Microgamings idea of random

[Rusty]

Slot Mega Moolah 5 wheel drive.
lines = 15 bet= 60

Total spins 250
spins before win greater than x3 hit 160!
Largest win x8!
Jackpot attempts given Zero
Free spins won Zero
RTP 50%


MG's random.txt

Please come again.

[mrjones]

its RANDOM honest !

[liquuid_fusion]

I expect the average RTP is pretty low anyway considering it's a Progressive version, maybe 90%.

Pretty unlucky there though!

[mrjones]

you should try roulette for even worst results at mg casinos , i could safely say another slot type of play. but they keep telling its random . what would be the odds of covering 83.6 on the single numbers & losing 10 spins ???

[love2winalot]

Hiya: MrJones. You had bet 31 of the 37 numbers. Please post the 6 numbers you did not bet on, and i will scim through my recorded Roulette results and give you a, "Better/Real World" answer to your question.

Here is a real example of real spins. you bet the 0, and leave numbers 1-6 open. breaking it down into 111 spin sequences, here is some results of most losses in a row. 2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-2-3-2.2-2-3-2-2-4-2-2-2-2-2. This is the results of a total of 1554 spins.

Using this as the true life example. Here are your results.
Bet $1 ea on 31 numbers. = +5 on a win, and -31 on a loss. My initial review showed 4 losses a row as the most. Also, were you just flat betting?

Oh, for anyone interested on this, if you decided to use a progression, betting this many numbers, here is the deal.
$1 bet on 31 numbers, is +5, or a loss=-$31 on that spin, and -$31 total
$7 bet on 31 numbers, is $4 net, or a loss of $217 on that spin, and -$248 net
$44 bet on 31 numbers is $3 net, or a loss of $1364 on that spin, and -$4836 net

Most casino's have a $25 max bet on a single number. So, if you had bet $1, then $7, then $25, you have a net loss of $1023 every time #'s like 6-2-4 hit in a row. If you had bet like this for real over the 1554 spins, you would have a net gain of $1305. But one more loss when they hit 3 or more in a row and you net gain goes down to $282, and of course 1 more loss and you are at minus $740, and need 165 wins in a row to get back to positive.

[mrjones]

hi love2win . neighbours bets mainly , these are numbers missed , 7,28,29 ,0 3,35,15 ,26 last 4 spins was by memory was what came in . 15,32,15,32, what are those chances total loss just in those four spins over 500 pounds, tbh im thinking that the software knows where my bets are placed , ive done maybe of 10,000 + spins at mg casinos & can vouch that pretty much 9 times out of ten you know you get that little pause then you already know your going to lose it hits these uncovered numbers by the book most of the time , time & time again i hear that these are random , i just cant get it round my head ,if its a machine it knows ,if it was live i wouldnt even bother to mention it.

[love2winalot]

Hiya: Mr Jones, at the 4 Queens, here in Las Vegas, i have seen the number 6 hit five times in a row. At the Flamingo i have seen this hit in a row, 7-12-12-7-12-7. So Yes it is rare, but things like this DO happen every once in a while.

THE RNG has Idenified my betting pattern, and is MAKING me Lose.

This has been said a lot. The Casino, and type of RNG does not matter, there are Players who Truely do believe this. To those players I say this, "Hit the REPEAT Bet Button, and after that remove a couple of chips, and add a couple of chips someplace else, then hit SPIN.

If you think the Casino is not giving you a fair game, cash out what ever is left, and go play someplace else. If you think, "All" casino's on the Net, do not give a fair game, Then don't gamble on the Net anymore.

[Rusty]

Hiya: Mr Jones, at the 4 Queens, here in Las Vegas, i have seen the number 6 hit five times in a row. At the Flamingo i have seen this hit in a row, 7-12-12-7-12-7. So Yes it is rare, but things like this DO happen every once in a while.

THE RNG has Idenified my betting pattern, and is MAKING me Lose.

This has been said a lot. The Casino, and type of RNG does not matter, there are Players who Truely do believe this. To those players I say this, "Hit the REPEAT Bet Button, and after that remove a couple of chips, and add a couple of chips someplace else, then hit SPIN.

If you think the Casino is not giving you a fair game, cash out what ever is left, and go play someplace else. If you think, "All" casino's on the Net, do not give a fair game, Then don't gamble on the Net anymore

You could also add that you could try to make things fairer by bringing issues to light and publicising them.

If I were testing the roulette I would bet 36 numbers which would give a clearer indication if there were any manipulation of the results. (I know you can't win but this is a test)
You would still need an awful lot of data though before you could make any reasonable conclusions.

[love2winalot]

[quoteYou would still need an awful lot of data though before you could make any reasonable conclusions.][/quote]

Hiya: This is totally correct. Not only would you need a lot of data, but you would need data from different sources, Different On Line casino's, Different RNG's, and then be able to compair that data with, B&M Casino's Results.

This would require some kind of Nut Case to be the guinnie pig to do all this. They would have to move to a Casino town like, Las Vegas or someplace. They would have to walk around like an Idiot recording all the results. They would have to open several On Line Casino accts:, and record all the results from there. They would have to be risking their own money, and not just playing for free. But where on earth could you ever hope to find such a person? hehehehehehe........

[Nifty29]

Slot Mega Moolah 5 wheel drive.
lines = 15 bet= 60

Total spins 250
spins before win greater than x3 hit 160!
Largest win x8!
Jackpot attempts given Zero
Free spins won Zero
RTP 50%

C'mon Rusty. You have been around long enough to know that 250 spins means absolutely nothing when it comes to measuring RTP - and also to know that a progressive slot will pay a lower RTP on the reel portion to pay for the progressive jackpot.

The results you posted could be of a random nature - just about any results can be random, as they are just that - random - and future results do not depend on past results.

If you suspect that these games are not random, then why do you continually play them???? ]

Coming back time and time again making these 'casinos cheat' statements while continuing to play reduces the credibility of those statements to zero IMO. I mean, you obviously dont give your own thoughts any credence as you just keep playing, so why should anyone else??

Post something like "I think all casinos cheat and arent random and I am never playing another cent as a result" and you would have my respect for sure.