Very Strange Win

[4 of a kind]

Its things like this that happen to me that prevent me from letting go of the suspicions I have when it comes to online gambling.

I’ve been playing at a certain casino for a good eight months which is also on the accredited list here at casinomiester. When I first tried this casino my first two deposits were with bonuses. Since then all my deposits were without bonuses of any type.

During this time I guess you could say I became a pretty loyal consistent depositor/player. I had two cash-outs during this time. One for two thousand dollars and my second cash out in the middle of November (09) for four thousand dollars. Even with these cash outs I’m still behind at this site.

After my second cash out for 4k for the next 7 weeks following, it was like trying to beat the casino devil. Being an experienced player, I am not surprised by any losing streak I run into and in fact expect them and always ride them out to happy times again. But this bad run became ruthless. I was careful during this bad run, being certain not to over play. My deposits slowed down at this site and were spaced apart more then I like.

I am a 95% video poker player with maybe 5% thrown at real series slots. But no matter how little or much I tried it remained ruthless. During this negative run my bankroll never was up more then 2 or 3 hundred dollars, maybe once I hit 5. The sessions were shorter then ever and after giving back 7k I decided I had enough.

I sent an e-mail to casino support explaining that I felt the RTP was placed at a lower level and no longer was enjoying my play time at their casino. I also asked them to e-mail me when they turn it back up, and I’d give them another go of it. (Sarcastic comment of course)

Sure enough Tuesday of this week I received an e-mail from them. They expressed their sadness of me having such bad luck at their site followed up with these things do happen. They assured me that it is impossible for them to control any settings set forth from their provider RTG. But because of my loyalty they already deposited into my account a $1,000.00 no deposit free chip good for all games, with 20x’s play through and 2x’s max cash out. A far cry from the $50.00 no deposit bonus coupon (for slots only) they give me for xmas with 20x’s play through and 2x’s max cash out which of course I never claimed.

Low and behold I go to the site and sure enough the 1k is sitting in my account. I start off with my usual $5.00 dollar a single hand of my favorite video poker games. The instant success was one like I never experienced before. Endless 4 of a kind’s, straight flushes, (2 within 6 hands) boat after boat, I was immediately saying to myself this can’t be. (Never hit a royal though) Went to joker poker for $10.00 dollars and $25.00 dollars a hand and again great success. Within two hours my bankroll is at 6k. The poker cooled off a bit so I go to Texas Tycoon for $6.25 a spin. Within my first 20 spins I hit some crap with the guy in the middle with 10x’s for over $2,300.00 dollars which was more then the Random Jackpot. That cooled off quick, so I jumped around playing several different real series slots and eventually I went back to poker that although wasn’t hitting big anymore it wasn’t taken much money from my bankroll. I decide to call it a night with my bankroll still at 7k and a little more then 10k towards my play through.

To make a long story longer Wednesday night I sign back in and again I pick up where I lead off, covered my entire 20k play through and cashed the max 2x’s plus the bonus for a total of 3k.

So, after 7 weeks and 7k of endless abuse, I send an e-mail get a free chip and all of a sudden I’m king of the casino. Does anyone here find this suspicious??? Can something special in fact be done random for any particular player they choose, in the hopes of keeping me depositing?

I know no one for sure here could answer that, and many will stand up for the online casino. But for a player like myself in fact having this experience, I will continue even more to smell something is cooking in cyberspace...

[PenDragyn21]

I just think the pendulum finally swung back in your favor, that's all. The RNG is like the Terminator. When it decides to exterminate your bankroll, it doesn't cares if the credits were from a ND or deposit or if you're up overall against a particular casino or down overall. And it's just as heartless against the casino when it decides to work on your side.

[SlotMonster]

I have strange feeling like their software "recognized" your bonus, and only because it was no deposit bonus it was allowed you to win...

[Stovetopp]

I bet I know which casino you are referring to!! I have had similar experience
but on the losing side....i never complained to the casino I will just stop playing there for a while

[chuchu59]

I dont know exactly how much you lost 4OAK but the strange thing to me is the $1K bonus as normally if you lost several K they would either tell you to bugger off citing 'variance or bad luck' or throw you $50-$100. The winning streak does not surprise me though as it does happen.

[1366613]

I have strange feeling like their software "recognized" your bonus, and only because it was no deposit bonus it was allowed you to win...

Feel the same. At the end all software are controlable .

[newguy68]

Saying that they are unable to control RTP on games is just pure lie.
They can control for even for bet size, for each game.
In casinos many things are "random" such as these competitions some of them hold.
But in the end its all framed to go in their favour, better to give it to you since they already have to give, instead of someone who put total 60 bucks in 3 deposits and always ask a free bonus.

[TOC]

Its things like this that happen to me that prevent me from letting go of the suspicions I have when it comes to online gambling.

I’ve been playing at a certain casino for a good eight months which is also on the accredited list here at casinomiester. When I first tried this casino my first two deposits were with bonuses. Since then all my deposits were without bonuses of any type.

During this time I guess you could say I became a pretty loyal consistent depositor/player. I had two cash-outs during this time. One for two thousand dollars and my second cash out in the middle of November (09) for four thousand dollars. Even with these cash outs I’m still behind at this site.

After my second cash out for 4k for the next 7 weeks following, it was like trying to beat the casino devil. Being an experienced player, I am not surprised by any losing streak I run into and in fact expect them and always ride them out to happy times again. But this bad run became ruthless. I was careful during this bad run, being certain not to over play. My deposits slowed down at this site and were spaced apart more then I like.

I am a 95% video poker player with maybe 5% thrown at real series slots. But no matter how little or much I tried it remained ruthless. During this negative run my bankroll never was up more then 2 or 3 hundred dollars, maybe once I hit 5. The sessions were shorter then ever and after giving back 7k I decided I had enough.

I sent an e-mail to casino support explaining that I felt the RTP was placed at a lower level and no longer was enjoying my play time at their casino. I also asked them to e-mail me when they turn it back up, and I’d give them another go of it. (Sarcastic comment of course)

Sure enough Tuesday of this week I received an e-mail from them. They expressed their sadness of me having such bad luck at their site followed up with these things do happen. They assured me that it is impossible for them to control any settings set forth from their provider RTG. But because of my loyalty they already deposited into my account a $1,000.00 no deposit free chip good for all games, with 20x’s play through and 2x’s max cash out. A far cry from the $50.00 no deposit bonus coupon (for slots only) they give me for xmas with 20x’s play through and 2x’s max cash out which of course I never claimed.

Low and behold I go to the site and sure enough the 1k is sitting in my account. I start off with my usual $5.00 dollar a single hand of my favorite video poker games. The instant success was one like I never experienced before. Endless 4 of a kind’s, straight flushes, (2 within 6 hands) boat after boat, I was immediately saying to myself this can’t be. (Never hit a royal though) Went to joker poker for $10.00 dollars and $25.00 dollars a hand and again great success. Within two hours my bankroll is at 6k. The poker cooled off a bit so I go to Texas Tycoon for $6.25 a spin. Within my first 20 spins I hit some crap with the guy in the middle with 10x’s for over $2,300.00 dollars which was more then the Random Jackpot. That cooled off quick, so I jumped around playing several different real series slots and eventually I went back to poker that although wasn’t hitting big anymore it wasn’t taken much money from my bankroll. I decide to call it a night with my bankroll still at 7k and a little more then 10k towards my play through.

To make a long story longer Wednesday night I sign back in and again I pick up where I lead off, covered my entire 20k play through and cashed the max 2x’s plus the bonus for a total of 3k.

So, after 7 weeks and 7k of endless abuse, I send an e-mail get a free chip and all of a sudden I’m king of the casino. Does anyone here find this suspicious??? Can something special in fact be done random for any particular player they choose, in the hopes of keeping me depositing?

I know no one for sure here could answer that, and many will stand up for the online casino. But for a player like myself in fact having this experience, I will continue even more to smell something is cooking in cyberspace...

Wow, for being such a High Roller why would you continue if you feel as though something is cooking in cyberspace? Personally I feel unless you can do a simple screen shot showing that you are in fact playing in the 7 K's like you say this sounds like nothing more than another looser thread trying to stir up support. Back it up and I'll listen..:

I understand this is an open forum but you're just talking and not showing proof, which can be done very easily. I challenge you to show proof of what your stating. . Waiting...

[Nifty29]

But because of my loyalty they already deposited into my account a $1,000.00 no deposit free chip good for all games, with 20x’s play through and 2x’s max cash out.

Wow...thats a pretty nice bonus there 4OAK. If you dont want the next one I'll take it

Seriously though, Im surprised you are inferring that the casino is somehow ripping you off (well more than they are supposed to anyway) when you got a nice chunk of change in your pocket without a deposit. Im worried about what you might have posted if you lost the bonus.

Sounds like a good place to play judging from that example.

Saying that they are unable to control RTP on games is just pure lie

Bryan confirmed with RTG that operators can change the RTP settings within a given range but not without permission from RTG themselves.

The part the bothers me about that is that the player should be told about it, or if that cant be done the casino should commit publicly to a minimum RTP and abide by it. It isnt fair to get a lower RTP at one RTG compared to another when there is no way for the player to tell.

They can control for even for bet size, for each game.

Im fairly sure dogboy said something about this being done as well i.e. that RTP can depend on coin size, much in the same way as VP often has different paytables for different coins.

In casinos many things are "random" such as these competitions some of them hold.

Well its really a trust thing with all these 'random draws'. I dont take any notice as nobody has even proved they are random and unless they are going to be drawn live then we will never know. IMO dont ever deposit solely based on winning a random draw.

The problem with 4OAKs theory is, and think its what TOC is getting at, that none of the occurrences you describe are impossible nor are they rare. I have had very very similar experiences with VP at RTG, and I must admit that sometimes I wonder if it doesnt run on a slot RNG....but I do play the high variance VPs like double double bonus and bonus deuces wild so I have to swallow the long dry spells to be able to enjoy the big hits. It would interesing to know what VPs you play, as some of them are very streaky.

Earlier in the week I had a nice win at Jackpot Capital (no bonus) and cashed out a nice sum, and then received an email stating I had gone up to diamond status and got a $200 ND bonus as a result. The playthru was 60x with a 5x max, and I actually made it and cashed out the max. I made another 2 deposits yesterday and couldnt even hit a boat. Do I think they 'turned my account down' - nup. Why? Ive seen this kind of thing over and over and Ive been there and done that, AND Ive thought like you do at times....but I now know that losing is part of the deal and, just the same as I have hit some real monsters, I have had some hard times and this has always been the case.

Im not saying you're right or wrong. All Im saying is that I havent seen anything posted here about RTG or MG or 3Dice that makes me seriously think "these guys are taking me, or someone else, for a ride".

I agree with TOC insofar as no evidence has been presented to support cheating (and that is what it would be) by RTG software or any accredited operators. A single experience or bad loss or unusual run of luck is not, unfortunately, evidence. If someone finds something concrete, Im there with bells on!

Of course, the ultimate choice is a personal one - if you really think it isnt above board then dont give them your money. I know I wouldnt.

[Wildfire7]

I don't think there is anything in this. No casino in the world dishes out a free 1k chip and then lets you purposely win another 2k.

Your luck changed and so did your mindset. They unexpectedly gave you a free 1K chip, so all the pressures off you and you can start betting freely again. If people are playing feeling upset, feeling this, that and the other is rigged, then it can feel that no matter what you do, you will lose.

A happy gambler is in much more control, sure he might still lose, but he hasn't got the weight of the world on his shoulders.

In this business state of mind is everything, money can't buy that. So I have found it best only to play when you are feeling totally relaxed and all is well with the world. Otherwise do something less stressful, like taking the dog for a walk!

Mike