RTG Casinos

[Black21Jack]

I am a big fan of RTG casinos, as some of you may know from other posts I have in this forum. All RTG casinos have changed the software to a newer version recently with a few changes including multihand blackjack (only iNetBet I think), a mini game option to play a mini slot in the corner while playing other games, and some other minor graphics changes. My point is that ever since they changed to this software something seems really strange about the Blackjack gameplay. I find it impossible to win anything now, no matter what casino I play in. I have been doing tests and I feel (my opinion) that the software has definitely changed. You can also get this by playing in fun mode. Has anyone else noticed a change for the worse in the RTG casinos? I am just posting what I have noticed in my play, and I am definitely not basing this on any kind of calculations or anything like that. I have also noticed that the dealer gets a lot BJ's, and 21 totals. It is the same at all other RTG's I play (10 in total). Any experiences please.

 

[bethug]

bodog, had it first then inetbet casinos, i agree with you. The black jack seem a little differnent. but with that new bodog software i won a few thousand. May i am not use to be able to play more than one hand?

i also got blown out of intercasno, with out winning one hand out of 22.

 

[Freudian]

I am a big fan of RTG casinos, as some of you may know from other posts I have in this forum. All RTG casinos have changed the software to a newer version recently with a few changes including multihand blackjack (only iNetBet I think), a mini game option to play a mini slot in the corner while playing other games, and some other minor graphics changes. My point is that ever since they changed to this software something seems really strange about the Blackjack gameplay. I find it impossible to win anything now, no matter what casino I play in. I have been doing tests and I feel (my opinion) that the software has definitely changed. You can also get this by playing in fun mode. Has anyone else noticed a change for the worse in the RTG casinos? I am just posting what I have noticed in my play, and I am definitely not basing this on any kind of calculations or anything like that. I have also noticed that the dealer gets a lot BJ's, and 21 totals. It is the same at all other RTG's I play (10 in total). Any experiences please.

I played at Betnetclub, and I had the weirdest game of Blackjack. It seemed the Dealer couldn't bust. I had a very uneasy feeling and when my withdrawal is done I will request my logs. It played a very very strange game of blackjack. It seemed the number of high cards when the dealer was in a position to bust was very low. Much lower than just random distribution of chance. And I am not prone to hysteria. I have had bad beats in BJ before. But I have never felt anything like this, even when running bad.

Meanwhile, some other RTG casinos seems kosher to me, like Nostalgia.

 

[Black21Jack]

I played at Betnetclub, and I had the weirdest game of Blackjack. It seemed the Dealer couldn't bust. I had a very uneasy feeling and when my withdrawal is done I will request my logs. It played a very very strange game of blackjack. It seemed the number of high cards when the dealer was in a position to bust was very low. Much lower than just random distribution of chance. And I am not prone to hysteria. I have had bad beats in BJ before. But I have never felt anything like this, even when running bad.

Meanwhile, some other RTG casinos seems kosher to me, like Nostalgia.

Thats exactly what happens when I play, really weird. I have been playing Nostalgia, Leopard Rock, InetBet, Phoenician, Sunset Palace, Crown vegas, Sci Fi, Breakaway, and Gold Circle, and they all have been playing the same way. This is really disappointing considering that RTG was the best in my opinion, it seemed really fair but I will not jump to conclusions until I have more opinions and I will play more. One other thing i noticed is that when I have a 20, 19 if the dealer does not have BJ it's almost always a push. Or if I do get 21 it's a push.

 

[rayharold]

Rtg

I agree with the previous posts about Blackjack and RTG. I have noticed a considerable change in the RTG casinos I am currently playing. It is almost impossible to win.

 

[pokeraddict]

Well its nice to know I am not the only one that has been having mind boggling dealer suck outs over and over.

Maybe it is time to rethink my RTG places,

 

[Black21Jack]

Well its nice to know I am not the only one that has been having mind boggling dealer suck outs over and over.

Maybe it is time to rethink my RTG places,

How long has this been happening? was it always like that for you, or just since they changed the software? I used to love RTG, but its just recently for me.

 

[pokeraddict]

since they offered a second bet hand (that i do not touch) and the rebet option. Dealer getting several drawn out 21's in a row and virtually never bust. I am not a conspiracy theorist usually but it seemed odd software changed and the last 4 sessions I went bust way before I should have mathematically and was only up once.

Still of course noone really has proof, could just be a bad run. I have spanked the old RTG and been spanked back.

 

[Ping]

Why would you people play RTG, when you can play with LIVE online casinos?

Just wondering?




Ping

 

[bethug]

tried 4 low depoist, out of the 4 one good run. The second depoist had 3 black jack i a row, after that lost 8 hands in row. Cant really say either way. Worked 30 bucks into 440 the last run.
I mainly have to get use to makeing two bets , instead of one. I will try again tomm

 

[Black21Jack]

since they offered a second bet hand (that i do not touch) and the rebet option. Dealer getting several drawn out 21's in a row and virtually never bust. I am not a conspiracy theorist usually but it seemed odd software changed and the last 4 sessions I went bust way before I should have mathematically and was only up once.

Still of course noone really has proof, could just be a bad run. I have spanked the old RTG and been spanked back.

Exactly as I noted, as soon as they added the new rebet.

 

[Black21Jack]

Why would you people play RTG, when you can play with LIVE online casinos?

Just wondering?




Ping

Because as I told you, I think they are crap. I have a high speed connection and it is still horrible. I will never play a live casino again. If they were so great as you think, dont' you think the idea would have taken off? I don't know anyone who enjoys the gameplay at these live casinos except you. Maybe some do, but I hate them.

 

[pooter1]

Their blackjack really has sucked since the new software. I dont have any proof positive - dealer won this many and I lost this many stats, But I think something isnt kosher.

I have had way more than usual pushes on 21 and dealer blackjacks to my 20. It seems that dealer gets dealt low cards(2's 3's aces) if he has to draw and you get high cards if you draw (except on double downs where you get 2's and aces ).

Even had a dealer pull out a 7 card 18 to win over my 17. And a lot more 5 and 6 card 21's/20's to beat me. When is the last time you could pull 7 cards without busting?

Also had it push my hand 4 times in a row. wich is something I have never had happen before in my limited exp.

 

[cipher]

I am a big fan of RTG casinos, as some of you may know from other posts I have in this forum. All RTG casinos have changed the software to a newer version recently with a few changes including multihand blackjack (only iNetBet I think), a mini game option to play a mini slot in the corner while playing other games, and some other minor graphics changes. My point is that ever since they changed to this software something seems really strange about the Blackjack gameplay. I find it impossible to win anything now, no matter what casino I play in. I have been doing tests and I feel (my opinion) that the software has definitely changed. You can also get this by playing in fun mode. Has anyone else noticed a change for the worse in the RTG casinos? I am just posting what I have noticed in my play, and I am definitely not basing this on any kind of calculations or anything like that. I have also noticed that the dealer gets a lot BJ's, and 21 totals. It is the same at all other RTG's I play (10 in total). Any experiences please.

Well I just ran a session of Phoenician free play and it dosen't appear as though it's much off from where it should be dollar wise and win loss ratio.

I have encountered pretty much the same things that you've mentioned and I'll probably take a look at a real play session in the morning. I've attached the data incident to my free play session hereto. Have a good one.

 

[Black21Jack]

Well after giving over $3000.00 to various RTG casino's I played, and played, and played in fun mode, perfect basic strategy just playing and I cannot get up. The play is just rediculous. I have never seen the dealer get that many BJ's, 20's and 21's. The push on every good hand that I have is unbelievable. I can't believe they would start doing this (it is just an opinion, but I am pretty sure) they had a player for life, and have now blown it. Do they really think that players are that stupid that they would not notice a change? Im going to keep playing in the hopes that I am wrong because I loved RTG so much.

 

[Ping]

Because as I told you, I think they are crap. I have a high speed connection and it is still horrible. I will never play a live casino again. If they were so great as you think, dont' you think the idea would have taken off? I don't know anyone who enjoys the gameplay at these live casinos except you. Maybe some do, but I hate them.

I do have access to high speed DSL (about 512Mbps), and LIVE CASINO looks fine to me, at least at DrHo888.com. I am not sure about others, but I have tried Masterspin, and I have to agree with you, even with good connection, it sure looks a bit "crap", as you put it.

I am not a BIG gambler, as maybe most of you guys here. but what I am saying is between playing against a RNG and a LIVE online casino, I would play at a LIVE one, anytime, anyday ... of course, nothing will ever replace the experience and fun of a land based casino (but that's another story ... )



Ping

 

[sw2003]

I also do not like live casinos. They are too slow. Who wants to watch dealer shuffles cards, deals out hands, collects bets and distributes winnings.

The only reason that anyone would want to play at a live casino is the opportunity to count cards. Otherwise I have to ask, why do you enjoy playing
a slow game? You cannot get the casino atmosphere because you are not
physically there period.

 

[mucullus]

It seems that dealer gets dealt low cards(2's 3's aces) if he has to draw and you get high cards if you draw (except on double downs where you get 2's and aces ).

I can confirm this. Have a look at the screenshot, that happened quite often... (even in FUN mode!)

 

[cipher]

I can confirm this. Have a look at the screenshot, that happened quite often... (even in FUN mode!)

I've got to admit that you don't see 8 cards to a 20 very often.

 

[jpm]

I've got to admit that you don't see 8 cards to a 20 very often.

Especially not with 4 deuces in a row in the middle of it! Good lord, I hope you left after that hand. That's a major hint from the gambling gods that it is not your night.

Looks to me like the invincible dealer who was fired from microgaming has found a new home at RTG!

 

[m249a]

I simply gave up...I have been playing at land based and online for long enough to know the diffrence between a bad run and....dare I say it a rigged game...I have even played at less then reputable "under-ground" casinos and have seen better odds then I have lately @ RTG. The sheer number of high pushes and 20-21 wins from the house is ABSURD. I had only 3 accounts at various rtg joints, which are now closed. There is a diffrence, between a bad run and when the odds are clearly stacked against you. House edge or not, I have enough experience with blackjack to know that it is a BAD situation. I got a feeling some more players will be voicing similar experiences soon.

 

[cipher]

How long has this been happening? was it always like that for you, or just since they changed the software? I used to love RTG, but its just recently for me.

From tha data strips that I've reviewed so far it goes back to around the 4th or 5th of this month.

 

[caruso]

I've played hardly any RTG all month. What I have played has been high stakes and successful.

However, whenever I read praise for certain software types, and even when I mete it out myself, I feel a twinge. When is the PERFECT time to introduce a fix? Clearly, when player feedback is so positive that any criticism or accusations about unfair gameplay are liable to be dismissed out of hand based on players' positive past experience. I'm always waiting for this. We know the kind of people who are behind RTG, and I wouldn't put this past them for a second.

Players should always stay VERY alert on ALL matters of gamplay on ALL software types. The perfect time to stick the fix in is when players least expect it - and RTG feedback has been positive for a long time now.

NEVER be complacent, and NEVER buy bullshit "regulatory" statements, however honest and up-and-up you naively believe the issuer to be. It's your money, you have a responsibility to protect it and you can be damn sure nobody on the other side will.

 

[Black21Jack]

I've played hardly any RTG all month. What I have played has been high stakes and successful.

However, whenever I read praise for certain software types, and even when I mete it out myself, I feel a twinge. When is the PERFECT time to introduce a fix? Clearly, when player feedback is so positive that any criticism or accusations about unfair gameplay are liable to be dismissed out of hand based on players' positive past experience. I'm always waiting for this. We know the kind of people who are behind RTG, and I wouldn't put this past them for a second.

Players should always stay VERY alert on ALL matters of gamplay on ALL software types. The perfect time to stick the fix in is when players least expect it - and RTG feedback has been positive for a long time now.

NEVER be complacent, and NEVER buy bullshit "regulatory" statements, however honest and up-and-up you naively believe the issuer to be. It's your money, you have a responsibility to protect it and you can be damn sure nobody on the other side will.

I am very concerned about this especially if the individual casinos know that RTG has done this. I know a lot of RTG casinos are bad, but the few that are good namely from the Phoenician Group which has always been fair in paying, with customer service response, and they just seemed to be a very reputable group. I would always stand up for them and even promote them without being an affiliate. I wish the manager from Phoenician, or iNet or any other RTG would respond to this thread. From the posted experiences that this thread has generated it is not looking good for RTG casinos. It is sad.

 

[cipher]

I am very concerned about this especially if the individual casinos know that RTG has done this. I know a lot of RTG casinos are bad, but the few that are good namely from the Phoenician Group which has always been fair in paying, with customer service response, and they just seemed to be a very reputable group. I would always stand up for them and even promote them without being an affiliate. I wish the manager from Phoenician, or iNet or any other RTG would respond to this thread. From the posted experiences that this thread has generated it is not looking good for RTG casinos. It is sad.

I can tell you for sure that if there is anything untoward going on with the Random Number Generator at RTG, Dean Micheals at the Pheonician Casino will come down on Michael Staw and Realtime Gaming like a ton of bricks.

Having said that I've attached a Real Money session at the Phoenician from last night but I think I labled it as 6-24-04 instead of 6-23-04 as it should be.

Just to give you a sample, out of 64 hands played:

Dealer draws multi-card 21 against 19
Dealer draws multi-card 21 against 19
Dealer draws multi-card 21 against successful double down 21
Push on Blackjack
Dealer draws multi-card 21 against 18
Push on Blackjack
Dealer draws multi-card 21 against 20
Dealer draws multi-card 21 against 20

But the thing that bothers me more than anything is the multiple wins with a 12 to 3 ratio in favor of the house.

Last is the amount of what I refer to as "one and done wins" whereas the player has recorded 11 single wins versus the house having recorded only 3.

The winning clumps for the house are 3-8-2-2-3-3-3-6-2-3-4-2

The clumps for the player are 2-4-3

I know what I feel about numbers like this but I'll let everyone else form their own opinion.

I'll be posting another free play session recorded this morning in a while.

 

[Black21Jack]

I can tell you for sure that if there is anything untoward going on with the Random Number Generator at RTG, Dean Micheals at the Pheonician Casino will come down on Michael Staw and Realtime Gaming like a ton of bricks.

I would think so too, not just because this will hurt the business when people start realizing, but they are so straight at the Phoenician group, and Dean is very good with dealing with players and their concerns. The whole Phoenician CS is amazing. I just hope they get this straightened out soon.

 

[portia]

Have been a supporter of RTG sw and the very few well managed casinos, but the BJ and 21 games are NOT playing straight this month.

I'd like for some of the top notch casino managers to check it out with RTG.

I see Breakaway is offering repeatable 20% cashback on losses promo. No wonder they hit the gravey train with there sticky promos this month.

one player told me she lost 6 out of 7 attempts. Very few reporting winnings.

Caruso you were wise / lucky not to play RTG much this month.

 

[caruso]

Never mind the "top notch managers" - this is a player job.

Anyone with questionable results should approach the casinos in question to have their game logs provided by RTG. If they prevaricate / refuse, something is up and a boycott should be considered. Assuming the logs are provided, they should be pooled and analysed by a reputable, INDEPENDENT third party.

If they're found to be dodgy, big bad news for RTG.

 

[Phoenician]

for the record our house % is tracking exactly the same this month as it was last month for blackjack specifically. we always look into any issues that are brought to our attention in this regard. faulty software is as big an issue for any casino as the player so we do stay on top of this.

i have no issue supplying any players logs to the players just hit me up rather than support. or any other questions [email protected]


cheers




dean

 

[Black21Jack]

for the record our house % is tracking exactly the same this month as it was last month for blackjack specifically. we always look into any issues that are brought to our attention in this regard. faulty software is as big an issue for any casino as the player so we do stay on top of this.

i have no issue supplying any players logs to the players just hit me up rather than support. or any other questions [email protected]


cheers




dean

Thanks for posting Dean. As you know from my other posts your casino is my favorite and I always have backed up the Phoenician. I have just noticed some odd gameplay in all RTG casinos Blackjack.

 

[caruso]

Small sidenote on RTG blackjack: I contacted Michael Shakelford a while back to point out that his BJ strategy page was wrong, since now full peek has been reintroduced. He said he'd look into it. He's now corrected the strategy but NOT the preamble - he still talks about insuring AA v. A - and he never thanked me for it or gave me any credit.

Nice one, Michael.

 

[dominique]

I am in no way qualified to make judgements on software accuracy. BUT:

The sheer number of high pushes and 20-21 wins from the house is ABSURD.

This is something I have definitely noticed also.

I have been playing BJ at RTG before and do not recall so many 20-21 wins by the house. These were just constant lately it seems.

Could just be a bad run, but it sure did seem excessive to me.

 

[cipher]

I've attached a FREE PLAY session from one of the more popular RTG licensees that I recorded this morning. First off when I went to login I was advised of a new software upgrade that was available so evidentally there has been yet another upgrade.

I seriously hesitate to provide any information that would in any way identify this particular casino as I would not want people running there and getting clobbered in a real play mode. It should suffice to say that this strand is as wild as they come while at the same time being totally unbelievable. Have a good one.

 

[bewitch]

VERY INTERESTING!

I was never a big fan of RTG BJ games. I always had a feeling of the dealer is very lucky and I hardly manage my bankroll higher than the original. However, it's just a personal feeling. I consider myself NOT a very good player. Funny part is I like Boss BJ even some of you think it's rigged. It work fine with me....

 

[bethug]

yes something is wrong. o my. let me try three more times

 

[portia]

Bethug

It is funny. But truly if the SW is playing straight why not keep playing after a bad luck streak.

Problem is that if ,IF, the SW is not playing true for some reason, then u are truly stupid to go back and try again.
It can be a very expensive before you realize that something is not playing true.

 

[bethug]

Just normal losing streak
phonecian has the one hand black jack , which seems normal to me
inetbetcasino has the new two hand black jack, which seems ok, but alittle tough, cant come to conlusion. Why dont one of your math wiz play a million hands and let us know

 

[Sodax77]

... I know a lot of RTG casinos are bad, but the few that are good namely from the Phoenician Group which has always been fair in paying, with customer service response, and they just seemed to be a very reputable group. I would always stand up for them and even promote them without being an affiliate....

I agree every word. And casinos with RTG software, i play only in Phoenician and Nostalgia. Never any problem with these casinos (same group). Nothing unusual or unfair. Their customer support respond always in 5-15 min, and payout time is always 4-8 min (to this day). And if you send any feedback to their customer support, they take that seriously.
And i can tell you, that some casinos don't care at all your feedback, etc.
_______

And
Btw, thanks to some forums, i learn some new words, like "rigged", "scum", "crooked", etc
i can't add those words to Phoenician or Nostalgia, but i think some casinos receive those words (i don't say Casino names, but don't view my profile
)

 

[pooter1]

Cipher, is that a homemade program you have there or a bought one? I would love to have a program like that!

 

[cipher]

Cipher, is that a homemade program you have there or a bought one? I would love to have a program like that!

Hi Pooter; Thanks for your interest. Myself and another individual co-wrote the Cipher program some six years ago now and I've used it ever sense. We are currently re-writing Cipher in .net and I'll let you know when its finished.
Have a good one.

 

[cipher]

I Net Bet free play Cipher strand from earlier today.

 

[cipher]

I Net Bet free play Cipher strand from earlier today.

These are the attachments for I Net Bet

 

[emily_hanson]

Hello to everyone at Casinomeister,

Firstly let me state quite categorically that there has been no change whatsoever in the percentage return from Blackjack since the recent RTG upgrade.

I am not entirely certain what the above post is designed to prove or disprove, with such a tiny sample of hands played it shows a win in the favour of the player above the expected norm.

Let me assure every reader here that should any real evidence be brought to our attention that the game being dealt by RTG is not entirely random, rest assured we will be the first to bring about a very serious investigation.

May I respectfully ask the slightly more vociferous posters here to exercise some control in regards to their allegations of 'rigged software' and 'boycotts'.

Real Time Gaming has for over six years now enjoyed a reputation of total randomness and fairness vis--vis its software, a few sessions that deviate from the norm do not warrant these allegations.

As I alluded above, should there arise any evidence to the contrary, we will be at the head of the queue demanding answers.

Thank you for your consideration.

Regards
Emily Hanson
Manager iNetBet

 

[Sodax77]

"RTG dispute resolution service

Montana will help players with a problem
June 25, 2004

There was a time when turnkey provider Real Time Gaming took a strictly "hands off" stance when it came to player-casino arguments, but that policy has fortunately changed to keep up with the industry trend of more player-sensitive behavior.

The company has said that it is tightening up on licensee acceptance and monitoring, and wants to be in the loop if players are not getting satisfactory treatment from the casinos using its software.

Part of this improved service is a new complaints center, where players with a problem can make an online complaint that will receive prompt attention.

RTG has in the past been perceived as having more "bad apples" in its licensee barrel than is acceptable, and this move is welcomed. The proof of the pudding will lie in how attentive to complaints this new system is, and how fast it can get genuine player hassles resolved."

Old / Expired Link

complaints center > Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)
or
Old URL

 

[cipher]

Hello to everyone at Casinomeister,

Firstly let me state quite categorically that there has been no change whatsoever in the percentage return from Blackjack since the recent RTG upgrade.

I am not entirely certain what the above post is designed to prove or disprove, with such a tiny sample of hands played it shows a win in the favour of the player above the expected norm.

Let me assure every reader here that should any real evidence be brought to our attention that the game being dealt by RTG is not entirely random, rest assured we will be the first to bring about a very serious investigation.

May I respectfully ask the slightly more vociferous posters here to exercise some control in regards to their allegations of 'rigged software' and 'boycotts'.

Real Time Gaming has for over six years now enjoyed a reputation of total randomness and fairness vis--vis its software, a few sessions that deviate from the norm do not warrant these allegations.

As I alluded above, should there arise any evidence to the contrary, we will be at the head of the queue demanding answers.

Thank you for your consideration.

Regards
Emily Hanson
Manager iNetBet

Emily;

The nice thing that I've found in utilizing Cipher strands (albeit from the players standpoint) is the fact that Cipher strands accurately and concisely depict in a picture format what a player can expect from a particular casino.

I'd invite you and/or any of your technical people to dispute in any shape manner or form any of the data that might be produced through the use of Cipher strands and relative to your casino.

Cipher strands are only a compilation of data received by the player from RTG's Random Number Generator in a picture form. If that picture does not speak well of any casino it's not the picture's fault.

It is high time that casinos start backing up some of these wild assertions as to how straight up their randon number generators are with facts rather than print. It would seem to me that if a casino is running a straight-up game they would want that fact put out there. It works both ways.

 

[bethug]

just work 250 depoist at phoecincan casino to 1520, in one day of play, played red dog, black jack, war, tri card poker and barract. Got tore back at red dog and black jack is tight, but it seems normal.

 

[bpb]

Emily;

I'd invite you and/or any of your technical people to dispute in any shape manner or form any of the data that might be produced through the use of Cipher strands and relative to your casino.

She didn't dispute the shape or form of the data, she directly disputed the quantity of data as meaningful.

Perhaps you could arrange for a casino to provide you with a full day's worth of BJ data for all hands played by all players that day. This would be a statistically significant amount of data that could settle this issue.

 

[emily_hanson]

Thank you bpb, that was exactly my point.

I have no idea what a 'Cipher strand' is, neither have I any comment or opinion on its validity or its accuracy.

That said I am quite certain that a few dozen hands of Blackjack do neither prove nor disprove softwares fairness.

I do, however fiercely challenge your comment regarding 'wild assertions' I would politely suggest you look to your own allusions; I have made no wild assertions or claims.

Our Casino is now in its sixth year of operation with Real Time Gaming software, in that time to my knowledge there have been virtually no legitimate complaints leveled against the fairness of RTG as a software provider, that is a fact, no wild assertions there.

I repeat my earlier post, if there are any legitimate claims of unfairness that can be backed by some serious data, I assure you we will investigate any claim fully.
I am sorry but that does not include 30 odd hands of Blackjack data that have been extrapolated from one particular session and then fed into a system that (no disrespect Cipher) I do not believe anyone has any first hand experience of it accuracy.

One last point, it is also, in my opinion, the moral duty of certain people who are regarded highly within this industry not to subscribe to the I lost so they must be cheating syndrome. Certain posters at Casinomeister and WOL carry considerably more gravitas when they state a claim or opinion, so it is their responsibility to ensure they are 100% certain of what they are stating, prior to making or alluding to those claims. Lest this entire industry sinks into a quagmire of accusations and mistrust.

Thank you for allowing me to air my opinions.

My best to you all.
Regards
Emily

 

[cipher]

She didn't dispute the shape or form of the data, she directly disputed the quantity of data as meaningful.

Perhaps you could arrange for a casino to provide you with a full day's worth of BJ data for all hands played by all players that day. This would be a statistically significant amount of data that could settle this issue.

Gee Emily and bpb, maybe we could arrange that sort of thing in advance so that the random number generator can be adequately seeded. Ya think?

The quantity of the data is strictly dependant upon recording the data as it comes off of a live feed. It is what it is and there's no need for degree in advanced statistics to figure that out. Furthermore the sample is much more dependable when taking the data directly from a realtime feed and without prior notice to anyone or much less any casino.

Lastly, I seem to recall a good many players over the last six years that have encountered a great amount of difficulty in requesting and receiving the log data files (some of which have never been received) incident to their play and inparticularly with regards REALTIME GAMING. When utilizing Cipher that task is performed automatically.

 

[bpb]

Gee Emily and bpb, maybe we could arrange that sort of thing in advance so that the random number generator can be adequately seeded. Ya think?

The quantity of the data is strictly dependant upon recording the data as it comes off of a live feed. It is what it is and there's no need for degree in advanced statistics to figure that out. Furthermore the sample is much more dependable when taking the data directly from a realtime feed and without prior notice to anyone or much less any casino.

It agree that it is what it is. And while you can be assured that it is real and unmanipulated, you can equally be assured that it isn't a statistically significant sample.

What I would propose is this. Have a number of individuals play and record a number of hands at a particular casino on a particular day. Request play logs from that casino for all players on that day. You can then cross reference the known played hands against that log. If these known hand histories do not appear in the log, that that is absolute evidence that the log is doctored. If the histories do appear, then that is some reassurance as to the validity of the log. Then, assuming there is a statistically significant # of hands in the log, you can analyze that log for fairness.