3dice - Poor Returns

[Nate]

Ok so i signed up about 4 months ago because some people were raving about 3dice...

So let me tell you how it went.....

Customer Service - 3x better than any other Casino ive played at
Withdrawals - 3x Faster than any casino ive played at
Comps - 3x More than any casino ive played at
Payouts - 3 x Tighter/worse than any casino ive played at....

Well im almost falling off the bridge after having loyally deposting there for almost 4 months... Ive made very reasonable deposits... sometimes near 3-4k in a single session....

What have i won?

I've had a few great hits... best being a 350x bet on stickshifter for $3500 ..
Did in change how far down the hole i was? - No - Well in any event it took about $700 in $3 bets and when i upped my bet to Max ($10) out of pure frustration, i got the FS and hit the above...

Took on other slots with my Bankroll of $4000 - playing bets of $4.50 and it clean wiped me of about $2200 without a free spin - yeah seriously... I had to run for cover and tried other games.. anyways - the end result was a huge loss

I have subsequently deposited over 200 times (im certain) with my deposits being in the region of close to 15k thus far... Enzo and Anna were superb with the comps... and im serious that i received Tons of comps with No WR... What did i make of those comps? Squat....

See the thing is, when you deposit big amounts, small amounts, huge amounts or vary your bet accordingly, it doesnt make a difference at 3dice. I thought id stick the 'Bad Run' and id soon have a decent balance to boast about... Not so... There are plenty of hits in the Winners Screenshots, but they are misleading because you lose 95% of the time.... Well at least in my experience...

It doesnt matter what game you play - Low Variance / Medium variance / High Variance / Very High Variance - The end result is that the Slots are extremely TIGHT.... you could play 400-500 spins on a medium variance slot without once hitting a line win over 20x bet... You can even play on the lowest variance slot and not hit a free spin for ages... On the other hand you can play the same slot for 5 hours and only get a hit near the end..

There have been days where ive been fortunate to get a few hits to up my balance... those days are FEW and FAR between... So ive made Big bets (Max), small bets, medium bets and the end result is the same... u deposit - never go over your start balance 90% of the time and bomb out.

This is my personal experience - I know what slots i've played, how they've paid and what the end result was - dont be fooled by seeing that a players return on a particular Slot is 100% - The end result and what you cash out is what matters - As somebody hihlighted in another thread - You can have a RTP of 92% - doesnt necessarily mean that you have won or cashed out.

The Hits you get and a decent cashout every now and again is nice... but sadly doesnt happen often. Where is the entertainment value if you win on the first slot you play and lose on every other slot you play 99% of the time...

My last session was yesterday / today...

Match bonus - Balance of 150 ... Played for almost 10 hours on the balance with bets ranging from 80c to $1 .. Peaked at $320 .. lost that.. deposited almost $600 again... Peaked at $550 ... Lost that... Comps - Lost that - U ask why dont i cash out? If i wanted to win $150 and cash out, then id be wasting my time playing...

Well alot of you may have had positive experiences with 3dice, Nice wins and decent cashouts... My experience has been the worst thus far - In the end CS and Comps never count if you continually fail deposit after deposit... Comp after comp, day after day, month after month... Is lady luck on vacation or is there a deeper issue here?

The worse part is when your in chat and someone says WTG on a hit displayed ... X has won $Y playing Z game... What many people dont realise is that is probably took half your balance to hit that and you are still in the negative

Please be advised that i am stating MY EXPERIENCE and not trying to run 3dice down... I've ranted and complained and been comped - not afraid to say that... but the end result is well over $20 000 (Deposits / comps etc) in the negative in not even 4 months

Id love to remain loyal and say nice things but can i really? Anybody have similar experiences - care to share? Id appreciate comments ...

[silcnlayc]

I , too was of the same mind as you for a long time until I changed my play to reflect the way the slots reacted. I also quit playing all lines until I built my bankroll up...

25 lines-play 17
30 line-play19
9 lines-play5
15 lines-play 9

And it worked for me. After getting my bankroll up, I played all lines....but not till I made enough to make a difference...(close to tripling up my bankroll)

I used to go in gung ho thinking if I am going to hit big, I don't want to miss it so I bet above average of what I should have been betting all along.

I learned this from my husband...patience pays off..start low and slow and work it up...slowly...It works..but the sad thing is I do not have a lot of patience..I either want to win quickly (hit and run) or lose quickly...no in betweens.. I have always felt that, if lady luck is with you, she's with you, if she is against you then all is lost whether you play high, low, fast slow was my thoughts..

I have been training myself in patience and it is paying off...maybe trying it this way (there really is no right way to play slots imo) but there is no wrong way either. Some of my biggest wins have come from playing really slow and low...upping my bets as I won ...

I made out my $5 in comps into a $2800.00 win...did I cash out, yep...was it a thrill, yep...have I done it again..nope...but I have withdrawn a few times doing the slow, and low thing..when I get impatient..I drop hundreds quickly..and I have to rein myself in and make myself play in fun mode till I realize I can still win if I follow my plan...not when I go in a frenzy (but it feels so good while doing it)...we all deserve one of those every few withdrawals imo....the frenzy thing..especially when you are ahead..

So, the lesson I learned was...I had to find my own way and pace and my husband helped me a lot in that by watching him ..that used to drive me crazy (his slow, low, motion (playing))but the end result was always better for him than me..so, that is a lesson learned and followed...just thought I would share..

I enjoy 3Dice a lot and I have been frustrated to the point of closing my account (which I have done) until I gained a better perspective of my play habits..now, I still enjoy 3Dice in fun and realmode and without blame when times are tuff with them, because I chose to play there...

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[Nate]

Hi Silc,

I appreciate your comments - TY

I have tried to adopt that approach at 3dice... Trust me, Tourney Wins, Comps, Deposits... Played min bets for hours on end.. the end result is always the same... Patience does pay off sometimes - the majority of the time it ends in you peaking about $10 above your start balance or eventually getting the FS and not even winning back a Third of what it cost to hit... I have some interesting RTP's on some games... way below the norm.. Played Thousands and Thousands of spins, wagered in the hundreds of thousands, so i dont think that the reflection is very inaccurate of what type of play im getting...

I speak to the Management often, and i have my days where i have a rant or 2... I have never been rude to anyone or disrespected anyone and when i share an experience on a Forum, it is usually that ive thouroughly played and have some substance before i even post...

last Session : $100 start balance - Balance up to $150 - played 60c bets plus comps to win a total of 0 and never peak above the start balance on 1 game...

Ah Well...

[just play]

I don't care what anyone says, even Enzo, something has changed there, and it's not for the better.

High variance my booty, low variance is exactly the same there. There comes a time when 3Dice players realize this, sometimes it takes a while, sometimes it comes quick. I think luckily for you it came quick.

I like the games, and will probably still play there, but no way am I going to deposit like I used to. $20 lasting 5 minutes playing the very minimum bets, I would rather play $20 at RTG, it would certainly last longer than 5 minutes.

[Nate]

I don't care what anyone says, even Enzo, something has changed there, and it's not for the better.

High variance my booty, low variance is exactly the same there. There comes a time when 3Dice players realize this, sometimes it takes a while, sometimes it comes quick. I think luckily for you it came quick.

I like the games, and will probably still play there, but no way am I going to deposit like I used to. $20 lasting 5 minutes playing the very minimum bets, I would rather play $20 at RTG, it would certainly last longer than 5 minutes.

I agree... Enzo advised me that the lowest variance game is infact payola... Last time i checked, My RTP was 86% .. thats really low for your lowet variance slot... and trust me ive had tons of spins on all varying bet sizes...

I wish that it had come quicker

i also love the games and will play there but damn ive had bad bad bad runs there...

[blacklabrador]

I don't care what anyone says, even Enzo, something has changed there, and it's not for the better.

High variance my booty, low variance is exactly the same there. There comes a time when 3Dice players realize this, sometimes it takes a while, sometimes it comes quick. I think luckily for you it came quick.

I like the games, and will probably still play there, but no way am I going to deposit like I used to. $20 lasting 5 minutes playing the very minimum bets, I would rather play $20 at RTG, it would certainly last longer than 5 minutes.

Now I am curious..... what kind of software do the use there? All the casinos I have played on lately have gotten very noticably TIGHT, and I mean TIGHT. I havent cashed out in 2 weeks and i play nightly. If things dont turn around I will delete them and stick to land based casinos.

[Nate]

They use their own software - nice graphics... Great Games - Poor Returns (For Me)

I've lost at other casinos, but not at the rate i lose at 3dice...

[jelsmith]

They have their own software.....no other casino has it.

[blacklabrador]

Well can someone tell me what f-ing casino they are WINNING on? This whole board lately has been nothing but people talking about how tight all the online casinos have become. I think this might be the beginning of the end in the online casino industry. Them losing the US market crippled their profits. Yes we can still play if we jump through hoops, ewallets, etc etc, but most people just said screw it when they passed that ridiculous online gaming thing. The US doesnt have bigger fish to fry than people who enjoy gambling online? What a joke this country has become in the last 10 years.

[Mavin1]

Not that I play anywhere anymore, but if I were to play, I would be a lot stricter with my attitude of playing.

What I have found playing like I normally do, if I deposit $50 and am up to $75, then cash out, it's $25 more than started with. My problem is I kept thinking if I got on a good roll I could get my $50 to $150, then why not to $350.

I can't tell you how many times I did get up to $350 and didn't cashout, thinking I hit the lucky streak and could build my balance up more. Streaks have become so "streaky", that I realized that when you get lucky enough to get above your deposit, even a little bit, cash it out. Because 9 times out of 10, if I didn't cashout that $350, it invariably always took it back. Didn't matter what casino, the end result was always the same.

If you study the winner screenshots, you will see for instance Rockycats shots, his wins are low, but he gets many of these low wins and I'm pretty sure he cashes them out. So sometimes as Silc said, you have to pace yourself and think small rather than big, because the big is very rare.

The winning screenshots should only be looked at as proof that people can win, not that any one casino is hot and loose, but winning is a possibility, just as losing is.

It is my opinion that upping wagers, also lowers your RTP, though this can't be proven no more than tighter RTP can be. But think about it, if the RTP were set for the penny player only, then the dollar player would be cleaning house all the time.

But then there will be that rare occasion, where no matter what, you have hit the day when the vault is open and you can't lose. But even at that, if you calculate how much money spent compared to that rare day of cashing out, have you gotten back your investment or just broke even?

So you do need to restructure your thinking on this type of "entertainment", to be satisfied with the small deposits and small wins for the biggest part, because that is what you will get more often.

A player can't keep throwing huge amounts of money into a casino and expect that the big deposits will reap big rewards, sometimes it can, but more often it won't.

Wish you great luck!