RTG software backend issues - RTP etc.

[vinylweatherman]

There is one thing that still puzzles me on the Fruit Frenzy issue.

I remember the guy who first saw it about 1.5 years ago said he had never seen that double pear before.
Same goes for me, I played that game alot and its not something you easily overlook, definately not if you're an experienced player.

I also remember looking at the RTG 'secret pages' that the lowest RTP setting displayed was 95%, (95% and 97.5%) so I assumed back then that the double pear indicated a 95% setting.
So the change made to FF was made after the game was first released.

Are there any other games that had the 91% setting added afterwards?And what about the new games?

I think they ALL did, unless they had it to start with. There must have been a REASON for this, and this might be that operators asked RTG to add this extra setting to those games initially released with only the two "online" variants. The pages originally produced were not then updated.

The apearance of the "2 pear" variant seems to have coincided with the increased feeling among players that "RTG have tightened up the slots".

Despite a campaign of denials from operators, we now know this to have been TRUE all along, and some operators have moved to the lower 91% setting "for business reasons". It is a change that is hard to prove explicitly, but is one that an experienced player "feels". The design cock-up on the 91% Fruit Frenzy variant is so far the ONLY piece of CONCRETE evidence that the 91% setting has been in use online. There is now no way back for RTG as a brand, we know the 91% setting exists, and is in use. There is no way this particular genie is going back in the bottle, and when players "feel" a casino has tightened up recently, they will assume that is has been a change to the 91% setting that has caused it, unless the casino can PROVE that they are using the 95% setting.

[silcnlayc]

I would like to know why all the casinos think that a $0 bonus round is ok? Why even have a bonus round if that is what you will get? There are so many more casinos that are opting for this kind of return to the player...why? Do they think it is a fair offering to a player after playing hundreds of dollars to catch this "coveted" bonus round only to get nothing or maybe a buck or two?

Who thought this up when creating the changes? It really would be interesting to find out why they have reverted to doing this. This, too, was not the norm but has become one and no one will say why they feel it is a fair return.

RTG, Rival and 3Dice are extremely guilty of this. Just my personal view and experience.

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[Nifty29]

I would like to know why all the casinos think that a $0 bonus round is ok? Why even have a bonus round if that is what you will get? There are so many more casinos that are opting for this kind of return to the player...why? Do they think it is a fair offering to a player after playing hundreds of dollars to catch this "coveted" bonus round only to get nothing or maybe a buck or two?

Who thought this up when creating the changes? It really would be interesting to find out why they have reverted to doing this. This, too, was not the norm but has become one and no one will say why they feel it is a fair return.

RTG, Rival and 3Dice are extremely guilty of this. Just my personal view and experience.

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Unfortunately it's one of those variance things.

If you want to be able to hit the 500+xbet bonus rounds you have to live with the ~0 ones too. You can't have it both ways.

The only way to avoid them is to have some kind of minimum win from the bonus round - but that would mean probably either less regular game wins or much lower maximum wins. When I talk about minimum wins I mean 30x+ as 10x isn't much better than 0 anyway.

It sucks but that's how it is.

[gambler777]

Caught AGAIN Tut Tut.......

Maybe detailed analysis of the reelstrips will blow RTG's cover on this.

BoDog may have the slots in their original 2007 reel strip configurations, and these can be taken as "before", and the same slots checked at casinos where players feel the payouts have been reduced to see if there is supporting evidence for this in altered reelstrips.

It would also be worth taking a "now" snapshot at some RTG casinos, and then some time later check again to see if any changes have been made.

Both iNetBet and Club World have stated that they have NOT messed with the RTP settings, and have always taken the games as delivered by RTG, which is the middle setting of around 95%.

Can we trust them enough to use their casinos as a "control" by assuming the reelstrips there represent the mid setting of around 95%.

I know this will cause some controversy, however, I have only been playing at Inetbet and CWC this year, and I have had more cashouts than I have ever had in the 5 years I have been playing online. Yes, I have noticed that my deposits more often seem to disappear without hitting anything, but when I get a streak, I seem to be able to cashout. And I very seldom cashout for anything less than 500.00. So I have been happier with them than most years. Still haven't hit a random jackpot but still have hopes. lol I am no expert on slot machines, I can only give you the result of my experiences. Have a great day.