Player Fraud

[darkpixie]

Ok, I see a lot of casinos delaying payments etc due to Player Fraud but exactly what is it and how can it be accomplished if the games are fair?

I've seen a couple versions of Player Fraud pop up on the boards:

#1. They cite users that open multiple accounts for free chips till they win on one to be fraud, that is totally understandable and I totally get that.

#2. I've seen reports of player 'networks' (a bunch of people trying to hit a progressive and splitting the winnings) being shut down. Not sure how that is fraud exactly, but I agree it certainly tips the scales away from your average players favor when this occurs.

#3. (this is the most troubling one) The play logs need to be sent to the software company etc to rule out fraud, I don't understand how a player can perpetrate a fraud on software that is 'supposed' to be 100% legit and fair? Maybe I am too stupid to have figured that one out. If they are exploiting a software glitch, shouldn't the casino be able to figure that out during the tampering and put a stop to it before the player even gets close to the withdrawal button?


Anyways, I'm not finger pointing by any means, I've see this across all platforms and casinos, though it certainly happens more on some than others.

Just curious really, if the answers can't be discussed in a forum anyone that knows is welcome to PM me.

[maphesto]

#1. They cite users that open multiple accounts for free chips till they win on one to be fraud, that is totally understandable and I totally get that.

I doesn't necessary have to be free chips it can be match bonuses as well. A lot of casinos have very generous welcome bonuses. An experienced player can win a lot with 300% cashable bonuses, especially when they know that they can use it again with another account.

The bonus abuse by many players have made casinos to write rediculous T&C and you can't bet to high on low risk games etc.

#3. (this is the most troubling one) The play logs need to be sent to the software company etc to rule out fraud, I don't understand how a player can perpetrate a fraud on software that is 'supposed' to be 100% legit and fair? Maybe I am too stupid to have figured that one out. If they are exploiting a software glitch, shouldn't the casino be able to figure that out during the tampering and put a stop to it before the player even gets close to the withdrawal button?

We now and then see glitches in the casinos favour, the latest one is the Microgaming Pai Gow which now is under investigation.

If players find glitches in players favour you can be sure of that not everyone will report this.

Many players will use this and I understand if casinos send reports when something is suspicious.

To add:

#4 Money laundering in different ways.

Players have funds on a "fake" account and needs to get this to a legit account.

Poker chip dumping is one. Or to deposit with one method(the fake one) and make a withdrawal to a legit account.

[darkpixie]

All good points, thank you

[all4greed]

Ok, I see a lot of casinos delaying payments etc due to Player Fraud but exactly what is it and how can it be accomplished if the games are fair?

I've seen a couple versions of Player Fraud pop up on the boards:

#2. I've seen reports of player 'networks' (a bunch of people trying to hit a progressive and splitting the winnings) being shut down. Not sure how that is fraud exactly, but I agree it certainly tips the scales away from your average players favor when this occurs.

Do you have any links? I don't see it as any different from people buying lottery tickets and splitting any winnings. How could a casino know winnings would be split? And why would they care? A jackpot is a jackpot. There is no guarantee a group would hit it anyway.

#3. (this is the most troubling one) The play logs need to be sent to the software company etc to rule out fraud, I don't understand how a player can perpetrate a fraud on software that is 'supposed' to be 100% legit and fair? Maybe I am too stupid to have figured that one out. If they are exploiting a software glitch, shouldn't the casino be able to figure that out during the tampering and put a stop to it before the player even gets close to the withdrawal button?

I believe something like this happened at Intercasino (I think it was them) years ago. There was a several hour window where a player could just not lose, don't recall the game. Intercasino acknowledged the glitch BUT paid all those that were playing. As I recall it was very early AM. I was not involved in playing, just read about it.

[darkpixie]

I can see if I can dig some up, I know at B&M's if they catch you doing this they show you the door though.

[felicie]

I guess there is no possible form of fraud to be done after each deposit made by a player.

[gamblerx]

CASINOMEISSTER IS A LITTLE FUCKING BITCH.ALL YOU DUMB FUCKS ON HERE PISS AND MOAN.YOU LOSERS NEED TO GET A LIFE.IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WTH WHAT I SAID YOU CAN SUCK MY DICK AND AS FOR CASINOMEISTER,ILL BE SEEING HIS LITTLE BITCH ASS IS 6 FEET UNDER REAL SOON.

[Casinomeister]

CASINOMEISSTER IS A LITTLE FUCKING BITCH.ALL YOU DUMB FUCKS ON HERE PISS AND MOAN.YOU LOSERS NEED TO GET A LIFE.IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WTH WHAT I SAID YOU CAN SUCK MY DICK AND AS FOR CASINOMEISTER,ILL BE SEEING HIS LITTLE BITCH ASS IS 6 FEET UNDER REAL SOON.

Looks like someone didn't get enough lovin' as a child

[chayton]

CASINOMEISSTER IS A LITTLE FUCKING BITCH.ALL YOU DUMB FUCKS ON HERE PISS AND MOAN.YOU LOSERS NEED TO GET A LIFE.IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WTH WHAT I SAID YOU CAN SUCK MY DICK AND AS FOR CASINOMEISTER,ILL BE SEEING HIS LITTLE BITCH ASS IS 6 FEET UNDER REAL SOON.

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[Casinomeister]

The ironic thing is this guy has a history of bitching and moaning when he loses. He's been booted from numerous casinos for player fraud in the past, (multiple accounts,etc) and has even admitted to a gambling problem and has quit this forum years ago....but he keeps coming back.

If he hates me and his fellow players so much, why does he keep returning?

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