Betfairs Zero Roulette

[gdbruyck]

Zero Roulette is no longer available in the instant play casino, it now has a new home in Betfairs download casino. However, there is a catch to it: playing for fun is NOT identical to real-mode.

When you play in fun mode, all goes well. You can play as long as you will want to and at a quick pace if you select the fast play option. In this condition there is no house edge and this entices players into playing the game.

So, you decide to deposit money and play for real money. And, surprise, surprise: playing for real money is operated differently than playing in fun mode and makes it almost impossible to profit long term from it!

You can't spin the roulette wheel by pressing the "Spin" button, because there is NO spinbutton to start the roulette. The roulette spins automatically every 25 seconds and, after an hour the games stops automatically! The game is over and ready for a fresh start (if you want to play longer).

In this way the house advantage is recuperated, because in this condition, playing on a wheel that doesn´t have a 0 pocket, does NOT give you better odds at all. Also: the table limits in funmode don't match the real money version. That's how Betfair makes money on a zero edge table.

 

[Jufo]

Zero Roulette is no longer available in the instant play casino, it now has a new home in Betfairs download casino. However, there is a catch to it: playing for fun is NOT identical to real-mode.

When you play in fun mode, all goes well. You can play as long as you will want to and at a quick pace if you select the fast play option. In this condition there is no house edge and this entices players into playing the game.

So, you decide to deposit money and play for real money. And, surprise, surprise: playing for real money is operated differently than playing in fun mode and makes it almost impossible to profit long term from it!

You can't spin the roulette wheel by pressing the "Spin" button, because there is NO spinbutton to start the roulette. The roulette spins automatically every 25 seconds and, after an hour the games stops automatically! The game is over and ready for a fresh start (if you want to play longer).

In this way the house advantage is recuperated, because in this condition, playing on a wheel that doesn´t have a 0 pocket, does NOT give you better odds at all. Also: the table limits in funmode don't match the real money version. That's how Betfair makes money on a zero edge table.

I don't see how those rules would alter the house edge, it just makes play more slow and less interesting. You cannot profit from a 0% house edge game and neither can casino so the bolded part in your post contradicts itself.

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya: Any time a table game is being ran differently, or has different payouts or rules, than play for real mode, you need to stop, withdraw all money in the casino, and delete it from your pc.

 

[SlotMonster]

I don't see how those rules would alter the house edge, it just makes play more slow and less interesting. You cannot profit from a 0% house edge game and neither can casino so the bolded part in your post contradicts itself.

They can, believe me At least because they have biggest bankroll

Hiya: Any time a table game is being ran differently, or has different payouts or rules, than play for real mode, you need to stop, withdraw all money in the casino, and delete it from your pc.

Amen!

gdbruyck, I'd suggest you to try BetVoyager Casino. They have Randomness Control, and many types of Roulettes: No Zero, Multiball Roulette and Roulette Express love2winalot can also tell you how is it to play with No House Edge

 

[Tengil]

They can, believe me At least because they have biggest bankroll



Amen!

gdbruyck, I'd suggest you to try BetVoyager Casino. They have Randomness Control, and many types of Roulettes: No Zero, Multiball Roulette and Roulette Express love2winalot can also tell you how is it to play with No House Edge

Wrong. Why should the size of the bankroll matter?

 

[gdbruyck]

Session Management

I don't see how those rules would alter the house edge...

Some strategies for roulette are based on the ability to stay in the money "long enough" for the "turn of luck" to appear. Minimizing losses and maximizing wins require that you play through losing streaks, lasting more than one hour. But at Betfairs zero roulette you can't play as long as you want.
The goal of session management is to give us a chance to win by having enough funds to ride through the losing periods.

 

[Jufo]

They can, believe me At least because they have biggest bankroll

But they probably have a smaller bankroll than all players bankrolls combined so by this same logic they should go bankrupt? In reality: The size of bankroll doesn't affect house edge at all.

gdbruyck, I'd suggest you to try BetVoyager Casino. They have Randomness Control, and many types of Roulettes: No Zero, Multiball Roulette and Roulette Express love2winalot can also tell you how is it to play with No House Edge

Betvoyager withholds 10% of net winnings on zero house edge games and I have understood that past losses on these zero house edge games don't even count when calculating the net win. So the OP is better off playing at Betfair.

Some strategies for roulette are based on the ability to stay in the money "long enough" for the "turn of luck" to appear. Minimizing losses and maximizing wins require that you play through losing streaks, lasting more than one hour. But at Betfairs zero roulette you can't play as long as you want.
The goal of session management is to give us a chance to win by having enough funds to ride through the losing periods.

That is just some "system" based on

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which in reality doesn't work. Believe me if it did, then all casinos would have been bankrupt long time ago.

 

[gdbruyck]

session duration

That is just some "system" based on

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which in reality doesn't work. Believe me if it did, then all casinos would have been bankrupt long time ago.

Ok, but why then does Betfair limit the session duration? The session ends after one hour, this is, after plus-minus 140 spins.

 

[gdbruyck]

Betvoyager withholds 10% of net winnings on zero house edge games and I have understood that past losses on these zero house edge games don't even count when calculating the net win.

During a withdrawal of funds from the gambling portal to third-party payments systems, a 10% house fee will be taken from the player's net winnings. There is no house fee on winnings from casino games that do not offer equal odds. Players can gamble for a long time on equal odds casino games and rake free poker, or make sports bets without any house fee. The house fee will only be charged on a withdrawal of net winnings.

During a withdrawal of funds, first the sum of the deposit is returned, and then the winnings, from which a house fee will be taken.

Example: a player makes a €100 deposit, wins €50 and then requests a withdrawal of €120. Under this scenario, the net winnings exceed the deposit by €20, i.e. a 10% house fee equals €2.

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[gdbruyck]

Roulette machines

That is just some "system" based on

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which in reality doesn't work.

Roulette machines are not the same as a roulette wheel in a casino and are not as random as they seem to be. They have an electronic number generator in them. Every number in these machines is allocated a probability occurrence and the apparently random appearance of numbers actually follows a definite pattern. Unlike real table roulette in a casino where a number is never guaranteed to be drawn, computer generated roulette has to provide a balance of numbers so that over a large number of spins each number would have been drawn roughly the same number of times (within a few percent). This percentage is called the 'realistic waiver' which is supposed to add realism to computer generated roulette. So numbers are not really random and there is a definite pattern to them.
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[GrandMaster]

Roulette machines are not the same as a roulette wheel in a casino and are not as random as they seem to be. They have an electronic number generator in them. Every number in these machines is allocated a probability occurrence and the apparently random appearance of numbers actually follows a definite pattern. Unlike real table roulette in a casino where a number is never guaranteed to be drawn, computer generated roulette has to provide a balance of numbers so that over a large number of spins each number would have been drawn roughly the same number of times (within a few percent). This percentage is called the 'realistic waiver' which is supposed to add realism to computer generated roulette. So numbers are not really random and there is a definite pattern to them.

You don't seem to have an understanding of probability theory. If the numbers drawn are independent and have the correct probability distribution (each possible number is drawn with probability 1/37 for European roulette, 1/38 for American roulette), then over the long term the proportion of times each number has been drawn will automatically tend to 1/37 or 1/38, resp., by the Law of Large Numbers without any need for cheating.

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya: The law of large numbers does not matter. It is the end of a verry long road, a road none of us will ever reach. We don't live long enough to play millions of spins......................

Since the End, is thus unreachable, then the journey to the end is what actually matters. This journey is comprised of around 111 spins a hour, "in my case". Millions of spins later, the numbers 3-7-14-25-36-0, will all hit within the same % of each other. But, broken down into segments, on the road to the millions of spins, they WILL NOT EVEN BE CLOSE TO THE SAME %.

3-14-25, can hit a combined total of 17 times, while 7-36-0 can hit a combined total of 1-2 times. This is the normal varience that happens each and every hour of playing Roulette, no matter where you play at.

Let's face it, if the game followed the math/odd's even remotely each hour, we would all be rich. Wait for 34 numbers to hit. Bet the 3 that have not hit yet, and you could not hit the cashout button fast enough. But, alasss, those last 3 numbers sometimes end up being the 7-36-0, the odds and % and math are no where to be found, and back to our day jobs, to dream of riches another day.......................

 

[GrandMaster]

Let's face it, if the game followed the math/odd's even remotely each hour, we would all be rich.

The games follow the mathematics, that's why the casinos make money. Have you heard of the concept of "house edge"? In the Zero lounge neither party expects to make money, but depending on your strategy, you may have wins and losses of equal size with equal probabilities, you may chase a small win with high probability at the expense of a big loss with small probability, or a big win with small probability and a small loss with a big probability.

 

[GrandMaster]

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