Suggestions for the "no student" clause

[Casinomeister]

The Club World Casino group has a term in their terms and conditions that disallows them from accepting action from college students. This is how it reads:

Full-time Students who are enrolled in a College or University are not permitted to play in the Casino

For some, it's not clear enough. Please use this thread to make any suggestions you'd like the operators to consider. Thanks!

[ksech]

Thank you Bryan, perhaps the citizens of this community can work together to creatively and positively reconstruct a vague term into one that will leave no room for debate.

Off to ponder how I would like to see this reworded...

[silcnlayc]

1. Remove the term completely. Does not apply to gambling.

2. Remove all terms that are totally bogus (99%) IMO...get down to business of gambling.

3. Stop all bonuses that require playthrough. If you want to give a "thank you" for your loyalty chip...then do just that...GIVE IT with no strings attached, otherwise...don't offer anything..

Reason: If a person is old enough to play and has the funds, regardless of where it comes from (no ones business IMO), then that should be sufficient.

Other Reason: If a player is old enough to lay down his life for others (serviceman), the player is old enough to play , again, MOO. No need to nitpik and pick and choose which players are to be allowed in the door if they are "of age". Period. I can just see Vegas, carding people at the door asking for their "passports" to prove what location they are from..I mean, get real...if you want to be a casino....be a CASINO! Not my uncle, father ,mother..caretaker...

We have enough "babysitting" with our government I believe. That is why we are in this mess with online gambling. Too many vague terms applied to grown ups (people of age that can die, be locked etc etc for their decisions) in the name of "protecting themselves"...

Just a few suggestions..I know they will probably be ignored, but it is nice to give an opinion..of sorts

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[Webzcas]

Based on the rather long thread concerning this term, they need to clearly state that they deem a student as an individual who is in full time education, even during the summer recess/vacation/break. If the intent of an individual is to continue their studies after completing a course, once a new academic year begins - then that individual is still classed as a student by the casino.

I think also from an affiliate perspective, they need to provide this information to webmasters in any ad copy material distributed. I for one have been in this industry now for ten years, working for an operator and as an affiliate. Yet until this thread on CM was started, I was not aware of this no student term. So much for me doing my own due diligence when reviewing casinos.

( I have however highlighted this term on the review of Club World on my new site and will be updating the reviews on OCR to contain this information )

This term is fairly unique to Club World and as such listing it as term number 1 is not enough to publicise it IMO. They need to use their affiliates to also provide this information. Perhaps also, on the sign up a new account screen, the new player has to tick a box confirming they are not in full time education.

If the above was done previously, we would not be seeing a thread grow into over 40 pages.

[oldtrvlagt]

IMO the clause needs to be deleted all together. Why pick out this one segment of the population and why is it so important to them? If at my age (50 ish) I decide I want to go back to school full time am I going to be automatically banned from playing? First of all, how are they going to know? Who would think it would be any of their business?

I agree that they need the age clause (no one under 18) but full time student...come on....it needs to go.

[Webzcas]

IMO the clause needs to be deleted all together. Why pick out this one segment of the population and why is it so important to them? If at my age (50 ish) I decide I want to go back to school full time am I going to be automatically banned from playing?

I disagree actually and not to derail the thread I will explain why. A casino has the right to refuse anyone from playing at their operation, whether it be a land based casino or an online casino in this instance.

The problem however is that the casino needs to ensure that they communicate effectively key terms such as this no student term. Putting it away on the T & C's whilst at the #1 spot is not good enough. As we all know when installing software or doing anything online, hardly anyone reviews the terms, let alone look at the page where they reside.

Hence this term needs to be highlighted up there with the you confirm you are of legal age. As per my suggestion above.

This whole issue would not have generated 40+ pages, if Club World had highlighted this term very clearly in the first place.

[Zimbabwe]

I mean really...are they gonna stalk every single person and dig up the info and see if they are attending college etc or not?

I mean seriously...Are they also asking for SIN numbers? Who would spend the resources on hiring someone to track people and see if they are students or not?This is actually an "illegal" term and condition...

[ksech]

As many, I am sure will agree, the "Full-time student" term needs to be deleted. If the casino is so intent on "protecting" the student, then change the minimum age to 25 (MOST students will have finished college by this age). If they insist on keeping this term, they need to clarify (age) of who will qualify as a full-time student. With many ADULTS going back to school, whether due to advancing in a career or for situations (unemployed) not of their making, THIS needs to be addressed also.

Also, CWC needs to expand on its definition of "the area of Markham Ontario". This could affect many of its Canadian players without THEIR knowledge.

I sincerely hope CWC takes into consideration every comment (constructive) which is posted. In my personal opinion, it will show the casino group cares enough about their players to insure another travesty like the Danl issue doesn't occur again.

[silcnlayc]

oldtrvlagt: IMO the clause needs to be deleted all together. Why pick out this one segment of the population and why is it so important to them? If at my age (50 ish) I decide I want to go back to school full time am I going to be automatically banned from playing? First of all, how are they going to know? Who would think it would be any of their business?

I agree that they need the age clause (no one under 18) but full time student...come on....it needs to go.

I agree totally...it needs to be GONE!

Webzcas: The problem however is that the casino needs to ensure that they communicate effectively key terms such as this no student term. Putting it away on the T & C's whilst at the #1 spot is not good enough.

This is where the problem originates. Clauses that do what? Nothing. If they are going to pick and choose who they want to play at their casino, what will make them stop putting in ridiculous clauses such as , "player must have 2 legs, not be handicapped, etc etc.." Get the picture?

I mean, when is too much too much?

Webzcas: A casino has the right to refuse anyone from playing at their operation, whether it be a land based casino or an online casino in this instance.

Yes, casinos have the right to offer and refuse anyone from playing. But is this a smart business decision? I do not see many casinos choosing this line and terms as this is a most ridiculous clause I find...as you state the following:

This term is fairly unique to Club World

So...knowing most T&C's by heart, you have this one little blip that did not show up on the radar because it is an unknown....why do they want this in there? I cannot fathom for the life of me why any casino would ban or block players of age ....when you say casino can and do choose who plays at their casinos... I do not see anyone asking for "employment verifications" , passports, etc etc at any of the casinos to gain entry..to prove they can afford to play...

I mean, really, ...this is a very , very , bad and unique clause that needs to be thrown out completely....

I also wonder how many other "unique" clauses are put in and taken out arbitrarily....without a player knowing...

It really is time to get back to basics...the term "you play, you pay" is simple as can be...why so many convoluted rules???

Are they trying to be put out of business???

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[rockycatt]

The Club World Casino group has a term in their terms and conditions that disallows them from accepting action from college students. This is how it reads:



For some, it's not clear enough. Please use this thread to make any suggestions you'd like the operators to consider. Thanks!

Full-time Students who are enrolled in a College or University are not permitted to play in the Casino

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Add this only [ ALL STUDENTS UNDER THE AGE OF 27 YEARS OF AGE ARE NOT WANTED HERE ]

PS k i S S = keep it simple stupid , its a abbreviation from the world of sales , there's no easy way to tell some one to kiss off if you try it only aggravates them more