Why do most casinos require that you wager the deposit and bonus?

[jpm]

They're not stealing the bet when the dealer doesn't peek and has a blackjack, its just a different variety playing by a different set of rules.

[jpm]

I am not sure what you mean, it does not make any sense your statement? I think you are agreeing with me that it is dump to require players to play the deposit and the bonus and not just the bonus?

I just mean that in most cases where you get 100% match bonus, 20x bonus is the same as 10x deposit+bonus, which is what many places require today. So it is no difference, unless you wish to deposit more than the matched amount. In that case, its good since you don't have to wager as much.

[HateMG]

Also, does anyone know when playing at Planet Luck, I global, do you ever use the surrender option and do they steal you extra bet if you double and the dealer shows BJ?

Planetluck and Starluck do take extra bet on your double and split against BJ. They don't check for BJ.
As I remember you should surrender on 16 against 9, 10, ace and 15 against 10 .

[chucho]

I just mean that in most cases where you get 100% match bonus, 20x bonus is the same as 10x deposit+bonus, which is what many places require today. So it is no difference, unless you wish to deposit more than the matched amount. In that case, its good since you don't have to wager as much.

So it is no difference, unless you wish to deposit more than the matched amount. In that case, its good since you don't have to wager as much.

If I get a sign up bonus which is a $100 match, 20x d + b wagering requirments, I will have to wager $4000. If I deposit $200 I will get the same match bonus but I will have to wager $6000, I have to wager $2000 more in order to cashin just because I deposited an extra $100. So lets say that I have wagered $4500 and they flip the switch and I am losing every hand. I want to cash out but too bad, I deposited $200 when I should have deposited $100 as I must play another $1500 in order to cash out. Sure I can play longer with the extra money I deposited but then again why not deposit $100 and then if I lose I can deposit $100 after I zero out.

[jpm]

Exactly. It benefits you if you want to deposit more and don't really care too much about the bonus.

[hhcfreebie]

If I get a sign up bonus which is a $100 match, 20x d + b wagering requirments, I will have to wager $4000. If I deposit $200 I will get the same match bonus but I will have to wager $6000, I have to wager $2000 more in order to cashin just because I deposited an extra $100. So lets say that I have wagered $4500 and they flip the switch and I am losing every hand. I want to cash out but too bad, I deposited $200 when I should have deposited $100 as I must play another $1500 in order to cash out. Sure I can play longer with the extra money I deposited but then again why not deposit $100 and then if I lose I can deposit $100 after I zero out.

It's not the case.
Most places (such as FL group) only calculate WR based on the bonus and the deposit that generate bonus.
If you deposit 100 get 100 and the WR is 20d+b, the WR is 2000.
If you deposit 10,000 and get 100, the WR is still 2000.
You can check their terms and conditions. They often give you examples what will happen when you deposit more.

[case]

Exactly. It benefits you if you want to deposit more and don't really care too much about the bonus.

You lost me here, jpm, but I think I'm probably misinterpreting what you say, since I can't imagine any situation where it's a benefit to have a higher WR.

I also thought most places only required wagering on the amount up to the deposit required for the max bonus.

If that's not true, it is tantamount to penalizing a player for depositing more. Seems like a poor move to me.

I, too, am curious why the WR is usually quoted as some multiple of (D+B).

To make the multiplier smaller (look, only 10X)?

To increase the difference between various percentage bonuses (a 10% bonus is less than half as good as a 20% bonus, since the WR for the 10% bonus is 11 x bonus x multiplier, whereas the WR for the 20% is only 6 x bonus x multiplier)?

Random historical decision perpetuated because there's no particular reason to change it?

I'm going to guess that it's none of these. I think it's probably the influence of an ancient alien civilization intent on studying Terran reactions to obscure rules.

But I could be wrong, I guess.



I remain,

[jpm]

I know it is getting kinda confusing here. I meant the intercasino way is good because they supposedly can't remove the bonus once you deposit and get it credited. So say you want to deposit $1000 there and its the first time this month. You'll get whatever the match bonus is automatically ($100 this month I think) and start playing. In most other casinos, you now have to wager 10x (or more) deposit + bonus, which is $11,000! For only what amounted to a 10% bonus. But here, you only need to wager 20x the bonus, which means $2000 in wagering. MUCH more reasonable considering its only 10%. And if you're depositing $1k, you're pretty likely to exceed that $2k requirement pretty quickly. Make more sense now case?

[Clayman]

You'll get whatever the match bonus is automatically ($100 this month I think)But here, you only need to wager 20x the bonus

I think the Inter bonus for May is $90 with a 25X requirement.

If one is not penalized with higher wagering for a deposit greater than needed to get max bonus, it's always worth a thought to perhaps deposit more to lower the risk-of-ruin.

[jpm]

You're right it is 90 this month, and I agree on the higher deposit part as well.