Enzo and 3Dice ... I have a request for you :)

[Nifty29]

I've tried and tried, but still cannot see what difference displaying the bet amounts makes.

Knowing who hit what playing what betting what means absolutely nothing whatsoever. If it shows that more big hits happen on small bets (which is what you seem to be getting at) it could mean that more players play small bets and therefore hit more often, or that some smaller bettors have been luckier etc etc. The information would be of no value at all in relation to what games pay better with which denomination.

The suggestion that the RTP is higher for lower bets not only suggests that 3Dice are somehow being devious, and it would also be the opposite of what land casinos do I.e. they set the high denom machines with higher RTP.

Variance is important, especially when you consider that more players use lower bets and would experience higher extremes. Just to clarify what rockycatt stated......variance has not related to RTP......you can have a high variance slot with a 50% RTP.....high variance means bigger hits less often, whilst low variance means smaller hits more often (put simply)

I don't like the idea of having my bet amount and win amount being associated with my username, especially given how many of us play at 3Dice. If I want people to know ill post in the screenshot thread.

Anyway, past results mean zip. The games are random. If you think either of those aren't true, you shouldn't play slots.

[LaHutti]

I've tried and tried, but still cannot see what difference displaying the bet amounts makes.

Knowing who hit what playing what betting what means absolutely nothing whatsoever. If it shows that more big hits happen on small bets (which is what you seem to be getting at) it could mean that more players play small bets and therefore hit more often, or that some smaller bettors have been luckier etc etc. The information would be of no value at all in relation to what games pay better with which denomination.

The suggestion that the RTP is higher for lower bets not only suggests that 3Dice are somehow being devious, and it would also be the opposite of what land casinos do I.e. they set the high denom machines with higher RTP.

Variance is important, especially when you consider that more players use lower bets and would experience higher extremes. Just to clarify what rockycatt stated......variance has not related to RTP......you can have a high variance slot with a 50% RTP.....high variance means bigger hits less often, whilst low variance means smaller hits more often (put simply)

I don't like the idea of having my bet amount and win amount being associated with my username, especially given how many of us play at 3Dice. If I want people to know ill post in the screenshot thread.

Anyway, past results mean zip. The games are random. If you think either of those aren't true, you shouldn't play slots.

Seems like we're at least getting closer to the core now

[Nifty29]

Seems like we're at least getting closer to the core now

Care to elaborate? What is the "core" in your opinion?

[ShayDrew]

Pssssst....With my suggestion you would KNOW. Or at least get a better idea !
Why ANYONE could be against this, is SO beyond me.
Look how many people have said "I think: and "I believe".
If they post the information, everyone could say "I KNOW" !

Just my opinion - I prefer the bet multiplier only - seeing the $$$ figures ruins the dreamland of wondering if it was me on my wee 75c bets I would have won xxxx.....

[3Dice]

Hi Guys

For a casino, privacy means - at a first level - protecting the data that would reveal information
about players. We have a very strict - non negotiable obligation to protect the private information
of all our players. That does not just include information like real name and address, but also how
much you deposit and or bet. I think this is self-evident - there's no way around it.

Transparency means being as open and informative as possible about the casino inner workings,
about the games, the tournaments and any other casino related items.

It is unavoidable that there are cases for which you cannot satisfy both conditions. We cannot
be transparent with player information since protecting players privacy is simply more important.

By listing wins as multiples of betsize, we are trying to be as transparent as we can about the
games, while maintaining the privacy of our players. From the statistics point of view it also makes
a lot more sense to display it as multiples of betsizes since those numbers give you a clear picture
on the types of wins that have occured on a particular game.

If we were to use absolute amounts instead - that would in fact be less transparent - as you
would always have to wonder if someone hit a real nice hit - or was just playing at very high
bet sizes.

Listing both would not teach you anything extra about the games at all - that would just be
releasing private player information. (i.e. who is betting at what betsizes).

LaHutti, there's only one way for the information you want to be shared and that is by the
players themselves - for example the screenshot thread here will show you a whole bunch of
nice hits at 3Dice - at higher betsizes - and shared by the players themselves.

It would be great advertising for us to put up the big winner screenshots - and believe me
there are plenty - but alas it is advertising we'll have to miss out on since player privacy is
simply more important to us.

When we designed the zeitgeist - we spent a substantial amount of time figuring out the
extent of information we can release without damaging player privacy. And even tho its
been online for over two years, I still believe that no other casino publishes any information
that comes even remotely close to what is published on our zeitgeist.

Is it great advertising that it displays that currently 51% of all withdraws have been paid
within 30 minutes ? Yes - but there's the slight detail that we also have to do a good job
before it can be considered any advertising at all. The real question would be why are we
the only ones publishing information like that - anyone any idea ?

We've tried to be as complete as possible when we built the zeitgeist, but if there's anything
that other casino's are being more transparent at, anything we missed, I'll be happy to
consider adding it.

Kindest regards,

Enzo

[funeral979]

While I think LaHutti's idea may be an interesting one from a curiosity standpoint, I don't think I would personally be thrilled with it from a privacy standpoint.

The way it stands now, you can match up BIG wins that pop up in chat from ones that just got posted on their Zeitgeist page, and figure out who just won a couple of thousand dollars or whatever it may be. Im not 100% comfortable with the current set up as it stands. Imagine getting a large hit....and then getting private messaged from other players "hinting" at gifts. It happens. It would be nice if there were a way to control if your name appears on the winners page or not. Personally its not usually an issue with me as normally im pretty stoked when I get a big hit and go ahead and send a screenshot anyhow. The option would be nice though...

Also, it should be noted that some of those "huge multipliers" that are seen on the stats page are smaller bets than you may realise. Playing just a few lines on a 15-30 line video slot can really make some of those wins look rather inflated (and impossible playing all lines).

That being said im thrilled with the information presented. I know it doesnt make a damn bit of difference but I decide what slots to play based on how hot they are at the moment.

[LaHutti]

Hi Guys

For a casino, privacy means - at a first level - protecting the data that would reveal information
about players. We have a very strict - non negotiable obligation to protect the private information
of all our players. That does not just include information like real name and address, but also how
much you deposit and or bet. I think this is self-evident - there's no way around it.

Transparency means being as open and informative as possible about the casino inner workings,
about the games, the tournaments and any other casino related items.

It is unavoidable that there are cases for which you cannot satisfy both conditions. We cannot
be transparent with player information since protecting players privacy is simply more important.

By listing wins as multiples of betsize, we are trying to be as transparent as we can about the
games, while maintaining the privacy of our players. From the statistics point of view it also makes
a lot more sense to display it as multiples of betsizes since those numbers give you a clear picture
on the types of wins that have occured on a particular game.

If we were to use absolute amounts instead - that would in fact be less transparent - as you
would always have to wonder if someone hit a real nice hit - or was just playing at very high
bet sizes.

Listing both would not teach you anything extra about the games at all - that would just be
releasing private player information. (i.e. who is betting at what betsizes).

LaHutti, there's only one way for the information you want to be shared and that is by the
players themselves - for example the screenshot thread here will show you a whole bunch of
nice hits at 3Dice - at higher betsizes - and shared by the players themselves.

It would be great advertising for us to put up the big winner screenshots - and believe me
there are plenty - but alas it is advertising we'll have to miss out on since player privacy is
simply more important to us.

When we designed the zeitgeist - we spent a substantial amount of time figuring out the
extent of information we can release without damaging player privacy. And even tho its
been online for over two years, I still believe that no other casino publishes any information
that comes even remotely close to what is published on our zeitgeist.

Is it great advertising that it displays that currently 51% of all withdraws have been paid
within 30 minutes ? Yes - but there's the slight detail that we also have to do a good job
before it can be considered any advertising at all. The real question would be why are we
the only ones publishing information like that - anyone any idea ?

We've tried to be as complete as possible when we built the zeitgeist, but if there's anything
that other casino's are being more transparent at, anything we missed, I'll be happy to
consider adding it.

Kindest regards,

Enzo

Thank you for replying.