do understand low and high variance.
This was the statement that certain machines paid better according to betsize.

 

[LaHutti]

Personally I don't think it matters that much. I've hit 500x+ hits at 3 dice whether betting 25 cents or 1 euro. Except on Tut, but thats another story!

It's nice seeing the 1000x messages and whilst I agree, winning 1500$ off a 25 cent bet is more impressive than 1500$ from a 15$ bet, but either way, I don't think it makes any difference as to what your bet size is. If you're gonna win, you're gonna win

pssssssssst.....With my suggestion hey.... you would KNOW

 

[LaHutti]

Remember folks, 3Dice is a very psychologically advanced casino.
With that being said, sorry LaHutti, I don't see your point here...
Besides the fact that this is a way to self promote within their own business; (smart)
to entice other players that they could win "1000X" bet on Payola for example.
To me, this is like saying that the glass is half full versus saying it's half empty.

Lastly, from a business stand point, I think it looks better to state that a player
won "1000X" bet rather than saying that a player won $150. I truly believe that if
you were the head honcho of 3Dice, you would use "1000X" bet as well to self promote
your business. Don't deny it, lol

ok...apparently I'm not comming through here...
That is one of my points !
The say it's for the players, and because they want to be transparent...so let's HAVE that, and NOT just "promoting 3Dice".

 

[LaHutti]

I always thought that every machine was random. I didn't believe that the betsize would matter. You win more when you bet higher ofcourse but I have never heard that some machines paid better depending on betsize.
Interesting. Could that be true?

Pssssst....With my suggestion you would KNOW. Or at least get a better idea !
Why ANYONE could be against this, is SO beyond me.
Look how many people have said "I think: and "I believe".
If they post the information, everyone could say "I KNOW" !

 

[Tirilej]

That still wouldn't make any sence.
I can only speak for myself, but I would never touch a machine that just paid out something big. No matter what betsize they won on
And then be there all the time and keep a record. Must say it wouldn't do my play any good

 

[LaHutti]

That still wouldn't make any sence.
I can only speak for myself, but I would never touch a machine that just paid out something big. No matter what betsize they won on
And then be there all the time and keep a record. Must say it wouldn't do my play any good

Well in that case, I REALLY don't think 3Dice is for you mate, as all their slots are at least high variance.
Most even VERY high variance.

 

[cpdnd31]

OK here is how I look at it. If a machine is lets say high variance I want to bet bigger because the bonuses are not as often but when they do come they pay better. (in theory of course.) If i am am wrong let me know. I know there are certain bets I can make on some of the slot machines that keep me going for a long time. I always looked at it as the machine works well with that bet. Let's take for example Star struck. There is no way in hell that I would play 2.00 bets on that machine it would eat me alive. But if I went to slotro I could probably play for a good hour or so on 2.00 bets. There are certain games I only play when I have won a lot and using 3 dice winnings to play. But hey it doesn't matter anyway because now I'm a spice head.... (new ISS game if you haven't played it - it's a riot.)

 

[Nifty29]

I've tried and tried, but still cannot see what difference displaying the bet amounts makes.

Knowing who hit what playing what betting what means absolutely nothing whatsoever. If it shows that more big hits happen on small bets (which is what you seem to be getting at) it could mean that more players play small bets and therefore hit more often, or that some smaller bettors have been luckier etc etc. The information would be of no value at all in relation to what games pay better with which denomination.

The suggestion that the RTP is higher for lower bets not only suggests that 3Dice are somehow being devious, and it would also be the opposite of what land casinos do I.e. they set the high denom machines with higher RTP.

Variance is important, especially when you consider that more players use lower bets and would experience higher extremes. Just to clarify what rockycatt stated......variance has not related to RTP......you can have a high variance slot with a 50% RTP.....high variance means bigger hits less often, whilst low variance means smaller hits more often (put simply)

I don't like the idea of having my bet amount and win amount being associated with my username, especially given how many of us play at 3Dice. If I want people to know ill post in the screenshot thread.

Anyway, past results mean zip. The games are random. If you think either of those aren't true, you shouldn't play slots.

 

[LaHutti]

I've tried and tried, but still cannot see what difference displaying the bet amounts makes.

Knowing who hit what playing what betting what means absolutely nothing whatsoever. If it shows that more big hits happen on small bets (which is what you seem to be getting at) it could mean that more players play small bets and therefore hit more often, or that some smaller bettors have been luckier etc etc. The information would be of no value at all in relation to what games pay better with which denomination.

The suggestion that the RTP is higher for lower bets not only suggests that 3Dice are somehow being devious, and it would also be the opposite of what land casinos do I.e. they set the high denom machines with higher RTP.

Variance is important, especially when you consider that more players use lower bets and would experience higher extremes. Just to clarify what rockycatt stated......variance has not related to RTP......you can have a high variance slot with a 50% RTP.....high variance means bigger hits less often, whilst low variance means smaller hits more often (put simply)

I don't like the idea of having my bet amount and win amount being associated with my username, especially given how many of us play at 3Dice. If I want people to know ill post in the screenshot thread.

Anyway, past results mean zip. The games are random. If you think either of those aren't true, you shouldn't play slots.

Seems like we're at least getting closer to the core now

 

[Nifty29]

Seems like we're at least getting closer to the core now

Care to elaborate? What is the "core" in your opinion?

 

[ShayDrew]

Pssssst....With my suggestion you would KNOW. Or at least get a better idea !
Why ANYONE could be against this, is SO beyond me.
Look how many people have said "I think: and "I believe".
If they post the information, everyone could say "I KNOW" !

Just my opinion - I prefer the bet multiplier only - seeing the $$$ figures ruins the dreamland of wondering if it was me on my wee 75c bets I would have won xxxx.....

 

[3Dice]

Hi Guys

For a casino, privacy means - at a first level - protecting the data that would reveal information
about players. We have a very strict - non negotiable obligation to protect the private information
of all our players. That does not just include information like real name and address, but also how
much you deposit and or bet. I think this is self-evident - there's no way around it.

Transparency means being as open and informative as possible about the casino inner workings,
about the games, the tournaments and any other casino related items.

It is unavoidable that there are cases for which you cannot satisfy both conditions. We cannot
be transparent with player information since protecting players privacy is simply more important.

By listing wins as multiples of betsize, we are trying to be as transparent as we can about the
games, while maintaining the privacy of our players. From the statistics point of view it also makes
a lot more sense to display it as multiples of betsizes since those numbers give you a clear picture
on the types of wins that have occured on a particular game.

If we were to use absolute amounts instead - that would in fact be less transparent - as you
would always have to wonder if someone hit a real nice hit - or was just playing at very high
bet sizes.

Listing both would not teach you anything extra about the games at all - that would just be
releasing private player information. (i.e. who is betting at what betsizes).

LaHutti, there's only one way for the information you want to be shared and that is by the
players themselves - for example the screenshot thread here will show you a whole bunch of
nice hits at 3Dice - at higher betsizes - and shared by the players themselves.

It would be great advertising for us to put up the big winner screenshots - and believe me
there are plenty - but alas it is advertising we'll have to miss out on since player privacy is
simply more important to us.

When we designed the zeitgeist - we spent a substantial amount of time figuring out the
extent of information we can release without damaging player privacy. And even tho its
been online for over two years, I still believe that no other casino publishes any information
that comes even remotely close to what is published on our zeitgeist.

Is it great advertising that it displays that currently 51% of all withdraws have been paid
within 30 minutes ? Yes - but there's the slight detail that we also have to do a good job
before it can be considered any advertising at all. The real question would be why are we
the only ones publishing information like that - anyone any idea ?

We've tried to be as complete as possible when we built the zeitgeist, but if there's anything
that other casino's are being more transparent at, anything we missed, I'll be happy to
consider adding it.

Kindest regards,

Enzo

 

[funeral979]

While I think LaHutti's idea may be an interesting one from a curiosity standpoint, I don't think I would personally be thrilled with it from a privacy standpoint.

The way it stands now, you can match up BIG wins that pop up in chat from ones that just got posted on their Zeitgeist page, and figure out who just won a couple of thousand dollars or whatever it may be. Im not 100% comfortable with the current set up as it stands. Imagine getting a large hit....and then getting private messaged from other players "hinting" at gifts. It happens. It would be nice if there were a way to control if your name appears on the winners page or not. Personally its not usually an issue with me as normally im pretty stoked when I get a big hit and go ahead and send a screenshot anyhow. The option would be nice though...

Also, it should be noted that some of those "huge multipliers" that are seen on the stats page are smaller bets than you may realise. Playing just a few lines on a 15-30 line video slot can really make some of those wins look rather inflated (and impossible playing all lines).

That being said im thrilled with the information presented. I know it doesnt make a damn bit of difference but I decide what slots to play based on how hot they are at the moment.

 

[LaHutti]

Hi Guys

For a casino, privacy means - at a first level - protecting the data that would reveal information
about players. We have a very strict - non negotiable obligation to protect the private information
of all our players. That does not just include information like real name and address, but also how
much you deposit and or bet. I think this is self-evident - there's no way around it.

Transparency means being as open and informative as possible about the casino inner workings,
about the games, the tournaments and any other casino related items.

It is unavoidable that there are cases for which you cannot satisfy both conditions. We cannot
be transparent with player information since protecting players privacy is simply more important.

By listing wins as multiples of betsize, we are trying to be as transparent as we can about the
games, while maintaining the privacy of our players. From the statistics point of view it also makes
a lot more sense to display it as multiples of betsizes since those numbers give you a clear picture
on the types of wins that have occured on a particular game.

If we were to use absolute amounts instead - that would in fact be less transparent - as you
would always have to wonder if someone hit a real nice hit - or was just playing at very high
bet sizes.

Listing both would not teach you anything extra about the games at all - that would just be
releasing private player information. (i.e. who is betting at what betsizes).

LaHutti, there's only one way for the information you want to be shared and that is by the
players themselves - for example the screenshot thread here will show you a whole bunch of
nice hits at 3Dice - at higher betsizes - and shared by the players themselves.

It would be great advertising for us to put up the big winner screenshots - and believe me
there are plenty - but alas it is advertising we'll have to miss out on since player privacy is
simply more important to us.

When we designed the zeitgeist - we spent a substantial amount of time figuring out the
extent of information we can release without damaging player privacy. And even tho its
been online for over two years, I still believe that no other casino publishes any information
that comes even remotely close to what is published on our zeitgeist.

Is it great advertising that it displays that currently 51% of all withdraws have been paid
within 30 minutes ? Yes - but there's the slight detail that we also have to do a good job
before it can be considered any advertising at all. The real question would be why are we
the only ones publishing information like that - anyone any idea ?

We've tried to be as complete as possible when we built the zeitgeist, but if there's anything
that other casino's are being more transparent at, anything we missed, I'll be happy to
consider adding it.

Kindest regards,

Enzo

Thank you for replying.