Pure Vegas - Tied to Rushmore Group (?)

[winbig]

Ok, when I was loading up Slots Oasis' site last night to re-download the software and play, I noticed an odd domain name come up in the status bar (bottom bar) of my browser. Don't ask me why, but I tend to notice such things, especially when they're out of place.

This domain is cdnng.net, or more specifically, files
were being pulled from so.cdnng.net - see below:

The only sites hosted on cdnng.net are Cherry Red, Rushmore, and Pure Vegas.

Upon further research, I found out that the server cdnng.net is used for hosting their shockwave animations, javascript, CSS sheets, etc., that the Rushmore group websites are known for. A search via google further proves this -

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Ignore the first several hits, because these days google likes to throw "did you mean:" bit in there nowadays.

If you don't want to sift through the google hits, here's links that tie it all together:

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And the first several lines of the HTML source of Slots Oasis' main page:

All 4 domains - rushmoreonline.com, slotsoasis.com, cherryredcasino.com, purevegascasino.com and cdnng.net - are all registered under the same privacy service registrar.

Domain Name: SLOTSOASIS.COM

[REGISTRANT]
Organisation Name: Your Whois Privacy
Contact Name: Hostmaster
Address Line 1: PO Box 5085
Address Line 2:
City / Town: Milton Keynes MLO
State / Province: Bucks
Zip / Postcode: MK6 3ZE
Country: UK
Telephone: +44 (19082) 00022
Fax: +44 (19083) 25192
Email: [email protected]

Domain Name: RUSHMOREONLINE.COM

[REGISTRANT]
Organisation Name: Your Whois Privacy
Contact Name: Hostmaster
Address Line 1: PO Box 5085
Address Line 2:
City / Town: Milton Keynes MLO
State / Province: Bucks
Zip / Postcode: MK6 3ZE
Country: UK
Telephone: +44 (19082) 00022
Fax: +44 (19083) 25192
Email: [email protected]

Domain Name: CHERRYREDCASINO.COM

[REGISTRANT]
Organisation Name: Your Whois Privacy
Contact Name: Hostmaster
Address Line 1: PO Box 5085
Address Line 2:
City / Town: Milton Keynes MLO
State / Province: Bucks
Zip / Postcode: MK6 3ZE
Country: UK
Telephone: +44 (19082) 00022
Fax: +44 (19083) 25192
Email: [email protected]

Domain Name: PUREVEGASCASINO.COM

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Organisation Name: Your Whois Privacy
Contact Name: Hostmaster
Address Line 1: PO Box 5085
Address Line 2:
City / Town: Milton Keynes MLO
State / Province: Bucks
Zip / Postcode: MK6 3ZE
Country: UK
Telephone: +44 (19082) 00022
Fax: +44 (19083) 25192
Email: [email protected]

Domain Name: CDNNG.NET

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Organisation Name: Your Whois Privacy
Contact Name: Hostmaster
Address Line 1: PO Box 5085
Address Line 2:
City / Town: Milton Keynes MLO
State / Province: Bucks
Zip / Postcode: MK6 3ZE
Country: UK
Telephone: +44 (19082) 00022
Fax: +44 (19083) 25192
Email: [email protected]

So....why is Rushmore claiming that they're not affiliated with Pure vegas and vice versa?

There's been speculation about Pure Vegas being tied to Rushmore, so this serves as further proof of the connection.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/pure-vegas.34474/

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https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/pure-vegas.34474/

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/pure-vegas.34474/

I've made the Pure Vegas rep and Louise aware of this thread, so hopefully they may shed some light on this subject. The Pure Vegas rep simply ignored any and all allegations that were made in that thread when they posted, so we'll see.

 

[winbig]

As if any further proof was needed (which is a predatory bonus, btw)

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Where is the transparency in this? Why launch a new casino and have it separate from your well-known brands? Even the affiliate program is separate.

 

[chuchu59]

The first thing that Pure Vegas did when I initiated a withdrawal was to send me an email prompting me to reverse it and give me a 40% bonus. I could do it umpteen times until I either decide not to reverse finally or bust. Shouldnt they at least smoothen your first withdrawal instead of resorting to these tricks.

I hope this casino isnt linked to the Rushmore group but the evidence seems to indicate otherwise.

 

[vinylweatherman]

The first thing that Pure Vegas did when I initiated a withdrawal was to send me an email prompting me to reverse it and give me a 40% bonus. I could do it umpteen times until I either decide not to reverse finally or bust. Shouldnt they at least smoothen your first withdrawal instead of resorting to these tricks.

I hope this casino isnt linked to the Rushmore group but the evidence seems to indicate otherwise.

Which deposit methods are banned from bonuses - could be another clue.

If they are lying, and they ARE connected, we WILL find out, and then they could look VERY silly indeed

Time will tell.

Reminds me of Grand Prive - lying about Big Dollar being one of theirs, and then getting BUSTED by players who found that it WAS a "secret" Grand Prive skin. There was also the other Grand Prive casino, launched to market to the Euopeans. They emailed players on the main Grand Prive database, and when one of us posted about the mailer, and at how the info MUST have come from Grand Prive, said player was asked to REMOVE the post because it revealed something that Grand Prive was trying to hide (the connection). Naturally, this only drew MORE attention to the matter, the complete opposite of what they were trying to achieve by asking for the post to be removed.

Their certainly IS a connection here between Rushmore and Pure Vegas, but what is it? It could be a matter of employing the same company between them to produce their images and animations, hosted on that companies own server.

 

[winbig]

It could be a matter of employing the same company between them to produce their images and animations, hosted on that companies own server.

Which doesn't explain the fact that they have the exact same bonuses, etc.

 

[HeyMikey]

Well if they are running off the same servers then the reels will spin for a long time like they do on the Rushmore group

 

[uungy]

With all the bad pulic posting, not surprised they are denying it. Probably just doing so to get the players to play there, who hate the Rushmore group

 

[winbig]

With all the bad pulic posting, not surprised they are denying it. Probably just doing so to get the players to play there, who hate the Rushmore group

I seriously hope that's not the case..it's better to wait for the 'official' word instead of making judgements this early.

 

[Louise]

Hello everyone,

Apologies I didn't get to this sooner but I now hope to be able to clear this up!

We (the owners and operators of the Rushmore group) provide certain services to Pure Vegas Casino such as customer support for example so this is the reason why there are some similarities between us and Pure Vegas. With that being said, the Rushmore group and the Pure Vegas group are two totally separate companies with different owners.

Thanks,

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

 

[chuchu59]

Louise,

You said Rushmore 'provided services' to Pure Vegas not sharing services with them. That's a first I 've seen in the industry but there's always a first in everything.


They must be great copycats though because this does not explain why they have the same bonuses as the Rushmore casinos although the 400% SUB is conspicuous by its absence. With your revelation I expect that no further evidence will crop up as them being one and the same. Otherwise, it will do much harm to your integrity.

 

[uungy]

Hello everyone,

Apologies I didn't get to this sooner but I now hope to be able to clear this up!

We (the owners and operators of the Rushmore group) provide certain services to Pure Vegas Casino such as customer support for example so this is the reason why there are some similarities between us and Pure Vegas. With that being said, the Rushmore group and the Pure Vegas group are two totally separate companies with different owners.

Thanks,

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

I dont buy it. You supply server info, server space, terms and conditions, promotions and everything else.

Thats called a "clone". This sounds far too strange for a company to do that.

 

[winbig]

Louise,

You said Rushmore 'provided services' to Pure Vegas not sharing services with them. That's a first I 've seen in the industry but there's always a first in everything.


They must be great copycats though because this does not explain why they have the same bonuses as the Rushmore casinos although the 400% SUB is conspicuous by its absence. With your revelation I expect that no further evidence will crop up as them being one and the same. Otherwise, it will do much harm to your integrity.

I thought only the software supplier provided turn-key casinos, not an established group of casinos..........because that's exactly what it looks like, if they are in fact different owners..

 

[LaurieJim]

I trust what Louise says as Jackpot Capital and Slotastic share the same info and layout plan. JPC does provide customer service for them but they are not owned together, just as when you go to All Slots (MG) it will direct you to JPC, so i think this is a much to do about nothing , no more than what other casinos are doing, i like both places, i just dont see the big deal, Louise explained it and thats good enough for me..................laurie

 

[eu_lowroller]

IJackpot Capital and Slotastic share the same info and layout plan. JPC does provide customer service for them but they are not owned together

Are you sure?

And how could it be, that i could make my first withdrawal withoud needing to send any faxbackform, because the support even told me, that i must not send thm any faxbackforms, because i'm a user at JPC, so they don't need it again!?

Even on all 3 Ruhsmoregroup Casinos i had to send a faxbackform to every single casino, although they for sure in the same group, so JPC and Slotastic! are also in the same boat!

 

[LaurieJim]

Are you sure?

And how could it be, that i could make my first withdrawal withoud needing to send any faxbackform, because the support even told me, that i must not send thm any faxbackforms, because i'm a user at JPC, so they don't need it again!?

Even on all 3 Ruhsmoregroup Casinos i had to send a faxbackform to every single casino, although they for sure in the same group, so JPC and Slotastic! are also in the same boat!

I just had to send one fax back to Slots and i have cashed out at all 3 in the past

I also didnt have to send in anything to Slotstastic as i was also told they had it on file at JPC, but was told they are not owned by the same people, just do customer support, ect................laurie

 

[eu_lowroller]

i was also told they had it on file at JPC, but was told they are not owned by the same people, just do customer support

is this not an objection?

 

[LaurieJim]

is this not an objection?

:notworthy:notworthy Its starting to become who belongs to whom nowadays, but not really or is it?.............laurie

 

[eu_lowroller]

I think, that it's only very unserious if they can give your faxbackform (personal informations) without any problems to a casino, which have nothing to do with another one, because they make only the support for it, or is this normal?

 

[LaurieJim]

I think, that it's only very unserious if they can give your faxbackform (personal informations) without any problems to a casino, which have nothing to do with another one, because they make only the support for it, or is this normal?

Id say not normal, but then again, who knows anymore what goes on at some casinos, its the same as Rival, having a data system and providing support for different casinos, how many do they handle (Riival casinos) over 100 plus i think, not sure tho..................laurie

 

[eu_lowroller]

Btw. they even don't know their own deposit methods, because you can read in their FAQs the following:

"Q. What can I do if I don't want to use a credit card to make a deposit?
A. You have a variety of options. Pure Vegas accepts deposits made via Moneybookers, eWallet Xpress, EcoCard and UseMyWallet along with a number of other options which can be reviewed in the Cashier."

Moneybookers is there not available, so when they copy all sentences from another side, then they should at least delete the false infos from it!

Not really very seriously!

 

[PureVegasCasino]

Thanks eu_lowroller for pointing that out... We have updated our FAQ page with your editing remark. Please see for yourself:
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Have a good day everyone!

 

[eu_lowroller]

Thanks for your freebie, but you should do anything with your server, because even on Turbo Spins it takes always 5 (FIVE) seconds to make one spin!

that makes me to never deposit there because it is so boring to play with such a slow server

 

[maphesto]

I have the answer to you here!

Or at least 3Dice knows the answer.

@purevegascasino:

I suggest you look at this post:

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Read the thread.

@eu_lowroller:

This is not the only RTG.

You can read the post and thread too.

 

[sfire]

they are one entity

I made a request to have my account closed at Rushmore. It automatically closed at Cherrry Red also ......................and at Pure Vegas about 10 hours later.

At the very leaast that says shared database and shared management

 

[takethemoney]

I made a request to have my account closed at Rushmore. It automatically closed at Cherrry Red also ......................and at Pure Vegas about 10 hours later.

At the very leaast that says shared database and shared management

I'm sorry but I don't believe this. I had requested my Cherry Red account closed, but my Rushmore and Slots Oasis were not automatically closed. I requested them closed later. The only way I can see them having a close one / close all policy is if you pissed them off in some way. Who knows what that could be? Did you get mad at a CSR and use foul language, by any chance?

Still, however, the question remains.

 

[slotjunkie]

I'm sorry but I don't believe this. I had requested my Cherry Red account closed, but my Rushmore and Slots Oasis were not automatically closed. I requested them closed later. The only way I can see them having a close one / close all policy is if you pissed them off in some way. Who knows what that could be? Did you get mad at a CSR and use foul language, by any chance?

Still, however, the question remains.

I think the main point trying to be made is that Pure Vegas Casino IS indeed tied to the Rushmore group, when they have been denying it all along!

Don't understand why they would deny it though

 

[takethemoney]

I think the main point trying to be made is that Pure Vegas Casino IS indeed tied to the Rushmore group, when they have been denying it all along!

Don't understand why they would deny it though

Maybe Bryan needs to get involved. I doubt he would allow these casinos to remain accredited if they are lying and not disclosing their affiliations.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Actually I saw something similar when i logged into titan a week or so ago. One of their new slots was the `rushmore` slot it wouldnt load up and was shortly removed thereafter but it was there. I know cos i seen it lol

 

[Louise]

Hi everyone,

Just to go back a bit in time to clear things up. I stated a while ago on the first page of this thread (in which I did not deny):

Hello everyone,

Apologies I didn't get to this sooner but I now hope to be able to clear this up!

We (the owners and operators of the Rushmore group) provide certain services to Pure Vegas Casino such as customer support for example so this is the reason why there are some similarities between us and Pure Vegas. With that being said, the Rushmore group and the Pure Vegas group are two totally separate companies with different owners.

Thanks,

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

Concerning general 'connections' - Please keep in mind that RTG casinos in general are connected due to our processing system - So if a player is flagged on another RTG casino then we would be alerted to this. Also in the case of banned players etc in the general system.

Hope everyone is well.

Kind regards,

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

 

[takethemoney]

Hi everyone,

Just to go back a bit in time to clear things up. I stated a while ago on the first page of this thread (in which I did not deny):



Concerning general 'connections' - Please keep in mind that RTG casinos in general are connected due to our processing system - So if a player is flagged on another RTG casino then we would be alerted to this. Also in the case of banned players etc in the general system.

Hope everyone is well.

Kind regards,

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

So does this mean all RTG casinos share information about players to each other? If so, this has me really suspicious. Reason being, after winning quite a sum over a couple weeks on 3 random jackpots, it became impossible to have any luck at either Cherry Red or Rushmore. I requested my accounts closed for the time being and since have had zero luck at any RTG casino, causing me to stop playing ANY of them. My concern is that there might be flagging between casinos, expecially if the RTP can be set on a per player basis, or tied to bonuses on a per player basis. The other concern I have on this issue is privacy. What I might share at one casino I may not want my personal information shared to other casinos, especially if they are less than reputable or known spammers. Personal information about players should not be shared under any circumstances, as that is a breach of trust, IMO. I miss playing RTG, but frankly wish I had been treated better.

 

[slotjunkie]

I am locked out of all 3 just because I was upset about a deposit going straight down to zero with NO entertainment at all! I told the promo rep I wanted my money back or something and that I would get it back on way or the other and that is when they locked all three accts. I have the emails and they are pretty funny to me because of the contradicting wording!

I have never done a charge back and quite frankly don't know how, nor do I have the desire to. I was just upset at the time! Oh well not my loss!

 

[vinylweatherman]

I am locked out of all 3 just because I was upset about a deposit going straight down to zero with NO entertainment at all! I told the promo rep I wanted my money back or something and that I would get it back on way or the other and that is when they locked all three accts. I have the emails and they are pretty funny to me because of the contradicting wording!

I have never done a charge back and quite frankly don't know how, nor do I have the desire to. I was just upset at the time! Oh well not my loss!

That explains the locking of all 3 accounts, even though you only complained about one. Without specifying HOW you would get the money back, they have to fear that you might initiate a chargeback, if not now, at a later date.

Threatening to "chargeback" often causes accounts to be locked.

What is NOT clear is HOW MUCH information is being shared between the different RTG casinos. Is this MORE than just a list of fraudulent players, even to the extent of an RTG wide "blacklist" of "too clever/lucky" players, or even an RTG version of the Rival "central database".

IF Rushmore is merely suplying "support services" to Pure Vegas, they should be operating an internal "wall" to prevent player information flowing between Rushmore and the owners of Pure Vegas about a player's activities at Rushmore.

Without looking at this too deeply, it looks like a request to close "all accounts at Rushmore" is taken to INCLUDE an accounts at Pure Vegas as well, whereas the player might be happy with Pure Vegas, but NOT with their experience with Rushmore.

 

[Rusty]

That explains the locking of all 3 accounts, even though you only complained about one. Without specifying HOW you would get the money back, they have to fear that you might initiate a chargeback, if not now, at a later date.

Threatening to "chargeback" often causes accounts to be locked.

What is NOT clear is HOW MUCH information is being shared between the different RTG casinos. Is this MORE than just a list of fraudulent players, even to the extent of an RTG wide "blacklist" of "too clever/lucky" players, or even an RTG version of the Rival "central database".

IF Rushmore is merely suplying "support services" to Pure Vegas, they should be operating an internal "wall" to prevent player information flowing between Rushmore and the owners of Pure Vegas about a player's activities at Rushmore.

Without looking at this too deeply, it looks like a request to close "all accounts at Rushmore" is taken to INCLUDE an accounts at Pure Vegas as well, whereas the player might be happy with Pure Vegas, but NOT with their experience with Rushmore.

Maybe closing just 1 account in the group screws up the RTP tracker.

 

[takethemoney]

Maybe closing just 1 account in the group screws up the RTP tracker.

Good one!

I'm seriously going to reformat my hard drive, then with NO casinos installed, I am going to go download and join an RTG casino that I have never played before. It's going to be an experiment.

 

[slotjunkie]

That explains the locking of all 3 accounts, even though you only complained about one. Without specifying HOW you would get the money back, they have to fear that you might initiate a chargeback, if not now, at a later date.

Threatening to "chargeback" often causes accounts to be locked.

What is NOT clear is HOW MUCH information is being shared between the different RTG casinos. Is this MORE than just a list of fraudulent players, even to the extent of an RTG wide "blacklist" of "too clever/lucky" players, or even an RTG version of the Rival "central database".

IF Rushmore is merely suplying "support services" to Pure Vegas, they should be operating an internal "wall" to prevent player information flowing between Rushmore and the owners of Pure Vegas about a player's activities at Rushmore.

Without looking at this too deeply, it looks like a request to close "all accounts at Rushmore" is taken to INCLUDE an accounts at Pure Vegas as well, whereas the player might be happy with Pure Vegas, but NOT with their experience with Rushmore.

I do understand where they felt the need to lock me out to protect themselves, but I never threatened a chargeback! Though I know my venting words implied that!
As I stated earlier I honestly don't know how to do a chargeback and if I did, I wouldn't initiate one on a casino just because I lost! I know I am gonna lose when I make a deposit. It just makes me mad when it goes from a deposit straight down and I mean straight down to "0" with nothing in between!
It's like ordering a big juicy burger with all the fixings and then being forced to eat the whole thing in one bite! No enjoyment in that

 

[takethemoney]

I got locked out because I cussed out a manager once for a bad losing session and didn't like the way he talked to me. I've learned a lot since then. About 6 months later when a promo came along I wanted to take advantage of I sweet talked my account back unlocked. Really though, people who help us are just human and probably have no direct effect on our play. If they do have any way of effecting our play and our outcomes, I'd rather not make them mad.