Random? I think not....

[silcnlayc]

I went in and played for real just to satisfy my curiousity...(I do seem to blow a lot of money to prove something but ahh well...that is just me) and I found that the RTG games have been wieghted so heavily..that it will be like finding a needle in a haystack to win there anymore.

I played Caesars for hundreds of spins and this is the pattern I got (no bonus now in all the spins)

I also tried the Honeybee one since they are similar and found the same pattern..Yes, I know I will be ragged on but it seems mighty strange that many are seeng and complaining a lot about what I predicted is happening a long time ago when I was pretty much put out to pasture then saying I was wrong and that wouldn't happen etc etc.....but it has come to pass all my warnings, and you guys are now complaing of what I pointed out over a year ago when I was poohed poohed and told I was "dreaming" cause casinos won't do what I said they were doing........and now I have another...for players..

I spun hundreds on both these games and this is what is happening..back to back...until I see the last reel trigger...

Caesars: When I say "no show" that means it didn't even pass the window, it was MISSING during these spins.

5 spins, a wild in each spin with a no show of colosseum passing in the window on the end for bonus trigger each spin

10 spins, a wild in each spin with a no show of colosseum passing in the window on the end for bonus trigger each spin

1 spin spins, no wild in each spin with a show of colosseum on the end for bonus trigger each spin

1 spin spins, no wild in each spin with a show of colosseum on the end for bonus trigger each spin

4 spins, a wild in each spin with a no show of colosseum passing in the window on the end for bonus trigger each spin

8 spins, a wild in each spin with a no show of colosseum passing in the window on the end for bonus trigger each spin

2 spin spins, no wild in each spin with a show of colosseum passing in the window on the end for bonus trigger each spin

These spins are listed as they happened continuously...no break in the spins..I wrote down each one as it was happening and this is what I got, and this pretty much repeated itself in both these games for hundreds of spins...

I would like others to start watching the bonus trigger reel on these games and count how many spins it takes to show in a window much less pas by on the reel while spinning. These triggers did not even PASS by the window while spinning on all these spins...

Yes, the casinos are definitely gotten to the point of scary in the ways they are changing these games...even the GOOD casinos are now doing it..and this one is from a GOOD casino...be wise in where you are spending your money...RTG's are not the ones to play at at this time IMO...there are a few good ones left where the money actually lasts....play them until RTG operators get back on the wagon of being fair again..

As we say, talk with you money...and walk .....when the time comes you realize it is no longer "right".

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[vinylweatherman]

That could be an easy one to analyse.

What you should look for is a CORRELATION between the appearance or not of a wild, and the appearance or not of a colosseum. IF the game is random, there should be none. What passes by in the window can be discounted, the last reel on this slot is 100 or so symbols long!! What matters are the stopping positions.

If the game is "cheating", then the last reel will be weighted so as to tend to avoid the colosseum when a wild is shown on one of the others.

Using statistics, you can reach a "proof" of sorts by showing that there is a 95% or greater probability that your results are NOT merely down to chance, but demonstrate the validity of your starting theorem.

The small sample quoted will be far too small to do this, and will only convince those who already believe RTG rigs the games.

The current understanding is that RTG "cheat" players by varying the overall return of the slots between the range 91% and 97.5%. Prolonged poor results are more likely to be representative of the use of the 91% RTP setting, than an indication of a specific weighting against bonus rounds.

A drop of 4% in RTP (95% to 91% - the most likely thing RTG casinos are doing) is SIGNIFICANT, and regular players of a game will certainly notice the fall in playing time per unit of bankroll.

[LonelyHearts]

Originally Posted by silcnlayc

I went in and played for real just to satisfy my curiousity...(I do seem to blow a lot of money to prove something but ahh well...that is just me) and I found that the RTG games have been wieghted so heavily..that it will be like finding a needle in a haystack to win there anymore.

I played Caesars for hundreds of spins and this is the pattern I got (no bonus now in all the spins)

I also tried the Honeybee one since they are similar and found the same pattern..Yes, I know I will be ragged on but it seems mighty strange that many are seeng and complaining a lot about what I predicted is happening a long time ago when I was pretty much put out to pasture then saying I was wrong and that wouldn't happen etc etc.....but it has come to pass all my warnings, and you guys are now complaing of what I pointed out over a year ago when I was poohed poohed and told I was "dreaming" cause casinos won't do what I said they were doing........and now I have another...for players..

I spun hundreds on both these games and this is what is happening..back to back...until I see the last reel trigger...

Caesars: When I say "no show" that means it didn't even pass the window, it was MISSING during these spins.

5 spins, a wild in each spin with a no show of colosseum passing in the window on the end for bonus trigger each spin

10 spins, a wild in each spin with a no show of colosseum passing in the window on the end for bonus trigger each spin

1 spin spins, no wild in each spin with a show of colosseum on the end for bonus trigger each spin

1 spin spins, no wild in each spin with a show of colosseum on the end for bonus trigger each spin

4 spins, a wild in each spin with a no show of colosseum passing in the window on the end for bonus trigger each spin

8 spins, a wild in each spin with a no show of colosseum passing in the window on the end for bonus trigger each spin

2 spin spins, no wild in each spin with a show of colosseum passing in the window on the end for bonus trigger each spin

These spins are listed as they happened continuously...no break in the spins..I wrote down each one as it was happening and this is what I got, and this pretty much repeated itself in both these games for hundreds of spins...

I would like others to start watching the bonus trigger reel on these games and count how many spins it takes to show in a window much less pas by on the reel while spinning. These triggers did not even PASS by the window while spinning on all these spins...

Yes, the casinos are definitely gotten to the point of scary in the ways they are changing these games...even the GOOD casinos are now doing it..and this one is from a GOOD casino...be wise in where you are spending your money...RTG's are not the ones to play at at this time IMO...there are a few good ones left where the money actually lasts....play them until RTG operators get back on the wagon of being fair again..

As we say, talk with you money...and walk .....when the time comes you realize it is no longer "right".

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I've noticed and said the same thing about RTG in a post. The trigger symbol just disappears or speeds up. I know you are telling the truth. I loaded my netspend card 10 days ago with $500. I have not spent 1 red cent. Something just came over me and told me you FOOL! So im going to pay my bills with it when they come due. I refuse to be tempted anymore. I REFUSE!!! I know these games are fixed and predermine. In this economy you better believe the casinos are losing big depositors. I have accepted the fact online gambling is not for me.

[nisosbar]

I trust very few of the RTG casinos, personally.

Now, I've set up accounts with lots of the RTG casinos (the ones recommended here), and I know everyone raves about Inet and Jackpot and a few others; I've deposited and played for months now, but I have not had hits anywhere near as healthy and frequent as Rival or even MG. In fact, I think I have gotten a single big hit on RTG - like 400x - since the beginning of last summer. Meanwhile, it seems like every time I log on to Rival, I can count on a 100x hit at least once per session, maybe once every two sessions. And of course, occasionally even bigger hits. Obviously this is anecdotal but that's why I don't deposit all that much with RTG.

[silcnlayc]

I will say it again, RTG casino operators have lost their way.

frequent as Rival or even MG.

I also say there are a lot of other software casinos out there that have kept in line as to what the story line is.

We KNOW gamblers will gamble , win, go back and lose double sometimes as what was won...we also know that gamblers need a small adrenaline rush to keep coming back, to lose that plus some.

The SMART casino operators do understand this and give the player a thrill every once in a while whether it is a small one or not, whereas, some casino operators have lost the story line and is going in for the kill...RTG has done this IMO.

They will also be their own enemy and lose more than they can actually suck out from any more players that come to realize, it has become a lose, lose proposition there as the players leave for better and more fertile grounds. It used to be a lose, lose, win, lose, lose, and we acepted that but the wins have been removed . Again, this is JMO


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[nisosbar]

Originally Posted by silcnlayc

We KNOW gamblers will gamble , win, go back and lose double sometimes as what was won...we also know that gamblers need a small adrenaline rush to keep coming back, to lose that plus some.

The SMART casino operators do understand this and give the player a thrill every once in a while whether it is a small one or not, whereas, some casino operators have lost the story line and is going in for the kill...RTG has done this IMO.

They will also be their own enemy and lose more than they can actually suck out from any more players that come to realize, it has become a lose, lose proposition there as the players leave for better and more fertile grounds. It used to be a lose, lose, win, lose, lose, and we acepted that but the wins have been removed . Again, this is JMO


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I agree with you. Like most gamblers, I am aware that the house will ALWAYS have an edge. That is, I am prepared to lose more than I win over the long-term. But I can afford to lose $25 here and there. It's not about spending and losing funds I have alotted to my entertainment budget. Regardless of the form of entertainment I spend that money on (hookers, blow, fine wine, theater, etc.), I do not ever anticipate getting that money back. With online casinos, the slots aren't going to change all that much, and the game loses its novelty, but the entertainment comes from the occasional big win - almost like a piggy bank or shaking the money tree. IMO, RTG gives out few free chips and returns less to the typical player. Playing slots on RTG sometimes seems more akin to playing instant lottery tickets (and their 60% or whatever RTP) than playing roulette (which is what, like 98 or 99%).

I really don't understand what the appeal is over Rival. I do enjoy some RTG games, and I'm not trying to be negative here. I like Goldbeard, Sunken Treasure, Paydirt and Aztec. But when there are so many other more lucrative slots elsewhere, people are just going to move on.

[lauriejim]

Im just getting tired of RTG in general, i never thought i would say that but ive noticed the same thing as the OP, its frustrating and its just not with RTG that i have noticed this pattern, maybe the casinos are having rough times too due to the economy, myself, im not here to give them a BAILOUT.

They are talking about making gambling legal along with pot on one of the stations i watch, going to be alot more compitition out there if this happens, they need to make the players feel all warm and fuzzy instead of trying to get that last dollar without all the teasing, where the symbal slows down, speeds up and passes on by........just my thoughts for what its worth..................laurie

[Wildfire7]

I have found quite frequently its an all or nothing scenario on some of these slots. You can go a couple of thousand spins with hardly a bonus round in site, then another time it goes crazy retrigger after retrigger, bonus rounds appearing on the first spin etc. Its almost like they are all bunched up together hence the long dry cold spells.

This I have found happens on all the softwares not limited just to RTG's
Sometimes you can kinda sense these terrible long dry spells, best to either get out fast or play minimum bet to ride out the "slot turbulance"

Wouldn't get too disheartened by it, i'm sure it happens to us all, but you will get lucky one night with some big hits!

Mike

[silcnlayc]

Sometimes you can kinda sense these terrible long dry spells, best to either get out fast or play minimum bet to ride out the "slot turbulance"

Actually these "slot turbulances" have just started in the last 2 years...go back and see how many winners there were before the law changed..and casinos then look at the last 2 years where they tightened up..

It is not just a losing spell that is the issue, it is the disregard of players that is the worst of this ...the ones that have been playing at these same casinos for over 10 years and KNOW how it was and the way it should be vs what they are doing now and that is making a killin off the unwary gambler that strolls into their casinos...

I am not upset or bitter, just so darn disapointed and resigned to what they are doing because I loved their games...I have accepted the fact that they will continue to drain all they can from a player ..and this is why I have uninstalled them and thankfully I have found new stomping grounds that are on the same level as I have been used to that RTG was before the greed.....

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[Mavin1]

Does any of RTG reps ever come to the forum and answer these ever increasing questions? Or do they not really care?