Thoughts on bonuses

[dickens1298]

With the recent developments at Fortune Lounge and Belle Rock, it's easy to see that the trend is leaning more and more to a less "bonus-friendly" environment.

But can anyone blame the casinos? We often compare the online casinos with their brick-and-mortar counterparts, but how often do the latter offer such tempting introductory offers? Yes, land casinos offer loyalty programs, but so do most online casinos. And I would wager - pun intended - that the average online casino loyalty program is far richer than any that your favorite land casino can offer.

Bottom line, the online casinos obviously offer welcome bonuses as a marketing tool. With these welcome bonuses on the decline, can we not assume that either (1) this marketing strategy is NOT working and they're opting for a different approach or (2) the marketing strategy HAS worked and they now have enough critical mass in clientele to warrant limiting such bonuses?

[DealerBusts]

I think some good points have been made by dickens. I do think that ongoing bonuses are necessary to keep customers playing at an online casino because they do lack the atmostphere and interaction of land casinos.

If online casinos think they have reached the stage where they offer the customer a satisfactory level of service so that they no need to give bonuses then they are wrong. I do not think that casinos have improved significantly from a year ago with most casinos today still taking days to pay winnings, provide poor customer support, and require the hassle of sending documents.

Fairness is still an issue and until the industry gets regulated by an independant party, players will continue to get cheated by rogue software or have their winnings confiscated by rogue casinos.

At present, if good bonuses are not been offered, i do not see enough incentive to justify the hassle of playing online.

[Freudian]

I think you are wrong. I think bonuses work. They do attract customers. Problem for the casinos is that they attract both customers that are willing to gamble (and lose) a lot of money and they also attract bonus hunters.

I can't really see a way out for the casinos here. If they make the bonus offers too unattractive (or too complicated) they chase away a lot of potiential customers that would lose a lot of money in the casino along with the bonus hunters. And if one casino abandons bonuses while their competitors offers good bonuses, guess where the customers go. I think they have to find a middle way here. Bonuses that are decent. They will lose a bit to bonushunters and just have to treat it as a cost of doing business. The revenue the other customers bring in will cover that.

Anyway, I don't think bonus hunters are doing anything wrong as it is. I view them no differently than people using coupons in supermarkets. And I agree with DealerBusts, most casinos have not good enough service or speed when it comes to payment for them to treat it as some sort of competitive advantage. I am not going to be impressed with my winnings reaching my neteller account in a week when it takes the casino 10 secs to take my deposit from the very same neteller account.

[Jblack]

Perhaps they are testing the waters. They will soon find out what works and what doesn't. Personally I play Casino-on-Net because of there great bonuses they offer and I also do deposit frequently without a bonus.

The bonus ecourages me to come back, especially when I just lost my previous deposit. But this is me.

There terms are very simple, never had any hassle with them. My only problem with CON is that it can take a week to get paid.

[Ping]

I think ONLINE BONUSES are a big come-on, but the trend really seems to be more and more difficult to "take advantage" of the bonuses, like high wagering requirement.

What I usually does in NOT take their bonuses and play for a while then take any winnings afer the weekend (if there's any left of my deposit)




Ping

[jetset]

Good topic, and I look forward to a range of views on this thread for the interest of us all.

This is, I suspect a subject that is debated often by casino managements and one of the reasons is possibly that bonus disputes are too often the cause of friction between player and casino. And as smarter hunters have bitten casinos harder, so the casinos have had to tighten up the T&C's to the complicated levels we see today.

As others here have observed, there are also sensitivities regarding habitual bonus hunters, even when play is righteously in compliance with the T&Cs. The good operations will still pay (sometimes before lowering the banning hammer) but there is frequently that very human and largely emotional feeling that 'generosity' is in some cases being abused. I am of course familiar with the counter argument that the casinos design the promos etc etc.

Bonusing is still necessary imo, and I suspect it will remain so although I think a simpler formula might evolve. Setting it at the right level continues to present a challenge to operators as it has been for several years now once the initial stampede into this form of marketing had settled down a little. I know a number of casinos that are trying to strike a good balance between sufficiently attractive yet not OTT bonusing, and solid client retention techniques like attractive loyalty programs and better than average customer service in all respects.

Because the ideal outcome is obviously to attract new customers and then keep them coming back.

[two_card]

Land based Harrahs has given us airfare and RFB to New Orleans, Laughlin and Lake Tahoe from the midwest USA. We only play video poker. Harrahs cashback equals about 0.2%. They have no full pay video poker in any casino we play at.

The local riverboat (Boyd Gaming) has games as high as 99.9%. Total sashback is about 0.3%. All the meals and rooms you want. Five minutes away.

I never worry about being cheated or paid.

This is the competition for online casinos.

[dickens1298]

But would Harrahs give you airfare and RFB if you had never played there before? Bonuses from online casinos are given sight unseen, with the hope of some sort of customer loyalty; you have already demonstrated that with Harrahs.

Your situation is also somewhat different - few people live a mere 5 minutes away from a casino. I would reckon that for most people online casinos are more about convenience than anything else - the closest casino to me is an Indian casino which is about 40 minutes away.

Land based Harrahs has given us airfare and RFB to New Orleans, Laughlin and Lake Tahoe from the midwest USA. We only play video poker. Harrahs cashback equals about 0.2%. They have no full pay video poker in any casino we play at.

The local riverboat (Boyd Gaming) has games as high as 99.9%. Total sashback is about 0.3%. All the meals and rooms you want. Five minutes away.

I never worry about being cheated or paid.

This is the competition for online casinos.

[jetset]

Coincidentally, here's some grist for this mill - what do you guys think of this press release (I've blocked out the casino name in case I'm vilified for spamming!!!)

London, UK, June 21, 2004

XXXXXXXXXX have redefined the standard for bonusing casino players online with their unique 1%/10% bonus structure. Under this structure, players receive either 1% of their winnings or 10% of their losses in a retrospective bonus on the 1st of each month. This promotional idea is currently being run in conjunction with a generous 100% match deposit bonus.

Casino Manager XXXXXXXXX explained in a recent interview how this program allows XXXXXXX Casino to be more generous with their players, awarding them for their loyalty. "Online casinos have long had to set strict guidelines which players must follow to qualify for bonuses; however the XXXXXXXX program is a retrospective bonus which isn’t subject to abuse, so we can afford to be more generous with our rewards. This program is designed to benefit all players and ensure that everyone in XXXXXX Casino is treated like a VIP!


Cash Rewards have been part of the ‘high rollers’ packages at other casinos before, but XXXXXXXXX Casino is the first to bring high roller reward schemes to every member of the casino. The casino’s name is more than just a name and their unique Ultimate Cash Program proves it!


The Cash Rewards program pays the full expected 1% on monthly net winnings and 10% on monthly net losses without having to impose restrictions which are seen with promotions such as match deposits.

[two_card]

Another cassino, about 90 minutes away has a deal with Loews? hardware.

For every $10000 you wager in a calendar month, a $50 Loews gift card.
Have to reach $10000 and for every $10000 in wagers.
They set up a deal with Loews to get a percentage returned.
The cards are re-chargable so the casino does not hand out new cards all the time. Just ups the balance on the old card.

Loews gets customers and the casino reduces its costs.
A casino could probably work this with gasoline cards, phone cards, air miles etc.