Very Strange Win

[slotjunkie]

REGARDING POST Very strange win:

I saved a chat that I had with a highly accredited casino in which he confirmed that indeed all of the software is controlled by the CASINO, NOT the SOFTWARE PROVIDER!!! And this was confirmed by two casinos using different gaming software!
4 of a kind, you are not crazy, you are following the intuition that God put in you! That feeling in your gut that tells you something aint right!!
My husband has been in IT(software) for a very long time and he says ANY software can be manipulated, period!

All that mumble jumble about your luck just suddenly changed(at the exact time of your complaint) is just that, mumble jumble!!!!!! You have put a nice amount of money into there casino and with your threat to leave unless they change their RTP, they got their act together asap!
Let you believe you are winning, (when really it is your money you put in anyway), you are now again happy with their casino, and will once again put in big $$$$$!
I make it a habit to stay in tune with that gut feeling that is trying to get my attention, that is what it is there for! It is not IBS people, pay attention!

[bakonlin]

REGARDING POST Very strange win:

I saved a chat that I had with a highly accredited casino in which he confirmed that indeed all of the software is controlled by the CASINO, NOT the SOFTWARE PROVIDER!!! And this was confirmed by two casinos using different gaming software!
4 of a kind, you are not crazy, you are following the intuition that God put in you! That feeling in your gut that tells you something aint right!!
My husband has been in IT(software) for a very long time and he says ANY software can be manipulated, period!

All that mumble jumble about your luck just suddenly changed(at the exact time of your complaint) is just that, mumble jumble!!!!!! You have put a nice amount of money into there casino and with your threat to leave unless they change their RTP, they got their act together asap!
Let you believe you are winning, (when really it is your money you put in anyway), you are now again happy with their casino, and will once again put in big $$$$$!
I make it a habit to stay in tune with that gut feeling that is trying to get my attention, that is what it is there for! It is not IBS people, pay attention!

I also believe the casino set the software.6 Years ago I met a lady coincidently in front of a casino whilst waiting the casino to open.She was the owner of 10 slot machines in another area.
She said that only 2 of the machines were set letting the players to get more winning hit than loosing,whilst the rest of the machines were not possible for the players to win.If it was not done the players would not play in that place if all the machines rob the players.
Of course this was the individual machine so the owner could do the set up easier,but the fact the software were set up by the owner of the casino is true.

[De Beuker]

REGARDING POST Very strange win:

I saved a chat that I had with a highly accredited casino in which he confirmed that indeed all of the software is controlled by the CASINO, NOT the SOFTWARE PROVIDER!!! And this was confirmed by two casinos using different gaming software!
4 of a kind, you are not crazy, you are following the intuition that God put in you! That feeling in your gut that tells you something aint right!!
My husband has been in IT(software) for a very long time and he says ANY software can be manipulated, period!

All that mumble jumble about your luck just suddenly changed(at the exact time of your complaint) is just that, mumble jumble!!!!!! You have put a nice amount of money into there casino and with your threat to leave unless they change their RTP, they got their act together asap!
Let you believe you are winning, (when really it is your money you put in anyway), you are now again happy with their casino, and will once again put in big $$$$$!
I make it a habit to stay in tune with that gut feeling that is trying to get my attention, that is what it is there for! It is not IBS people, pay attention!

Slotjunkie, would you mind posting that chatconversation here?
I think I've read it on another forum a while ago and if it is the post I think it is, it was very..eh..scary to say the least.
I think many people here would love to read that conversation.

[PenDragyn21]

REGARDING POST Very strange win:

I saved a chat that I had with a highly accredited casino in which he confirmed that indeed all of the software is controlled by the CASINO, NOT the SOFTWARE PROVIDER!!! And this was confirmed by two casinos using different gaming software!
4 of a kind, you are not crazy, you are following the intuition that God put in you! That feeling in your gut that tells you something aint right!!
My husband has been in IT(software) for a very long time and he says ANY software can be manipulated, period!

All that mumble jumble about your luck just suddenly changed(at the exact time of your complaint) is just that, mumble jumble!!!!!! You have put a nice amount of money into there casino and with your threat to leave unless they change their RTP, they got their act together asap!
Let you believe you are winning, (when really it is your money you put in anyway), you are now again happy with their casino, and will once again put in big $$$$$!
I make it a habit to stay in tune with that gut feeling that is trying to get my attention, that is what it is there for! It is not IBS people, pay attention!

I apologize in advance if this post is too long or harsh. But software red herrings keep us looking in the wrong direction while the real scam is going on elsewhere.

This is mumbo-jumbo. Changing RTP isn't turning on or off a magical "win" switch. It wouldn't affect just one player or just one type of deposit (because this is all a free chip is). If they did something like this everyone would have noticed.

From what I've seen from using RTG software, it's a glorified internet explorer browser and the casino games and the cashier are two very different, separate software. Have you ever noticed the how long it takes it to go cashier instead of the lobby and why the cashiers at places like Bodog and CWC don't look or work the same? I don't think the main gaming part knows the difference between a free chip or a cash deposit or a deposit from a high roller vs a low roller. All it knows are credits in/credits out and I believe that's very deliberate on RTG's part so that what's being alleged in the post can't happen.

Yes, software can be manipulated but what you're husband is probably referring to is call hacking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack_%28technology%29). "Manipulating" software usually means getting it to do something it normally wasn't intended to do. Since all of the RTG casinos use the same game software and some of the operators do give us a peek behind the curtain every now and them, I think they might have mentioned something about this. So what that means is if this casino has "magical" winning free chips it's because they went out got a really clever programmer who hacked the software to do something it normally doesn't do. And this programmer is also is clever enough to circumvent whatever failsafes and doublechecks RTG has in place to protect the integrity of their software.

[silcnlayc]

whatever failsafes and doublechecks RTG has in place to protect the integrity of their software.

Where is the "Proof" in this statement? Or is it just an assumption that you want to believe that they have done this for protecting the integrity? As I have been told many times...prove it...that they have these failsafes..if not then I suggest you restate this as an assumption...or belief..

All it takes to change software is one line of code placed in the right place...and removed when no longer needed..and can be done by anyone knowing software or writing codes..

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[Wildfire7]

Pendragyn21 Changing RTP isn't turning on or off a magical "win" switch. It wouldn't affect just one player or just one type of deposit (because this is all a free chip is). If they did something like this everyone would have noticed.

This is true, changing the RTP few % here and there is not going to produce obvious changes to a players session. Even if the RTP is set at the lowest setting players could still be lucky and win.

It is sheer fantasy that players can fire an email off to the management and get a winning run to help them along. The fact of the matter is playing in a casino involves an element of financial risk. Long losing streaks do not indicate that the games are somehow set unfairly.

When you listen to some of these RTG players complaining you would think they are being forced to play. You do have a choice, if you feel the software is unfair then stand up for your beliefs and do not give these casinos your money.

Alas this never happens, despite all the moaning players will come back again. When they win you hear them cry its rigged because the casino decided to let them win. When they lose they post on here its rigged because they cannot get a decent session.

Get this rigged mentality out of your head I say, and start playing software that you feel is not rigged. If your hobby is causing so much stress then surely its time to take a break or better still get a new hobby.

Mike

[PenDragyn21]

Where is the "Proof" in this statement? Or is it just an assumption that you want to believe that they have done this for protecting the integrity? As I have been told many times...prove it...that they have these failsafes..if not then I suggest you restate this as an assumption...or belief..

All it takes to change software is one line of code placed in the right place...and removed when no longer needed..and can be done by anyone knowing software or writing codes..

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The burden of proof lies on the party making the allegation. But if you insist "whatever failsafes and doublechecks RTG MAY have in place to protect the integrity of their software." Some of this is based on what I've read in the old RTG website before they took down most of the information.

It's also an assumption that it just takes one line of code in the right place in this particular instance to do this and that it can be done by anyone who can code.

One failsafe we know is in place is RTG has to confirm RTP change, so certain changes to the software send an alert to RTG. We also know that a third party checks their RNG. ASSUMPTION ALERT: Being that this is a client/server app, it is outright suicidal of RTG to have no checks in place protect the integrity of the data stream. Without it, forget the casinos, disreputable players would hack it left and right so that they always won.

[4 of a kind]

It is sheer fantasy that players can fire an email off to the management and get a winning run to help them along. The fact of the matter is playing in a casino involves an element of financial risk. Long losing streaks do not indicate that the games are somehow set unfairly.

When you listen to some of these RTG players complaining you would think they are being forced to play. You do have a choice, if you feel the software is unfair then stand up for your beliefs and do not give these casinos your money.

Alas this never happens, despite all the moaning players will come back again. When they win you hear them cry its rigged because the casino decided to let them win. When they lose they post on here its rigged because they cannot get a decent session.

Get this rigged mentality out of your head I say, and start playing software that you feel is not rigged. If your hobby is causing so much stress then surely its time to take a break or better still get a new hobby.

Mike

When it comes to online casinos or poker rooms, I always speak for myself and from personal experiences.

I can assure you if I never hit big and never cashed out I wouldn’t still be betting online after 10 years plus.

I respect your opinion and comments Wikdfire7 when you say if you don’t trust it don’t play it. Well I don’t trust it 100% and still play. Regardless how many deposits or cash outs I had in the past, I still always keep my eyes and ears open. I carry a negative bankroll with online casinos (not online poker) just as I do with land based casinos. When I play poker tournaments the entire time (except when I’m looking at my hold cards) I’m watching the table for poker tells, and a careful eye on collusion team signals, chip dumping, soft play, etc... None of this might be going on during any one particular game but this doesn’t mean I’m going to stop looking. Many incidents have happened in the past especially at local poker clubs that got ugly. Maybe some day I’ll share some of these stories in the attic.

Now when it comes to online casinos I don’t care how accredited they are, the online casino industry themselves insist on not coming to the forefront. All they constantly do is create doubt and distrust. Casino owners, operators, software providers, programmers, casino support, cashiers, everyone involved want to remain anonymous with the luxury of hiding in cyberspace. Not one of them ever come forward and explains anything as a matter of fact. Did you know that just about all the reps you speak to at a casino the name they use during chat is not their real name?

Seventy percent of the threads here are about being abused in one form or another. Yes, I also understand many are real petty and senseless. But overall based on what we read here you can’t possibly think that all is fare in cyberspace casinos.

As far as me having this illusion of firing off an e-mail getting a free chip and winning with it is confirming any thing more then pure coincidence is hopefully nonsense. Yet, on the other hand can you be absolutely 100% positive it was pure coincidence? I certainly can’t prove it wasn’t a coincidence. Can you prove it was a coincidence?

I started this thread stating “Its things like this that happen to me that prevent me from letting go of the suspicions I have when it comes to online gambling”. I closed it with “I will continue even more to smell something is cooking in cyberspace”... Nothing more here then expressing my feelings. Of course I have no proof.

I respect what you or anyone else here have to say and will always listen. I may or may not agree, but that doesn’t mean what I or you have to say is the law of the land.

Before I flip a coin with you for my cash, I want to see the coin before you flip it and I want to pick it off the floor after the flip for another inspection or I’m not paying.

As far as online casinos go, as long as it stays in its present form the rigged accusations will never end. I'll probably get this rigged mentality out of my head when the U.S.A. hopefully get involved.

On a personal note, I never complained about any losing streak and lord knows I’ve had a few. I’ve complained about having a terrible year or two but not any one casino. In addition I always got treated fairly after becoming loyal to many different online casinos over the years. This doesn’t mean I can’t think they might be screwing me.

When I think it gets over the top and there's no chance at all, that's when I'll quit my hobby. But for now I'm still enjoying myself even if I'm getting screwed.

[bryand]

I started this thread stating “Its things like this that happen to me that prevent me from letting go of the suspicions I have when it comes to online gambling”. I closed it with “I will continue even more to smell something is cooking in cyberspace”... Nothing more here then expressing my feelings. Of course I have no proof.

Reading this part of your post I laughed and had to chime in about forum threads in general. If I started a thread titled "I'm not confident about the integrity of online casinos." posts would show up accusing me of cheating and paraphrasing me as saying the entire internet was bogus. On page 2 of the thread a post would say that I really meant to slander every online casino and that I really have it out for CM and its moderators. On page 3, I would be accused of denying the holocaust and of making death threats against Mr. Microsoft himself

/derail

[slotjunkie]

Where is the "Proof" in this statement? Or is it just an assumption that you want to believe that they have done this for protecting the integrity? As I have been told many times...prove it...that they have these failsafes..if not then I suggest you restate this as an assumption...or belief..

All it takes to change software is one line of code placed in the right place...and removed when no longer needed..and can be done by anyone knowing software or writing codes..

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THANK YOU!
Has nothing to do with hacking, just as silcnlayc stated it is a simple line change or code. Who do you think made the software in the first place, software engineers who as well know how to manipulate it easily!
And they do not have to change the settings as a whole, they can change it per player!
I will post chat convo and other supporting info later!