How slot machines may work, an update!!!

[mac-online]

I have had no interest in Lottery style games in the past So I must admit I might not know Exactly how it operates.

What you are saying
"A player that hits the top prize in a lottery slot may, for instance, stop playing that game for a period, knowing that it's impossible to hit it again until the next lottery cycle"

This description gives me the idea you are talking about a physical scratch card system. My idea of a lotter system is
selling tickets,
stoping the sales and
drawing a winning number.

So I must not know how lottery tickets system works.

I see 3 systems in discussion here:
A- individual random # generation (slots)
B- One string of random numbers printing (scratch cards) and open them during a set time period
C- Print (lottery tickets), distribute them, stop sales and THEN a string of random numbers is generated to define wining #s.

My Comments
A- Very cool and in practice. A relaxed "Time Off For Fun" no brainer which slots are famous for.

B- I can see a HUGE diference in the scratch card system and a possible view of unfairness depending on the players make-up. But the players have the option of waiting for the next set of scratch cards, if they are aware of a large winner. This gives an added dimension of technique that can be applied by the player.

C- Different than slots but perhaps easier to monitor. Lottery systems have an assured out come of win distribution. This could be construde as more fair or less fair. In a strict sense of the word "fair" I would see it as being fair for me. Perhaps the word fair is similar to the word "big or small". It is relative to the observer in most cases. But it can be agreed upon that it does not lend weight to the sellers of the tickets nor the buyers.

[kimss]

A random system, by comparison, could award top prizes in successive spins.

I believe me analysiz of my previous years of gameplay through the playcheck data, and my experience as a compulsive gambler, tells me that while that may be a selling argument - it never happends!

I do however see this behaviour, machines giving the jackpot several times in a row also in landbased "random machines" in a way that it seems the systems are primed for payout. How the heck to a machine don't pay zilch for 3 months, then 3 jackpots in a saturday nite... Screw me over and make me believe it's random, right!

No no, there are things in play which we the players have little control over!

What we are arguing in this thread is really not interesting, since in the end a faulty system cannot be deteced without looking at the code. Only a dumb programmed skewing of data will be detected.

Remember online casinos give you your history, in plain numbers. This means they have taken into account players like me that download and go through the numbers. So if there is trickery, something I am convinced there is - it is impossible to prove since it boils down to bad luck.

(example: the system wants to eat your money, activate. If user has 100x win skip win. Meaning, it is impossible to have a good win until this feasture is disabled again. Normally a 100x win is hard enough to get, but without it your are dead anyway. Theese are the wins that make your day in the end, so by stealing 1 or 2 of theese wins, if you got them, you are a sure loser!)

Being in a pool of numbers, a lottery of you like, is nice if you are playing with others. However when playing with yourself it doesnt work since you only get the markedet 95% - always in the end. And still, an audit would prove it random since the number in themselves are... Just depends on where you jump into the cycle if you go straight up or straight down...

I said it before, I want to see some playcheck data for the next 10.000 spins from a guy in a Microgaming casino that won say 5K+. Most of us that play hard have had this, it's not that strange a win really! Keeping it is!

[mac-online]

Well we were having fun on a Sunday focusing on how different games were managed and work. Until Monday came along and threw reality on top of the fire. You are most likely right, dead on, in your analysis of casino honesty and manegment. But we will never know exactly to what extent nor whom. I would imagine there are a few white hats out there running a good ship in their Software companies and or casinos but perhaps the minority.

The industry is in quite a state being loosely monitored.

I still get the feeling that a software company and or casino could come along and set up a tight self monitoring system that would prove an honest game to the public. It could set a new standard that all others would be forced into. I still feel that this would be recognized by a large group of players as an alternative to being semi humiliated by black/gray hat manegment. I still feel that if this were set up that it would be popular and would gain customer support in a big way. With sucses other casinos could follow. It would not take a consenses of players nor casinos to impliment this. It would take only one software company or casino to make the snow ball and point it down the hill.

[jstrike]

In the scenario outlined, a pool-based system would call for a result from a central server, which would allocate a result from all remaining results.
Thus if the only remaining results are non-winning results, these will still be sent out irrespective of the fact that the player could not win.
Similarly, if the top prize result or results have all been won, there is nil chance that the player could win that prize.

Which is the main reason that these types of systems are inherently unfair...players have no way of determining whether they even stand a chance of winning, whereas in a random game there is no correlation between the game that is being played and games that have been played before.

Wow!!! Old thread, but this just came to my attention. That is sooooooo ass-backwards. I never knew that was how the fruit systems operated. That's supposed to prevent people from making bad decisions with their money?! What they should do is keep the RNG pool random and alter the pay tables based on how much is in, so that each player knows how much is available to win. Otherwise, what would prevent an operator from keeping the pool permanently almost-empty?

My dad had an old Bell-Fruit nickel slot he bought from somewhere...lucky me (wonder how I ended up this way) he stuck it in my room when I was a kid. Why do you think those things had a glass/mesh window covering the jackpot??? Because if it's empty, you don't play it.

[maxwall]

All reputable online casinos say they have no influence on the game results ok.

whence comes the data stream with the gameresults?? from casino server ?

where is the RNG and from where calculated the RNG my game results???

these are all the questions I ask myself since I play online! 7 years meanwhile


hm yes the RNG is random and fair....but in my eyes not always
example breakdabankagain in 20 spins i got 7 times 4 blue gems with wild on a winning line but on first reel no wild and no blue gem ! hmm is that random