who is a bonus abuser?!?

[padanian]

When shopping for new casinos to play with, I try to be careful to read T&C. It is not really for the bonuses, because the most of the times I do not ask for them. But they can be an interesting item in order to check their seriousness and their approach towards clients (or maybe it's just that I have a lot of time to loose or am still conditioned by the fact that when I used to live in Italy, I was a lawyer...).
It's really funny sometimes to read what they write about so called "bonus abusers", and the restrictions that people from certain countries face (that's a kind of approach that in many places would be illegal under discrimination laws).
Since there are several people from casinos monitoring this forum I think that it could be interesting for many of us to know their description of a "bonus abuser"? You know, sometimes when I see 25X, 30X, 55X WR implemented in order to prevent the action of bonus abusers, I have the feeling that for some casinos bonus abusers are just the players that are able to win something...

[Black21Jack]

A friend of mine was labelled a bonus abuser by simply depositing, claiming a bonus and then placing the minimum wager until he had met the requirements, then cash out with the bonus money and initial deposit. It is odd that they could do such a thing since the T&C's state that as long as the wagering requirements are met you are fine, no mention of a minimum wager. This was a long time ago and now he has learned that it is simply not worth claiming bonuses anymore.

[largeeyes]

A friend of mine was labelled a bonus abuser by simply depositing, claiming a bonus and then placing the minimum wager until he had met the requirements, then cash out with the bonus money and initial deposit. It is odd that they could do such a thing since the T&C's state that as long as the wagering requirements are met you are fine, no mention of a minimum wager. This was a long time ago and now he has learned that it is simply not worth claiming bonuses anymore.

I don't know why they even offer them. They don't want people to use them and when they do, they tell them not to come back. THEY MAKE THE RULES, if they are followed, it shouldn't be a problem.

[wassie]

Hi guys,

Another method of promo abuse is the following:

When the casino offers an interactive game promotion, and the winning coupon gets posted on the internet forums and the casino has proof that the players did not take part in the interactive game, then it is deemed abusive. There are also other forms of this.

Wassie

[Nidya]

Uh-oh. That sounds like my case. I hope cirrus will let my withdrawal go. *crossing fingers*

A friend of mine was labelled a bonus abuser by simply depositing, claiming a bonus and then placing the minimum wager until he had met the requirements, then cash out with the bonus money and initial deposit. It is odd that they could do such a thing since the T&C's state that as long as the wagering requirements are met you are fine, no mention of a minimum wager. This was a long time ago and now he has learned that it is simply not worth claiming bonuses anymore.

[Macgyver]

Most reputable casinos will, in fact, honor the withdrawal. Afterwards, however, is when they have the right to inform you that you're no longer able to redeem bonuses with them.

It's the rogues that just give you back your deposit, but keep your winnings.

Hence Bryan's "Pitch a Bitch" for these slimy ones ...

[virtualted]

Feelings from one RTG casino, we have two terms here, Bonus Abuser, and Advantage Player. A bonus abuser is just that, a player who might use free chip fter free chip, without depositing. Opening a number of accounts to take advantage of new player bonuses. Also a player who is skilled enough in the games, that he is able to make play through by only risking the bonus money, and not ever putting there money in play. We have never labled a player as a bonus abuser, who plays, slots ,keno,tri card poker,etc. But when a player makes a 1000 playthrough, by playng 1000 hands of black jack at 1 per hand, because those are the terms on say a free chip of $50, to cash out $20. We consider that player a bonus abuser. We do not ever stop that player from playing or stop the cashout, we just notify them that they are no longer eligible for certain bonuses, but we do reevaluate the players monthly.
We also have players who we deem advantage players, those are players who beat the casino time and time again, with or with out bonus. With those players we politely ask them to leave the casino, and we deactivate the account. No different than if a player is a constant winner at a B&M casino, sorry but we do have the right to exclude players.
I am only comming in here giving my casinos opinion, I am not speaking for any other casino out there. Also I am replying because a player asked a question of the casino side, I do not want this thread to get off topic, because I spoke up. If you have specifics for me send me an E-mail, and I will reply privately.
Ted

[snuf419]

Virtual,
Good you know you ain't speaking for others, that's why your casino is going down the drain by the day while Phoenician sucks in all the loyal players.
You ask people who win to leave, even without bonuses? Don't you think that's stupid? Your casino invested so much in this player already, and all your games have negative expectation meaning sooner or later he will lose...and you exclude him?? In BM they exclude players who count cards or something...I didn't know RTG offer this card counting button...must be new!



Going back to the topic, let me tell you what a TRUE bonus abuser is.
A smart one NEVER creates multiple accounts..NEVER! Nor do they wager minimum bets. Of course that is by definition what a bonus abuser does...but in real life, things like this never happen. They wager small bets..but sometimes BIG...and it depends on what type of bonus it is. They deposit they own money frequently too...just to make the casinos believe they are loyal and send in EVEN more bonuses. They charge back, yes, BUT only with places they truely believe they were ripped off (i.e. rigged software), can't get paid, and/or the casino/processor is unheard of. I personally did two charge backs before...all met the above requirements and I was compelled to do it because I predicted those casinos were going out of business...which they really did eventually.

[sw2003]

They deposit they own money frequently too...just to make the casinos believe they are loyal and send in EVEN more bonuses. They charge back, yes, BUT only with places they truely believe they were ripped off (i.e. rigged software), can't get paid, and/or the casino/processor is unheard of. I personally did two charge backs before...all met the above requirements and I was compelled to do it because I predicted those casinos were going out of business...which they really did eventually.

Wow you are basically begging the casinos to ban you right now if they find out who you are! Charge back? No wonder the casinos went bust if everyone did exactly what you did. You can get opinions/experience on most casinos just by reading the public forums without having to go in, deposit, play and then charge back based entirely on your own opinion of whether the casino's software is rigged. On the other hand, if you know the casino is rigged based on others' experience, why did you go in in the first place? Based on what you confessed here, aren't you a bad customer?

[snuf419]

No, very unlikely a casino will ban a player who deposits his own money 90% of the time. As I said, I only did 2 chargebacks in my life...both casinos (one was Netclubcasino and I forgot the other one's name) never paid me in 2 months and I had to charge back because if I didn't, my card companies would charge me. I had to do it to get my deposits back at least.

I haven't done charge backs since...partly because I don't deposit with credit cards anymore and mostly because I play with reputable casinos only.

I am not promoting chargeback, the question was about bonus abuser and I was just putting up a definition

Why are there always people in forums trying to fan a fire?