Maybe it is time....Maybe I am just venting.

[LHofsdal]

Hey there CM members,

I am not sure if this is the right place to post this, if it is not, I kindly ask the mods to move this post to the right place.

First, let me start this post off by saying that it has been very informative and educational, not to forget hysterical to be a member of this forum. I have learned alot by the posts and have been educated by the members here on the whole online gaming industry. And I have been entertained a lot by the posts here also.

After this whole mess with EwalletXpress, and not being sure if I will ever get the 10 grand in my account, and all my withdrawals that are in "Limbo" it has just left a bad feeling in my stomach. I don't know who to blame, but I can tell you all I do take most of the blame. After all I was the one gambling.

These are just my opinion and feelings, nothing I say I can prove as fact but this is the way I feel about it. But what I do know as fact, is that credit should be given where credit is due.

Kudos, to Tom, the ClubWorld Rep. I have been amazed on how much he has helped me to figure out where my withdrawal was. I really do appreciate all the time and effort he put in to help me.

A BIG THUMBS UP to the Jackpot Capitol group. They were the first one to tell me that my withdrawal was sent back because EWX was down. Thanks for being straight up with me, I appreciate it.

Inetbet, not sure what to say. You say my withdrawal was processed on 11/17 and sent to EWX, EWX says it is not possible because they were down on the 15th at approximately 4 PM EST. And other withdrawals that I had from other casinos were sent back to my casino accounts on the 15th and 16th. How the one withdrawal with Inetbet went through on the 17th is still a mystery. I made my last deposit today with this casino until this gets sorted out.

Maybe it is time to hang up my 'online' gamling shoes for awhile to see where things are going. I do believe that on line gaming has changed. But the question is who do we blame? The casinos, the software providers, or ourselves. I think all of the above are to blame. The sad part is, the casinos are out to make money, and the software providers are the ones to ensure the casinos make money and we the players are the ones giving them our money. What a nasty cycle...

More and more, members are posting how horrible their play time has been and how it takes hundreds of spins to hit a bonus round. I to have had that happen, I won't name the casino but 213 spins to hit a feature and then get 6.50 for it, is pretty sad. Now I read that Betfair has actually gone back into a players bank account and took back their winning. What the hell is up with that? I see that nothing is safe anymore. How many times have you logged into a casino to find out there has been a new update? You can bet these new updates are not anything in the customers favor. I have only been gambling on line just a little over a year, and I am just sickened by all of this BS.

Then you have these new e-wallets, charging accounts 2 or 3 times for the same deposits and then get nasty when you go to live help to figure things out. After all, why should they be nice to you when you are pointing out that the e-wallet made a mistake. Who the hell are we to question the double charges on our bank accounts?

Lets not forget Quicktender, who now only lets you deposit with your credit/debit cards at certain times during the day. For the life of me I still can't figure this one out.

I really wonder, what recourse do we, as americans, have with these casinos and e-wallets? We really don't have any. They can steal from us, lie to our faces, and what can we do about it? We can stop playing at their establishment, never use that e-wallet again and that is about it. But if we as players band together and say F'em, there really is strength in numbers. Instead of lining their pockets with our money and fill our own bank accounts, don't you think these casinos and e-wallets will start to feel the pinch. I really think they would and we would start to see a change.

If I really wanted to jump through all these damn hoops, I would do it with my hubbys wallet, just to take Aunt Visa and Uncle Mastercard out for a shopping trip. Now that would be worth it because I would have something to show for it in the end. I don't gamble on line to make a living, I don't gamble with money that I don't have and I don't use credit cards to gamble. I have been fortunate to win 2 RJP in my short time gambling on line. But with that being said, I am still sickened to see what other members have been going through.

Okay, I think I am done with my venting. Again this is my thoughts and feelings. I really do hope we start to see a change for the better and the not the worst. But at this time, I don't see it coming in the near future.

All, the best,
LH

[felicie]

Well I for one will miss your 'thoughts & feelings' around here and wish you all the luck possible in getting your money out, I'd feel sick too over that amount. So take care and maybe we'll see you when things look a little brighter.

[Nate]

Maybe it is time to hang up my 'online' gamling shoes for awhile to see where things are going. I do believe that on line gaming has changed. But the question is who do we blame? The casinos, the software providers, or ourselves. I think all of the above are to blame. The sad part is, the casinos are out to make money, and the software providers are the ones to ensure the casinos make money and we the players are the ones giving them our money. What a nasty cycle...

More and more, members are posting how horrible their play time has been and how it takes hundreds of spins to hit a bonus round. I to have had that happen, I won't name the casino but 213 spins to hit a feature and then get 6.50 for it, is pretty sad.

It is a nasty cycle indeed. The problem is that with money theres greed, all Casino's are in it for the money and not doing anyone any favours. They are nice to you only because they want your money. They don't care who you are and where you are from - as long as you speak their language - MONEY. They do not offer what B&M's do... They don't care and rather give u a $50 chip with a Max Cashout...

216 spins to get a feature is NOTHING... lol, try playing 700+ spins in one session and not even getting the feature... See attached for an example from 3dice Casino. I know, i know... The High Variance crew will pitch up and defend such a result. But i can go on posting spreadsheets from Their lowest variance games that exhibit the same behaviour.

Well, my post is not aimed at 3dice but giving assurance that you are not the only one thinking things are fishy. Casino games are all RTP based and every rep will try to dismiss this. You are not getting fair play time or the games are always weighted way too much in the Casinos favour. RTP's can be manipulated easily and we cannot confirm who has access to what.

Credit providers are becoming nasty and the law is closing in on greedy ewallet providers, casinos and the like.

It is a vicious cycle and will continue to be as long as their is money involved. It is no secret what Casino's are out to do... they are not here to offer you Support or Love (lol). They go rogue in an instant (Betfair), are underfunded and offer crappy returns. They cite stupid T&C's to rob people of their money (Hint Hint) ... They try to make you deposit more and more with the promise of upping your WD limits (VIPSlots) which is SAD to say the very least.

There are a few who are honest... but 99% of the industry is tarnished. The fewer deposits they have - the tighter they become... And suddenly you find yourself on a losing streak from hell...

I have been an avid player for many years and would have never thought the industry will develop into what it is today. I knew very little when i began to play. I chose to go with certain software providers on recommendation and I believe i was shafted thoroughly because i was stupid enough to keep deposting and feeding their greed.

I now know things that i did not know a few years ago. I have seen things i should have not. I do not want to start a conspiracy... and I will not delve into details. Take it as you wish.... But if you only knew...

See this attached screen shot from RTG's website... LOL (Need i Say more?)

Nate

[Nate]

Sorry,

Just for Clarity - The attached Spreadsheet is (From left to Right):

Date, Time, Game, Start Balance, Bet, Win, End Balance.

Everything highlighted in yellow equates to a ZERO Win.

Nate

[plasticnote]

Hi Nate:
I view your excel and feel cold. Are you sure that not a malfunction of server?
I sometimes lost few 1000s over a night of play but my balance is up and down not like this. This is a free fall

[jelsmith]

Ive had the same experience a lot of times as Nate.....thats par for the course on that game a lot of the time

[Nate]

This is a free fall

No - That is 3Dice ...

Im sure there was no malfunction. All the other games I played there had the same outcome... Win Small, Lose Big ...

See here for other Graphs depicting the same 'unlucky behaviour'

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...ers-diary.html

{/Derail}

With the problems facing Ewallets and Credit Cards - The poor folk in the US have it very tough. I agree 100% with LHofsdal - things are not looking any brighter with sudden rogue behaviour from well established outfits either. I for one, although not based in the US, am being limited on VISA deposits, MC is not accepted in most places and I am afraid to even use an Ewallet because of recent developements.

Nate

[AudiManinBoro]

Saying that I never normally have great luck at 3Dice either and in the past deposits have gone fairly quick, but currently im playing there on what was only a small deposit which has lasted so far for the last 3 days and im still roughly 10 times my starting balance. Ive gone up, iv gone down but ive had a cracking amount of playtime. Just goes to show.

[plasticnote]

I think OP has a point, the online gaming experiences are not as good as it used to be. It "kills" a lot of new/old players. It is a tough time for both casinos and players. I hope some big brands should not be short sights, because things will turn better, this is a business cycle. Keep player base, that is the bottom line.

Sorry for the derail.
Hi Nate:
I had a 3Dice account, from my personal experience, the variant is just too high. I think in such a tough time, their developers should lower a bit variant. Like what they did to SuperSuite+. Rather give 1 player 1000x wins, it maybe better pay 10 player 100x wins.

Hope I am right here.

[mrjones]

hi i dont seem to have as many problems with 3dice as you guys seem to have, i have good fun & plently of play time there , but after my recent winning month at mg casinos , im sad to say ive given them it all back plus another 2k or so , you think 3 dice is bad ?, well try mg casinos there even worst & the two casinos i play at are the big ones , nothing 100s & 100s of spins of 2.50 plus if i am lucky to hit a feature it pays so bad you would be better not having it , im lucky i can play whatever software being in uk , but i would like to say to you usa guys atm your best NOT playing the games we can , because you will save alot of money , theres been alot of spec lately about things not being right & have been seeing this over my last 3 weeks of playing at mg casinos the payouts are just very very poor , so far on lucky ba$tard slot (uk AWP ) 700 spins still not got 2 sets of black bars in thats very bad in any play , yes i know its high vari but not to get two sets of black bars in all those spins isnt right to me & i could go on . but pointless time for me also to take a break for a while as im not finding it fun atm , best to leave it & save some funds .