Rate your best/worst RTG casino!!!

[bernynhel]

Originally Posted by vinylweatherman

Fair enough, we have NOTHING at the moment, and whatever the accuracy of any "Pay-O-Meter", it should get the various operators' attention, and maybe create competition to have the loosest slots, rather than the silliest boni.

The problem is that RTG operators can keep dicking around with the RTP at will, tight one month, loose the next, so this is another reason that this poll will suffer innaccuracies.

RTG operators will NOT want to be "busted" with hard evidence, and probably believe players could never come up with it.

Every time an operator has responded to the point "your slots are tighter", it has been with "you were just unlucky, our games are unchanged.........."

NOW we are on the exact, same page!

[vinylweatherman]

Well, for a start we can award a big fat ZERO (1 is too good)to the Virtual group, whatever the payouts

Here is my rating for them:-

0



This cuts the workload in half

[rockycatt]

sounds like a fun and educational plus guide for players and owners
lets keep it going

i think im interested in the effect of reverseing funds also

[JHV]

You should be directing your efforts to demanding online casinos (start with RTG if you wish) publish each Slot's HA (payout ratio is no good - obviously).

Anything other than that is bordering on being silly (no offence). Your intentions are good, but the tiny sample size - combined with the inability of almost everyone to accurately determine anything that involves a high level of variance - will result in a poll so skewed in results it will only harm your long-term aim/s.

Do you understand why? It's because the poll with have zero true values (unless some are arrived at purely by chance). Every rating will be incorrect. Loose RTG's will be ranking as Tight. Tight will be ranked as Loose. Loose guys will figure "what's the point?" Tight guys will be laughing at the poll which lists them as "Loose" that month or consistently.

The end result is that you will provide no pressure to loosen the Slots, but in fact will be providing incentive to tighten them instead.

Good intentions.
Very bad result if you proceed with this crudely flawed methodology.

If you really want to put pressure on them, lobby for published HA's for each Slot.

[Mavin1]

Originally Posted by vinylweatherman

Well, for a start we can award a big fat ZERO (1 is too good)to the Virtual group, whatever the payouts

Here is my rating for them:-

0



This cuts the workload in half

You're right! I change my 1 & 1/2 to a big fat 0 as well

[vinylweatherman]

Originally Posted by JHV

You should be directing your efforts to demanding online casinos (start with RTG if you wish) publish each Slot's HA (payout ratio is no good - obviously).

Anything other than that is bordering on being silly (no offence). Your intentions are good, but the tiny sample size - combined with the inability of almost everyone to accurately determine anything that involves a high level of variance - will result in a poll so skewed in results it will only harm your long-term aim/s.

Do you understand why? It's because the poll with have zero true values (unless some are arrived at purely by chance). Every rating will be incorrect. Loose RTG's will be ranking as Tight. Tight will be ranked as Loose. Loose guys will figure "what's the point?" Tight guys will be laughing at the poll which lists them as "Loose" that month or consistently.

The end result is that you will provide no pressure to loosen the Slots, but in fact will be providing incentive to tighten them instead.

Good intentions.
Very bad result if you proceed with this crudely flawed methodology.

If you really want to put pressure on them, lobby for published HA's for each Slot.

This was my concern, we shouldn't take the results TOO seriously, but the nature of RTG software is that individual operators can change the RTP of the slots.

These values ARE published, but they are about as useful as a concrete parachute when it comes to using them to determine the payouts players will experience at individual RTG casinos, or even the SAME RTG casino on different days.

[RobWin]

You could post an actual "Poll" Bernie where you offer say 10 of the most popular RTG Casinos that most peeps here play at on a regular basis and offer in that poll for the player to either rate the casino in terms of overall "Tightness" or "Looseness" for the past months play there. I would only use those two options though.

Of course this would by no means be a scientific poll but it would show the general players consensus and feel of the overall games play there for the previous months play at each casino. If enough players vote in the poll then it would even be better.
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[bernynhel]

Originally Posted by JHV

You should be directing your efforts to demanding online casinos (start with RTG if you wish) publish each Slot's HA (payout ratio is no good - obviously).

Anything other than that is bordering on being silly (no offense). Your intentions are good, but the tiny sample size - combined with the inability of almost everyone to accurately determine anything that involves a high level of variance - will result in a poll so skewed in results it will only harm your long-term aim/s.

Do you understand why? It's because the poll with have zero true values (unless some are arrived at purely by chance). Every rating will be incorrect. Loose RTG's will be ranking as Tight. Tight will be ranked as Loose. Loose guys will figure "what's the point?" Tight guys will be laughing at the poll which lists them as "Loose" that month or consistently.



The end result is that you will provide no pressure to loosen the Slots, but in fact will be providing incentive to tighten them instead.

Good intentions.
Very bad result if you proceed with this crudely flawed methodology.

If you really want to put pressure on them, lobby for published HA's for each Slot.

Great idea! (I really mean it!) Why don't you get started? You can start a thread to that effect, post a link to it back here and I'll be right over to contribute in any way you suggest. And while you're getting a start on changing the world I'll be trying to figure out some way of getting a feel for how it exists now so that I don't deposit at an RTG site that any number of CM members could have told me is just a waste if only I had a general consensus. Fair enough?

And, yeah, but I only understand a little why the poll will be skewed since I only minored in statistics 30 years ago at UC Berkeley behind a B.A. in PoliSci. My idea is to provide a quick snap shot of which RTG sites players tend to think are loosest versus tightest. You have an opinion, don't you? From a list of, let's just say for now, 20 RTG casinos you've deposited and wagered at since, let's say, June 2005, if there were boxes to check for simply "loose" or "tight" for each one, in your opinion, based on your experience, how hard would it be for you to decide which box to check for each one? How accurate does it have to be? If a dozen CM members say RTG casino "X" SUCKS but that RTG casino "Y" RULES, are you going to deposit at "Y" to prove that the science of the poll is flawed? EXACTLY!!

[Mavin1]

In my opinion this thread is to allow members/players a place to vent, express their feelings of likes and dislikes about this platform. I think the reason for many of us will be because we really like the games and would love to pump our funds into them if they weren't so tight. I mean really how many spins should each person have to make to get a free spin or bonus round on slots? 1 5 10 50 100 200? Seriously when you are squeeking out 100+ spins and still haven't gotten a bonus round or free spins, a person just wants to scream But to who and where?
Lets be fair about it, it is becoming blatantly ridiculous that RTG's are becoming more take than give and everyone should know this.
All you will get from a casino is the same canned speech they have down pat about random number generators and all the bull. They are jumping on the people are to stupid bandwagon just like the FDA, Government, Credit Card companies and so on and figure they can do whatever they want to us and there is nothing we can do about it but squeek.
This is the place to get people squeeking and eventually the squeek will become a roar and then maybe just maybe they will sit up and listen.

[RobWin]

Originally Posted by bernynhel

Great idea! Why don't you get started? You can start a thread to that effect, post a link to it back here and I'll be right over to contribute in any way you suggest instead of telling you why I think it wont work. And while you're getting a start on changing the world I'll be trying to figure out some way of gettinig a feel for how it exists now. Fair enough?

Damn, wish I had said that... That could well be the "Quote" of the year! I may have to make that quote my new siggy...
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