Rate your best/worst RTG casino!!!

[eu_lowroller]

Originally Posted by bernynhel

if there was a RTG Pay-O-Meter you could rate Grande Vegas (for example) "on the fence" and the rest "suck"! Right?

For me "Grande Vegas" is also with Buzzluck a RTG casino with the badest payout, because i claimed all welcome bonuses (i think it was 5 or 6 difference, from 200% down to 100%) on Grand Vegas and never got over my starting balance on every $50 deposit + 200%, 150%, 125%, 100% bonus and had very short playtimes instead af all another RTG casinos, although i must also say, that CasinoTitan is also not really good to me for long playtimes

So my favourites are Jackpotcapital (what else? *lol* and this not only for their great "cashable" bonuses") and All Star Slots

[casinojack]

Originally Posted by JHV

You should be directing your efforts to demanding online casinos (start with RTG if you wish) publish each Slot's HA (payout ratio is no good - obviously).

If a RTG casino did this, would not the next thread being about "how can a casino prove it?"

Vegas does not put each machines %, or any other land based does that I know, so curious on this statement?

[JHV]

Originally Posted by bernynhel

Great idea! Why don't you get started? You can start a thread to that effect, post a link to it back here and I'll be right over to contribute in any way you suggest instead of telling you why I think it wont work. And while you're getting a start on changing the world I'll be trying to figure out some way of gettinig a feel for how it exists now. Fair enough?

Whilst you're gettinig (sic) a feel for changing the world in a way which will only hurt your long-term aims, I'll be wherever actually doing things that make mathematical sense.

But I will come vote on your "poll" - with my "gut" - and so will all the shills, and everyone who has a vested interest one way or another - and the end result is that you won't just have a mathematically skewed and incorrect table of results, you'll have an intentionally screwed with table of results.

Now either you understand this or you don't. If you do understand the basic logic of what I'm saying, and you insist on proceeding, I will insist on asking why? I will push you to find out what vested interest you have in creating a poll which delivers a table of false results.

If you don't understand, just ask the smartest friend you have if what I'm saying is true. Or I can give you some Wikipedia links to educate yourself on basic mathematics as they apply to variance, statistical data and representative sampling / selection bias (customers v shills):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variance

(This above page on variance is actually a lot of fairly complicated and boring maths. All you really need to realise is that a Slot that pays out Jackpots which comprise of thousands of units or more - are going to be very HIGH variance gambling. High variance = even an objective observer will get the answer wrong almost every time (except when they hit a jackpot - then they will *likely* get the answer right]).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias

[bernynhel]

Originally Posted by casinojack

If a RTG casino did this, would not the next thread being about "how can a casino prove it?"

Vegas does not put each machines %, or any other land based does that I know, so curious on this statement?

And which governing body is going to stamp their verified seal of accuracy on the results? Not like it's a physical slot on a casino floor in Vegas with a Nevada Gaming Comission decal on it. NOT ONE ONLINE CASINO IS REGULATED BY ANYONE. That's what I think.

Originally Posted by eu_lowroller

For me "Grande Vegas" is also with Buzzluck a RTG casino with the badest payout, ... So my favourites are Jackpotcapital (what else? *lol* and this not only for their great "cashable" bonuses") and All Star Slots

OK then! An opinion! Good enough for me and I know who Jackpot Capital is and I never knew if anyone preferred them to any other RTG til just now so already, this a is a big help for me.

STARTING NOW: ANYONE WITH AN OPINION JUST POST WHICH RTG CASINOS "SUCK" AND WHICH "RULE". PLEASE KEEP IT SHORT AND USE BIG LETTERS.

I SAY: ALL VIRTUAL GROUP RTG CASINOS SUCK!!

LUCKY SLOTS/CUBA CLUB RTG CASINOS RULE!!

[JHV]

Originally Posted by casinojack

If a RTG casino did this, would not the next thread being about "how can a casino prove it?"

Vegas does not put each machines %, or any other land based does that I know, so curious on this statement?

What's your question? Yes, the next thread should be "how can we be sure these published HA's are accurate?".

And the answer will be that casinos have to get regular 3rd party auditing completed by TST or JacobsonGaming or whomever.

In Australia, it's required by law for each Slot to be locked to a fixed, published HA.

I realise RobWin is a shill that calls himself a "Gambling Guru" but is nothing like a Guru at all. Well, no, he is. He's a "Marketing Guru" that knows nothing about Gambling at all...so he's misrepresenting himself - and he's lying to you all about his Gambling Ability. He doesn't have any. I've proven this over and over and if he wishes to dispute my claim, we can have independent auditors come in (loser pays for the auditor) and assess his claim.

RobWin: How about it? This is an official challenge. We bring in an auditor who looks over your contributions for say, the last few months, assesses them for mathematical accuracy and logical arguments - then reaches a determination, based on your contributions on your website and on this forum, whether you really are a Gambling Guru or not. If they find that you are a Gambling Guru - I will leave this forum never to return (as well as pay for their bill). If they find that you are NOT a Gambling Guru at all, you have to remove your false claim that you are one as well as pull down your websites which are lying about your "Gambling Guru" status - you may remain, however, to learn actually how to be a Gambling Guru if you wish. But you will have paid for the auditor.

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If you are scared or somehow uncomfortable with your claim that you are, indeed, a Gambling Guru - please explain your reasons below.

[RobWin]

LOL JHV... Negative Rep back at cha buddy! You like to draw first blood by negative repping me don't cha? You never cease to amaze me here in all of the threads you reply in. Grow up please!
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[JHV]

Before you even *think* about asking, yes! Of course I am willing to put myself under similar scrutiny. And I'm not even marketing myself as a "Gambling Guru".

You know why? Because I don't need to.

Those who canNOT do....teach.

I'm actually a professional gambler. You are unable to be one, so you label yourself as an expert (which is a bold-faced lie) and you SELL gambling products.

[JHV]

Originally Posted by JHV

If you are scared or somehow uncomfortable with your claim that you are, indeed, a Gambling Guru - please explain your reasons below.

I'm yet to read your response to this.

[RobWin]

Originally Posted by JHV

I realise RobWin is a shill that calls himself a "Gambling Guru" but is nothing like a Guru at all. Well, no, he is. He's a "Marketing Guru" that knows nothing about Gambling at all...so he's misrepresenting himself - and he's lying to you all about his Gambling Ability. He doesn't have any. I've proven this over and over and if he wishes to dispute my claim, we can have independent auditors come in (loser pays for the auditor) and assess his claim.

RobWin: How about it? This is an official challenge. We bring in an auditor who looks over your contributions for say, the last few months, assesses them for mathematical accuracy and logical arguments - then reaches a determination, based on your contributions on your website and on this forum, whether you really are a Gambling Guru or not. If they find that you are a Gambling Guru - I will leave this forum never to return (as well as pay for their bill). If they find that you are NOT a Gambling Guru at all, you have to remove your false claim that you are one as well as pull down your websites which are lying about your "Gambling Guru" status - you may remain, however, to learn actually how to be a Gambling Guru if you wish. But you will have paid for the auditor.

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If you are scared or somehow uncomfortable with your claim that you are, indeed, a Gambling Guru - please explain your reasons below.

Someone Please tell me again what "Flaming" is here on this Forum exactly??

[JHV]

This forum is about the search for truth.

Are you afraid of the truth, Rob? If I am "flaming", then the auditor's assessment that you are indeed a "Gambling Guru" will result in my life ban from this forum.

So what exactly is there to be afraid of, if not the truth?