How does a Casino decide, "Whom" to Cheat?

[love2winalot]

Hiya: If you look around you see that almost EVERY Casino, and EVERY software provider, has been accused of cheating, adjusting the software, or other such things, quite often. Some, more than others, and the player gets wiped out.

At these very same Casino's, and these same Software providers, you see Winning Screenshots, and post of players winning, and getting paid, and the games going down in a ngative varience, and also up into a positive varience, and ending up where they are suppose to. and the like.

So, for the sake of this topic, lets say, "BOTH", are true. Because we have people, on both sides of the issue, that swear one or the other is true. If both are true, then what is the Casino using as the qualifying determination to switch from Normal game play, to Adjusting the Odds even more in the Casio's favor game play?

Casino: "OK, Lets take this guy out". Ah hahahahaha. Now YOU are broke. This is not about, WHAT they did, or HOW they did it, this is about, 'Why YOU", and even, "What about the other guy, he won even more than i did, and you paid him?

Kind of like your Older car getting stolen, but right across the street the neighbor has the exact same car, but his was fixed up, new paint/tires, and so on. Why did they steal your car and not his?

Your thoughts? On the casino, not the car.....hehehe

[rouletteguy]

Software can be alot faster and smarter than us the famous unbeatable chess computer is the grand daddy to casino software. Most believe you place your bet then your given a losing outcome. In that case we're all screwed,
Some believe the computer analyzes your betting strategy first and based on your past history produces an outcome to make you lose (The ole hit and run roulette strategy counters this)

If I were doing it I'd have the machine programmed to note your starting balance and never let it exceed 20% profit. I have played a few casino's where I could like clock work win 9 bets in a row then 8 then 7 etc. a big bet to recoup was followed by a series of losses until I was at the point in scale I was supposed to be. To me this is RTP roulette. You cannot win alot because it is not random. you can win 10 bucks then start losing.

I've also played and been successful only to log in and find they have changed the table limits to less than desirable, So you got a fair game there until you win. they can't alter odds of the game through software so they limit your ability to bet big and recoup.

The one I hate is only a theory but it is the RNG that sits idle. there is no point leaving and returning later because it will wait for you and you will be playing through the same losing streak you left.

Then there's the server glitch in live games where you just know your gonna lose because of that big pause.

I never really answered your question of how they choose who will lose sorry about that but I don't think every individual's play is monitored either we as humans will never fully trust anything we can't physically see and touch so even if the croupier had our best friend pointing a gun at his head if we lost we would be convinced our friend took a bribe and made us lose.

"That last pause due to server glitch he put the money in his pocket I know it"

Another thing that bugs me is the issue of multiple accounts if you have 1 and only 1 at the casino you can very easily be tracked in losses and successes number of deposits etc. You lose your anonymity due to this. If you do not take a bonus you should not need to register SFA in order to play just certify being old enough and agree to prove it later should you win.

[manofsteel]

I have seen casinos (Microgaming monthly reports) publish RTP rates of over 100% on their table games. I imagine this would be a very unusual month though. Do they also cheat on those reports? If not, then the casino software must be broken in these cases.

From a software side, this would seem to be very difficult to do without taking randomness completely out of the game. If the casinos were forced to resort to cheating to keep a certain RTP rate, then it would probably have to account for an entire user base rather than just one user. For example, one player places a decent bet, wins, withdraws the money and never logs in again. The software would have to push this mismatch to other players for this system to work properly.

The software would also likely have to build a profile for a player over the long term to figure out the patterns of that user to be effective. How many players don't play long enough for the system to build a profile? Another example would be a user who typically bets the minimum to find a pattern and then flat bets $100 when that pattern hits a favorable point. Is the software going to make that person lose every time he/she makes the larger bet because it makes the software freak out?

However, I don't think it would be that complex. Doesn't the house edge mean anything? Theoretically the casino should be overall ahead because of the house edge. If the casino wanted to cheat, then it would likely only need to alter one result periodically of a typical game to push that house edge just a little higher, and just a small push would translate into much greater profit.

If this were the case, then the casino likely wouldn't need to make enough of a change that it would be suspicious to users. Again, the casino likely wouldn't need to make a big change to the house edge of one user, but rather it could rotate that change throughout the user base.

To me, the real question is, are the reports which certain casino's publish trustworthy? If so, then perhaps the solution to the conspiracy theorists would be to play at those casinos. I don't know if this would satisfy the slots people though. At least with roulette it's easier to see how the game should pay out as it has less variance than a high variance slot.

Just imagine the feature list for rogue software...

*Random cheat mode!

*Imitate software timeout on big bets from random players!

*RTP enforcer!

*Casino phone system. Filter out calls from customers who just got screwed! The phone rings but nobody picks up!

*Virtual customer support! Customer service bot repeats same stupid answers chosen based on our chat question analysis algorithm. (currently in beta, expect users to be extra frustrated if you use this.)

[Rusty]

From a software side, this would seem to be very difficult to do without taking randomness completely out of the game.

I wont make yet another long winded post but whether you believe the software to be fair or less than fair this is a false premise.

[blacklabrador]

I can honestly say I am up overall on the year total from the 4 casinos I have played at. I would be up another grand if I didnt fall into the 3dice trap, that casino has been deleted so I am down to 3. If I thought at anytime I was being cheated I simply would only play at land based casinos. I had a rough year in 07 but 08,09, were overall winning years for me and 2010 is about to be as well. Keep in mind though I play video poker more than 60% of the time so my chances are much higher of turning a profit.

[skiny]

They wait till I log in.

[jelsmith]

Me too

[voltage1]

Here comes skiny ......Quick ... tighten em up !!!

I have felt the same before

[SlotsLover]

Hiya: If you look around you see that almost EVERY Casino, and EVERY software provider, has been accused of cheating, adjusting the software, or other such things, quite often. Some, more than others, and the player gets wiped out.

At these very same Casino's, and these same Software providers, you see Winning Screenshots, and post of players winning, and getting paid, and the games going down in a ngative varience, and also up into a positive varience, and ending up where they are suppose to. and the like.

So, for the sake of this topic, lets say, "BOTH", are true. Because we have people, on both sides of the issue, that swear one or the other is true. If both are true, then what is the Casino using as the qualifying determination to switch from Normal game play, to Adjusting the Odds even more in the Casio's favor game play?

Casino: "OK, Lets take this guy out". Ah hahahahaha. Now YOU are broke. This is not about, WHAT they did, or HOW they did it, this is about, 'Why YOU", and even, "What about the other guy, he won even more than i did, and you paid him?

Kind of like your Older car getting stolen, but right across the street the neighbor has the exact same car, but his was fixed up, new paint/tires, and so on. Why did they steal your car and not his?

Your thoughts? On the casino, not the car.....hehehe

If a casino could cheat specific players, why would any casino ever lock out a player for any reason or even refuse to give them promotions? Why would they be concerned about multiple accounts? As soon as they found out someone was taking on multiple accounts, rather than lock them out or confiscate the winnings, the casino could just make them lose.

Seems to me there is a lot of logic that points to most casinos not cheating players (not to say this never happens, especially at places with proprietary software).

[Rhyzz]

This kinda relates to what has been discussed over software providers changing their RTP's on the fly.

Personally I don't believe it can be done, at least not at any operator licensed in Alderney/IOM/Gib/Malta. These places don't cheat anybody, it's gambling, ie) luck. I've had incredible runs of both good and bad luck. I put £100 into 32Red one day and took over £3k off them within an hour, I just kept hitting the maximums in bonus rounds...then you move on and get spanked!