How would you feel if a bonus was structured like this?

[Jasminebed]

ss, double post

[rockycatt]

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[rockycatt]

Yeah, I figured out the method of madness behind 3Dice's
low 5, 10 & 15 X WR on the Deposit + Bonus...

It's because it's unlikely you'll get to surpass the low
wagering requirements there to make a cash-out.

i dont see what your getting at besides spotlighting some dialog from enzo

but i think he is trying to tell peeps not to be grandiose in there gambling mind set

as far as there bonuses go 5x ive never failed to make w/r there now cashing out after making w/r is another thing if i deposited 25.00$ and come through with 40.00$ im not going to bother them to pay out under 100.00$ so im looking for a 75.00$ gain to make me happy and be fair to 3 dice , not to ask them to pay a lot of mini payouts

enzo and the dice team really dont need any help proving any thing

but i make this comment for the new player with a thirst for fair gameing

further more this is not a shot at you its just my honest opinion
theres way more to dice than meets the eye [experience the 3 dice family of friends ]
thanx for your time R C

[incrediblestuff]

hi jstrike:

im only interested in bonuses when im low on cash, and then id mostly go for a 100% match, with low playthrough (max 40x dep+bonus)

other then that, the only bonuses are cashback, and no deposit bonuses, if possible w/o playthrough or in case of NDB abig playtrough with no silly max withdrawal of ten times bonus.

thats all i have to say on bonuses

other promotions/extras would be a nice vip program, either including the prementioned bonuses or with some new ideas...
GL with your casino, and im waiting anxiously to see

[chayton]

There was one casino I played at (can't for the life of me remember who it was - for some reason I'm thinking Spin Palace but I could be wrong) that used to not give a bonus til after you'd deposited and played. If you won on your deposit and cashed out, you didn't get the bonus, if you lost the deposit then you got the bonus - sort of a second chance deal or a 'consolation' bonus. Then the bonus was subject to WR.

I liked it - my original deposit didn't have any kind of strings attached so if I was lucky enough to hit something right away (yeah right) I could still cash out and forfeit the bonus bucks that were coming. If my luck sucked (more believable) I knew I'd get another chance.

JF has a similar deal going on right now - deposit at least $50 and if you don't cash out, you get some free spins or something.

Those kinds of bonuses appeal more to me because if I take a bonus I don't do it so I can bet higher, usually it's just to play longer. But that's just me.

[X-Raided]

i dont see what your getting at besides spotlighting some dialog from enzo

but i think he is trying to tell peeps not to be grandiose in there gambling mind set

as far as there bonuses go 5x ive never failed to make w/r there now cashing out after making w/r is another thing if i deposited 25.00$ and come through with 40.00$ im not going to bother them to pay out under 100.00$ so im looking for a 75.00$ gain to make me happy and be fair to 3 dice , not to ask them to pay a lot of mini payouts

enzo and the dice team really dont need any help proving any thing

but i make this comment for the new player with a thirst for fair gameing

further more this is not a shot at you its just my honest opinion
theres way more to dice than meets the eye [experience the 3 dice family of friends ]
thanx for your time R C

I respect what your saying Rockycatt but I'm speaking from
my personal experience at 3Dice.

I think 3Dice is not for the $10-$50 depositors. I failed to make a cash-out
numerous times with low deposits there.

3Dice is one of those casinos where you deposit big and you win big IMO.

Also, that quote I put from Enzo was just a reminder, not some sort
of shot at him.

But back to the bonus issue and topic of this thread,
I still think the bonuses at 3Dice have lower WR because
it's harder to make a cash-out there.

[elscrabinda]

You say you don't like complicated bonuses and then you expect your players to get their head round a bizarre formula?

Also, in your example where the witholding carries over even if you lose your entire deposit and bonus, what possible reason is there for a player to deposit a second time after losing their first when they could just play at a different casino with a clean slate?

Your first idea was much better (a good loyalty scheme) and much more likely to attract and retain the kind of players you want instead of professional advantage players who are the ones who will bother to learn your complicated system.

[jstrike]

I know this sounds kinda nuts, but I believe in making withdrawals really easy. I think the first deposit should be hard, and I'm looking at setting deposit limits at the beginning. I think if players know they can't deposit again for a week, they'll be less likely to withdraw their entire balance. Kind of like reverse psychology.

As far as the bonus -- I think I can make it clear. I really want it to be clear. In the most basic terms, it's a simple 15x requirement. The only thing different about it is that the WR are met in realtime, and they're rolling. The bonuses won't be treated like separate money that you can't pull out until you've cleared the whole thing. For every 15¢ you play through, you clear 1¢ of your bonus for withdrawal immediately. Or you get the same amount of credit against your next bonus WR, if you've already cleared the last one. And it's done by keeping a running "withholding" on each player's account.

If you get a bonus for $10, you get a withholding of $150, that applies to your whole account. For every $15 you play, your withholding goes down by $1. The player can see the exact withholding and exact withdrawable amount in real time. If you play more than 15x, your withholding will go negative. If your withholding is down to -$150, then the next time you get a $10 bonus your withholding goes back up to $0, which means you can withdraw that bonus immediately if you want to. So if you meet the WR for one bonus twice, the next bonus has no WR. If you don't meet the WR for the first bonus, the next bonus has its own WR plus whatever was left over from the first bonus.

That's why I think it will encourage long-term players instead of players who hit and run. Does that make more sense? ...Jasmine, I'm still testing this idea out which is why maybe it sounded unintelligible the first time I wrote it...but definitely if I'm going to go with it, the key will be to make it really easy for the player to figure out exactly where he or she stands at all times re. the WR. So this is a good thought experiment, asking the question here.

[jstrike]

Okay. I worked it out. Real simple, I think this is what I'm going to do:

30x play-throughs on all bonuses and comps. It's rolling, so it's immediate: You get $1 of your bonus freed up for every $30 you play. If you lose the bonus and the deposit, the house will clear your remaining WR as long as you haven't withdrawn since you got the bonus. If you win with it, and play more than the WR, the extra plays roll over into your next bonus, making the next one easier to withdraw. Bonuses around 25%. End of story.

How does that sound?

[Jasminebed]

That does sound much simpler. I'd think you would find players would be happy to take a 25% bonus if winnings were withdrawable at any time. You might not even have to roll it over $1 at a time, Microgaming players are used to $10 at a time, so you could do $5 at a time and still have happy customers.

If you plan on having 30x wagering on comps (if you mean loyalty rewards instead of free chips), that's a bit steep I feel.

If you mostly have table games, you may have to weight them for WRs. But don't make any play restricted, or grounds for voiding winnings please. But you'll want to make hedge bets on roulette or such not count towards wagering.