Roulette69 issue - PAB rejected - player upset

[LonelyHearts]

I have not been a member here long but just my 2 cents.

Who gives a rats nannies if they are making money from being an affiliate or from advertising. This website does more for the casino players as a hole, i mean seriously bryan lets all you other webmasters and affiliates be known to us other users and have your websites listed here. NOT to mention all the bullshit affiliates out there who do crap for the people that sign up thru there websites let alone advertise rougue casino's willingly. Also who do you think pays for he pabs etc and if maxd or bryan where to be biased towards any casino here im sure it would be noticed in a heart beat and this place would be deserted.



Cheers
matt

YEP! Who gives a rats nannies. If my congressman is getting money for X company, Y company, and Z company as long as he still serves the public. Makes one wonder why the public didn't want the health care plan. But Congress passed it anyways. I guess XYZ has more pull then US. Not saying my congressman don't serve us at times. Just sometimes he has to serve XYZ also.

[Nifty29]

In my experience, when a PAB or complaint is rejected due to alleged fraud it usually turns out to be justified.

Ive also found that the complainant tries to deflect attention away from what they probably did by getting stuck into Bryan, Max, the Casino, and anyone else who gets in the way.

Where there is smoke their is almost always fire.

Of course, Im also open-minded enough to believe there is a first time for everything.

P.S. Ive played numerous times at R69 with and without bonuses, with big and small bets, and big and small deposits and WON - and was paid every time most promptly. So what is the difference between you and I ???

[sally_bairnish]

In my experience, when a PAB or complaint is rejected due to alleged fraud it usually turns out to be justified.

Ive also found that the complainant tries to deflect attention away from what they probably did by getting stuck into Bryan, Max, the Casino, and anyone else who gets in the way.

Where there is smoke their is almost always fire.

Of course, Im also open-minded enough to believe there is a first time for everything.

P.S. Ive played numerous times at R69 with and without bonuses, with big and small bets, and big and small deposits and WON - and was paid every time most promptly. So what is the difference between you and I ???

Sorry, I shouldn't come accross as having a go at Bryan and Max so much, just that I don't like being called a fraudster and being barred from telling the public about my experience.

Maybe the difference between us is that I got lucky enough to win quite big quite early on, so they weren't 100% sure if they would recoup the money from me later on, whereas with you maybe it's different.

I just want the public to decide and see what goes on behind the scences with some of these places. I've presented everything I know of the situation, If I've done bad, then please let me know what it is. I'm being honest when I say I don't have duplicate accounts.... and I don't see what advantage I could have had by having them either, seeing as I'm just playing their slots.

[BLUEWATER]

Seem like you not going to get your winning. You are lucky you even got all of your deposit back. Just be thankful and move on.

[Nifty29]

Maybe the difference between us is that I got lucky enough to win quite big quite early on, so they weren't 100% sure if they would recoup the money from me later on, whereas with you maybe it's different.

As I recall, I cashed out about $1000 from a $50 deposit on the signup bonus- so they didnt really know if I would be back, but they paid me nonetheless. No problems at all.

One thing I CAN gaurantee is that Max and Bryan will ALWAYS treat each PAB fairly and take the players' claim at face value, until such time as evidence appears to the contrary.

If Max banned you for a fraudulent claim, then I would have to say there must be something you're not telling us.....and maybe you know that Max can't tell us for security reasons (i.e. it may reveal how the casinos detect fraud etc)....so he cant really provide all the necessary evidence.

I can't remember a member being re-instated after being banned for a dodgy PAB with a "sorry we got it all wrong" from CM. Why? Because CM doesnt take this decision lightly and he must have been VERY sure of what happened.

If you ARE telling the FULL story, and you are proven right and your membership is re-instated, I will donate $50 to your favorite charity.

[jetset]

We're going off at something of a tangent here, and in any case I seem to recall that Bryan has in the past made it clear that the bulk of his income from this website is from 'real estate' as opposed to affiliate deal advertising.

But I'll leave that to him to address.

Back on topic. If there's one thing I've learned from many years of frequenting Casinomeister, it's that the PAB system is honest and it works. For both sides, because balance is what this site is all about.

Operators will not divulge publicly the anti-fraud measures they take against online gamblers because they believe - rightly or wrongly - that this merely educates fraudsters in how to get around them.

That means that a trusted person like Bryan acting as an intermediary (and that sort of independent integrity takes years to build up) is given the facts and confirms whether the operator was within his rights to take the action complained about.

If it isn't, you can be sure that Casinomeister will speak out, and it would be unwise for any operator to persist if CM opined that he was being unfair.

Regrettably, there are a helluva lot of fraudulent folks out there, and oft-times there is a genuine case for stopping their nonsense.

Unfortunately, this free [PAB] public service that Casinomeister renders also lays Bryan and Max open to the sort of attacks we see in this thread, because, as we have seen here frequently, there are those fraudsters who will persevere despite being caught out.

I know who I would rather trust.

[baabaa006]

I am really intrigued by this.

Can't wait for Max or Bryan's response.

I'd love to know the full story of this one.

Is the OP telling the whole truth????

[jas2587]

I personally dont think it is any of our biz to know how an what Bryan makes his living by be it affilates buying banners shipping beer selling his autograph
thats his info dont know why it keeps being brought up its a great site every one gets to say nearly pretty much what they want so let it be

Cindy

[spearmaster]

I'm sure Max has all the relevant details and made the call he thought was correct.

I do, however, want to point out one thing - if the winnings were made off that last deposit, without a bonus - then it is completely irrelevant whether or not the person is linked to other accounts because he/she gained no advantage by making a deposit without receiving a bonus.

If this is the case, then in my lowly opinion the player should be paid.

[Nifty29]

I'm sure Max has all the relevant details and made the call he thought was correct.

I do, however, want to point out one thing - if the winnings were made off that last deposit, without a bonus - then it is completely irrelevant whether or not the person is linked to other accounts because he/she gained no advantage by making a deposit without receiving a bonus.

If this is the case, then in my lowly opinion the player should be paid.

I can see that point Spear, but the question to be answered first is the whole 'chicken or the egg' thing. If they opened another account, or claimed first deposit bonuses on a computer or site etc where someone else has claimed a bonus BEFORE they made other deposits, then the account is effectively fraudulent before any subsequent deposits are made so there couldnt actually be any legitimate winnings beyond the first deposit. In other words, the 'fruit of the poisonous tree' if you like.

If casinos asked for docs upon the first deposit, then these situations could be avoided and its good to see that some are starting to do this.

At least R69 refunded the deposits, which some operators wouldn't.

I would be surprised if more information doesnt come to light in the near future.....