RTG still rocks!

[TOC]

Come on here's facts!


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The fact is deposited $182.00 and cashed out for $3.500.00, whats up with all the bad posts?

 

[chuchu59]

Congratulations on your wins and thank you for your facts. However, it is equally true that RTG is giving many players a horrid time on the slots. You seem to have a knack of winning big with your comps. How do you do it?

 

[slotheadlizard]

TOC

Congrats on your wins, and I wish you continued success, however you have to know that your experiences are the exception. Many, many other players are getting slaughtered by RTG, and that's their experience. We all know that people do win, no one is saying that they don't. Those of us who have been playing for years, and recognize the rapid steady downward trend as compared to when we started are not delusional.

If all of your history logs read like this for month in and month out then you have a valid argument. For now, though, asking people why they are complaining about RTG seems like a rhetorical question to me. This is the third thread I've seen you post those logs, and ask what's up with RTG complaints. If you are going to go around championing RTG in every complaint thread about them, you will be writing for a very long time, there are many.

Furthermore, its great that you want to give credit to a casino/brand when you are winning, however its not so great to start a thread about how great it is and refute opinions from another thread that state the opposite, IMO. Which Ironically is what I'm doing, and its bad etiquette.

 

[Rusty]

Amazing how many new members have these unlikely wins.
Yes I am very cynical.

 

[oldtrvlagt]

I think they have to wait until reality sinks in......IMHO

 

[LaurieJim]

I also have had great wins at RTG casinos TOC but i have also fell off that high horse your riding on now, be prepared for that fall as it will come, saddle sores and all.

RTG is a fine software and im a loyal player to their casinos, so if i want to bitch or anyone else for that matter wants to bitch and moan......whats it to you?............You may find yourself in the same seat later on............laurie

 

[Rusty]

I agree RTG software is good entertainment and I honestly can not say their payouts are less than anywhere else, they all seem tight to me.
My RTG stats over Millions of spins would be about 85% (guesstimate) but that includes a RJ win.
My deposits dwarf my withdrawals by a considerable margin but admittedly I often carry on playing after a win.
My stats at MG would be quite similar but generally the software is, no was, less streaky IMO.
Rival has by far the lowest returns for me personally and is the most streaky software of the Three.

I wish all software made their slots about 97% without the controls or built in options to lower the returns but they don't so as I said in another post it is really down to where you consider you get most entertainment for your $

If all these new posters that post about their unlikely profits are genuine then I wish them all the best but who wins large amounts on slots on a regular basis on any software?

win or lose - Keep it real.

 

[silcnlayc]

Amazing how many new members have these unlikely wins.
Yes I am very cynical.
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OMG Rusty! I just posted this very same thing in the other thread....wow...now you are scaring me...quit reading my mind .

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[Pinababy69]

Congrats on your wins, and I wish you continued success, however you have to know that your experiences are the exception. Many, many other players are getting slaughtered by RTG, and that's their experience.

How do you know their experiences are the exception? People tend to bitch when they lose, but they don't necessarily post everytime they win. I sure don't. Nor do I post very many winning screenshots, unless it's a monster. I just looked through the WS thread, and I see a pretty fair balance between MG and RTG screenshots.

And for those getting slaughtered? The solution is simple, stop playing.

We all know that people do win, no one is saying that they don't. Those of us who have been playing for years, and recognize the rapid steady downward trend as compared to when we started are not delusional.

I have been playing for years, around nine I'd guess. I have good months and I have bad months. But in nine years of play, no difference (noticeable difference) in "how" the slots play. Of course, if Rusty's assertion that slots are weighted is indeed true, then that would mean they've probably been weighted since day one.

These complaint threads against certain softwares, tend to go in streaks. About three to four years ago.....there was a huge hoopla about RTG, very similar to the posts I read here day in and day out nowadays. I even started to wonder myself if they'd done something to the payouts, reel strips, etc. That went on for months, then sort of died out. Some of the people posting started winning again, and it was on to MG and claims that their software was rigged/fiddled with. Again, that went on for months....and then it was on to 3Dice. Then it was back to MG about a year ago. And now here we are again with RTG. What happened to all the bitching posts about MG that flooded this forum last year? I mean people were calling for the heads of MG execs on a plate and demanding answers.

I don't know how often the posters who are getting slaughtered play, but if you're playing everyday (or multiple deposits in a day), then your losing sessions are going to FAR outweigh any winning sessions you may have. I play roughly once a week, and I'd say that only one of every four weeks produces a session worthy of a cashout...whether that be Inetbet, 32Red or 3Dice. But I expect that and I'm fine with it.

If all of your history logs read like this for month in and month out then you have a valid argument. For now, though, asking people why they are complaining about RTG seems like a rhetorical question to me. This is the third thread I've seen you post those logs, and ask what's up with RTG complaints. If you are going to go around championing RTG in every complaint thread about them, you will be writing for a very long time, there are many.

Furthermore, its great that you want to give credit to a casino/brand when you are winning, however its not so great to start a thread about how great it is and refute opinions from another thread that state the opposite, IMO. Which Ironically is what I'm doing, and its bad etiquette.

I have to disagree, I'm glad for a change to see someone post that they won. Why is it bad etiquette to "refute" claims of rigging with actual proof? Someone won, and I'd lay a bet that there are many more winners out there, who just don't bother to post. I'm up at Inetbet for July, I'm also up at 3Dice. Sorry to say I lost at 32Red this month, so I'm probably about even overall. But the point is that I could post about it...I just choose not to.

I also have had great wins at RTG casinos TOC but i have also fell off that high horse your riding on now, be prepared for that fall as it will come, saddle sores and all.

RTG is a fine software and im a loyal player to their casinos, so if i want to bitch or anyone else for that matter wants to bitch and moan......whats it to you?............You may find yourself in the same seat later on............laurie

I saw the other thread you started Laurie, about why don't we cashout when ahead. The answer seems pretty simple to me.....lack of self control and a desire to win more. I think someone summed it up when they said greed.

If I deposit $10 at Inetbet or 3Dice, and get up to $100..I cashout. If I deposit $20 and get to $150 or $200...I cashout. If I were to up my bets once ahead, and proceed to lose it all....no one to blame but myself. You certainly can't blame the software when you had the chance to take winnings out of the casino. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the people having these bad runs at RTG (or wherever), did have opportunities to cashout, but continued on playing and lost...which absolutely would lead to frustration.

Anyone is free to bitch and moan all they want, but when does it end? How many times do you guys have to get kicked in the teeth before you say "uncle"? Obviously the ones doing the complaining are still playing there....so I have to ask....why?

People are also free to post about their good experiences, whether that be at RTG, MG, 3Dice or wherever. If you guys don't like it, then do what I do when it comes to the "RTG is rigged" threads....don't read them, or skim them and ignore them.

Honestly, for those who don't enjoy their playtime, and get nothing out of it but frustration and anger......why are you playing?

I wouldn't have even bothered with this thread, and would have ignored it like I ignore all the other ones....except for the fact that everyone is jumping on someone who posted a positive experience. That's their right, just as it's yours to bitch and moan when you lose playing slots.

Final note....I find it amazing how many people jump on the rigged bandwagon, with absolutely no proof but their "feeling" that the slots aren't right. Maybe it's so, I sure wouldn't want to bet my life that these casinos don't cheat...who knows? But that Topgame crap that went on a couple of months ago? There was oodles of PROOF of rigged/cheating software, and nothing but a runaround from the rep....where were all you guys then when the proof was there for all to see? There are still a ton of unanswered questions, and questionable practices. Why isn't everyone grabbing a pitchfork and a torch, and calling for that software company to be strung up and forced to come clean? I'll just never get it.....*heavy sigh*.

 

[classymom]

Well said Pin - I like to play @ all the softwares - I have ceased all Rival play because I cant hit squat (and bonuses have become silly) my MG play is not much better. I have been getting a lot of play time on my deposits @ RTG for months now so I will play where I enjoy the games and can win a little. I'm not saying people are wrong in their views on RTG - I just dont see it. I only play for enjoyment ( about 50.00 a week ) and for the moment RTG is where I will play.

 

[Pinababy69]

I'm not saying people are wrong in their views on RTG - I just dont see it. I only play for enjoyment ( about 50.00 a week )

Agreed Classy....I'm not saying they are wrong either. Just that there are two sides to every story, as your post proves. And your budget is about in line with mine. If I lose it, it's not going to break me. If I get lucky and win....it's a bonus.

 

[slotheadlizard]

Pina

I'm not sure how to display multiple quotes in a post. (can someone please tell me? thanks)

Since the thread is entitled RTG Rocks, I'll just address the issue of RTG. The experience I was referring to that was an exception was winning from comps twice in a row with nice cashouts. How do I know that is an exception, common sense and experience! As far as the slaughter comment, I did not ask for a solution because the previous thread from which this one was derived was about the solution, stop playing at RTG, and remember how it played when all online gambling returns to the US. Also, it was a general assumption based on the posts in that thread, I had not injected any personal experiences.

Now, I know you have been playing for nine years and have not noticed a trend. I respect that, and as you already know from some previous posts, I respect you.( you scare me) However, I can say for me personally that the slots have changed. I don't care what expert or math person comes on here and says its always the same no matter what. It used to play well or average, but lately it has been crap. My observation may not be scientific or logical, but it has been my experience.

I can't argue that sometimes they hit big, I have hit big at a couple. It is truly the exception, Ive lost far more than I have won. I won't bitch too much about this because this is gambling, but if I agree with an opinion, or disagree for that matter I will comment.

Perhaps you misunderstood my bad etiquette statement. It was not related to this thread, but the one upon which TOC jumped all over other posters for saying RTG sucks, in not one but at least two threads, and in the second thread the poster was really talking about 3D. They barely mentioned RTG, yet TOC made it a point to defend them with their stats. I love reading about and seeing winners and screenshots. So I stand firm that if someone wants to bitch about something and post about it, being asked what their problem is, was a little rude to me. They stated what their problem was, and many agreed.

I wanted to address the when will the bitching and moaning stop statement. Probably when there isn't much to bitch and moan about. So never.

It seems that you have included many concerns in your reply. One being the fact that maybe people don't have self control, or are greedy. Those are certainly valid arguments for sure. What about those that feel the playtime is terrible. You don't even get up enough to consider cashing out because there is nothing to cash out?

You seem to think we are bashing someone who simply posted some nice RTG experiences, yet you ignore the fact that the poster has been going to other threads and rudely inserting questions like "Come on, what is your problem"? when others are stating opinion and fact as it applies to them.

As far as the rigged software issue, I have no comment. I read Rusty's observations and find that he has some valid points. I won't pretend to know anything about the mechanics of slots. I also take into consideration the statements of the ex RTG employee that has said some very interesting things.

Now with all this being said and since I have not taken the position that RTG sucks, or that its software is rigged, I'll say this. RTG is my fave. software, I've said so in a few threads. Most of my screenies are RTG. I play there because I like a couple of the casinos namely Casino Titan and Inet. Both of these have been good at times, very good at others,and not so good most. If anyone is doing extremely well on these casinos or any other I think its great, shout it from the highest mountain, but don't tell me I should shut up if I'm shouting from the highest mountain how much at times they suck.

To TOC, once again, congrats on your win. It is not my intention to diminish your great success with RTG in anyway. Also, I just noticed that you just joined in July. Welcome, and Good Luck

 

[LaurieJim]

I think its all about frustration Pina, i was pointing out the fact that no one is going to be a winner all the time and that the O/P might find that luck comes and goes and for some who enjoy RTG casinos and play often, you tend to notice when the slots arnt hitting like they used to, ive been playing too long Pina and i beg to differ that the payouts have changed some what, but i still love RTG and will continue to play................I meant no disrespect to the O/P at all, you should know me better than that...........laurie

 

[johnsteed]

In defense of the "complainers"...

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You see, I guess I find some of those threads selectively useful.




It'll be great when people who should know better, decide to stop it with this "I play for the sake of entertainment, if I win super, if I don't, no biggy" kick (idealistic approach), and fess-up, and admit that if you're not on the other side of the industry, we play with the idea that we can win. That is why we play. The process of winning, and how to get there, is the fun. This isn't sports entertainment (WWE), it's gambling and we're entertained by the thrill of winning (or from the constant fear of losing). It's okay to convince and train yourself that it's not a big deal to lose, for personal control over the long run, but we're in it with the hopes of winning.



I'd have to think that a solid portion of the forum members don't come here, just because they're going to shower casinos with praise. The reality is that there's good and bad. If you elect to sweep all that is bad under the rug, than that is your choice. But berating other members for being sore losers is very snobby if you ask me. To do this "I'm the perfect example of what a prime customer should be, and you're not it" act, makes me want to throw my computer out the window.



I absolutely love reading about forum members experiences, good and bad. That's why I come here. You can't have the sweet without the sour. If no one complains, where's the balance? Conspiracy theories? Love 'em. Do I have to buy into them? My choice. That's the point isn't it? I happen to think that they make the most interesting threads. Any time where the person believes that they should write about something that's important to them, why not? It's cyberspace. And Casinomeister.com isn't exactly the wild west. It's run very well, and I don't see them locking accounts for people expressing their opinions and gaming experiences, even if the topics aren't always pro-Casino or PC.



Let's not forget, these topics will repeat themselves, because there's always a bunch of new members joining each year.



It's surprising to me that people will tell you that all of the casinos numbers are in perfect order (I'm not talking about the operators here), and that those who dare question those numbers, have no proof, are stupid, and wrong. No one knows squat. On either end of the argument. No one here, has access to what goes on inside the RNG for any of the platforms (except the guy who used to work for an RTG casino knew a bit of what was going on... can't remember the name...). I don't know of anyone who's a regular player who gets answers from the top at MG HQ, and is walked-through as to how everything works. The only person who knows everything, is silent. The only thing we have, is our gaming experience. So, please NEVER stop sharing the good or the bad of whatever is going on. This please shut up you're boring me with your complaining position is another attempt to draw a line-in-the-sand and create problems.




Is it wrong, that I suspect that MG flash version will never give me a royal flush? I've been playing for years now, have put lots of money and time, and have yet to see it, yet when I play the download version, the top-heavy hands appear more frequently. That is my experience. That is what I know, because I'm sitting there in front of the monitor, for years, and that's all I can see. The operators will say that everything is in working order - you can count on that - and that it's just a matter of time before something comes. It never has, and I suspect it never will. So, am I wrong to draw any conclusion, based on my own personal game play experience? I find that fascinating that I should just believe in blind luck & faith, and never question anything. Amazing!



Before anyone jumps on me, and says the patented "well if you think everything is rigged, quit playing and get a life" line, I do think you can win, I think that you can use strategies and proper money management (even though I'm told that it doesn't work). I think that most casinos give you "session selected" or "time-framed" opportunities at winning, but hey, I'm just smacked with "conspiracy theories"! If I'm wrong, so be it. But, that's my experience, I've played a lot, over every platform (even... uggghh G-Fed), and over a wide-assortment of casinos. I don't deposit at just one casino, and call it a day. They aren't all the same, but hey, that's my belief because that's my experience. I guess because I don't have enough documented facts to support my experience, I should just flush them all down the toilet.





Steed


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[3cardpoker]

I have been playing for years, around nine I'd guess. I have good months and I have bad months. But in nine years of play, no difference (noticeable difference) in "how" the slots play. Of course, if Rusty's assertion that slots are weighted is indeed true, then that would mean they've probably been weighted since day one.

That's impossible. How can you not notice when each RTG operator sets their on return %? You mean to tell me if RTG-A sets slots payout at 92%, RTG-B sets it at 95%, and RTG-C sets it at 98%. You couldn't tell the difference? Either you have a blind eye. Or you just depositing for entertainment only. I can walk into a B&M casino that offers surrender on BJ and knows there a difference from the one down the street that doesn't. RTG has changed and Its easy for a Canadian with access to other casino software to comment about not playing; RTG if we feel its rigged. Us USA players are limited. And most of us shouldn't have to worry about if a Software Company is running a fair joint or not.

 

[RobWin]

Steed, it's great to see you back in the forum posting some. You have been missed around here...

Have I ever told you guys that I like hotdogs on Tuesday afternoons and sometimes burgers on Thursdays?

Even though the hotdogs always give me heartburn, I still choose to eat them, maybe it's because I am waiting for that one special hotdog eating session that I will find where I don't get the heartburn. That's the reason that I continue to eat them and the fact that I love grilled hotdogs keeps me coming back for more of the same punishment.

What the above statement has to do with this thread and this subject that is being discussed in this thread I'm sure some of you will be able to connect the analogy to. For the one's that can't, then you will most likely never be able to..

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[slotheadlizard]

Hotdogs


OK, what if you continue to eat those hot dogs every Tues, heartburn be damned. You are OK with the pain and misery. Then I suggest some Tums before you eat them. You reply, oh no I don't mind the punishment, I just wish it were a little less severe. I then reply, OK I know they have banned some hot dogs at the Real Tasty Grill, but soon Mustard Grill will be open all over (hopefully), then perhaps you can remember how RTG made you feel every Tues, and give MG a chance.

I then tell you I too, love hot dogs on Tues but have cut them down to about 2, the heartburn isn't as bad, and sometimes nonexistent. This may shock you but I'm not a Dr. so don't take my cure as gospel, its just an opinion. Plus to fully help you I would have to know if you take ketchup!

 

[spearmaster]

Wow... 3 posts in this thread alone nominated for Post of the Fortnight?

Great going guys, keep it coming. And a special Hi to our long-lost friend JohnSteed...

 

[LaurieJim]

OK, what if you continue to eat those hot dogs every Tues, heartburn be damned. You are OK with the pain and misery. Then I suggest some Tums before you eat them. You reply, oh no I don't mind the punishment, I just wish it were a little less severe. I then reply, OK I know they have banned some hot dogs at the Real Tasty Grill, but soon Mustard Grill will be open all over (hopefully), then perhaps you can remember how RTG made you feel every Tues, and give MG a chance.

I then tell you I too, love hot dogs on Tues but have cut them down to about 2, the heartburn isn't as bad, and sometimes nonexistent. This may shock you but I'm not a Dr. so don't take my cure as gospel, its just an opinion. Plus to fully help you I would have to know if you take ketchup!

I be damned if you and Rob havent given me heartburn already over hotdogs im going downstairs and take some Pepto now, thanks you two also good to see you back johnsteed............laurie

 

[gambblex]

I think its not prohibited to take a quick look at OP's public profile

 

[silcnlayc]

First of all, WELCOME BACK Steed!!!! You have been missed!

But that Topgame crap that went on a couple of months ago? There was oodles of PROOF of rigged/cheating software, and nothing but a runaround from the rep....where were all you guys then when the proof was there for all to see? There are still a ton of unanswered questions, and questionable practices. Why isn't everyone grabbing a pitchfork and a torch, and calling for that software company to be strung up and forced to come clean? I'll just never get it.....*heavy sigh*.

The sad part is that with all the "proof" that was there, noone STLL believed it was rigged. So this is why so many have become insensitive to others claiming that the software is changing...even with PROOF, people still do not believe...

That might be why you can't understand why people like me keep beating the drum..I KNOW in my gut changes have been made from all the years I have been playing the software, but unless I worked behind the scenes and got into the system, I cannot PHYSICALLY prove it has been done.

It is like playing the same machine for 15 years and getting bonus rounds WITHOUT QUESTION in 50-100 spins without fail...for ALL those years and all of a sudden....it now takes 300-500 spins to hit a bonus...no matter how much I played recently..once is ok for those odds, twice is a hmm...but all of a sudden, 100's of deposits relating to hundreds of spins without bonus rounds.. ...it has NOW become questionable...because of previous YEARS of playing patterns...

I guess maybe that players still WANT to believe all these casinos are on the up and up and don't want their bubble of fantasy burst that they would cheat a player...but some of them are...

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[bb28]

The sad part is that with all the "proof" that was there, noone STLL believed it was rigged. So this is why so many have become insensitive to others claiming that the software is changing...even with PROOF, people still do not believe...

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I'm not trying to be a smartass and I'm asking this as a legitimate question, What is the proof you are referring to?

 

[Rusty]

I'm not trying to be a smartass and I'm asking this as a legitimate question, What is the proof you are referring to?

He is referring to the Topgame missing symbols and un-winnable Jackpot scandal.

Just on the money management thing.
The reason I don't often cashout is because the amounts I win are simply not worth cashing out even if I win X3 my deposit that will often amount to $60 - what's the point of paying fees when I am only going to redeposit?

Greed has little or nothing to do with it for me personally, I am just being pragmatic by not hitting the cashout button on the rare occasions I win.
I am just playing for extended playtime (fun in itself which is how I can enjoy low rolling) with the faint hope of getting very lucky and hitting big.

The problem is that you never know what the return of the slot you are playing is from 1 deposit to the next. Sometimes, just occasionally, they seem very high and you can have very unlikely winning streaks - I mean hitting 5 of a kinds that are Tens of Thousands to One against and regular free spin rounds with plentiful retriggers that also pay well. That is the hook.

When that streak is over though my experience is to have a similar or even more unlikely streak in reverse, never seeing Wild or scatter symbols for Tens or even over a hundred spins - never hitting 4 of a kind let alone 5 of a kind - getting no retriggers and between X10 and X30 bet on every free spin you do trigger after waiting for hundreds of spins.
That is the frustration.

The software (slots) is designed to be a roller coaster, to be more exciting than natural variance will allow IMO.
All software works this way not just RTG which is ok (though I would prefer to see none weighted software) if the Casinos don't get greedy and set or keep the returns low or if the software does not automatically attempt to balance payouts by giving lower returns after decent wins.
Those are Two very big IFs though.

All that said I think RTG and MG are still the best Two software available to play and unless someone breaks the mould then these issues will be a constant on these boards as JohnSteed points out.
So they should be.

PS
Pinababy has a very valid point about members only concerning themselves with issues that directly affect them.
Sure we are all likely to be more involved in those but if we are concerned about fair gaming we need to at least show support for the work that people put in to these other threads.

 

[silcnlayc]

I'm not trying to be a smartass and I'm asking this as a legitimate question, What is the proof you are referring to?

Not a problem at all...I was replying to Pina's post how so many ignored the "proof" from another until a few got on board and forced the issue and FOUND proof..and how it takes this to make others see that there are changes being made even if others refuse to believe it even when "proof" is given..see her post I was replying to..It is the same as when you KNOW changes are made but have no proof..so either way you get ignored until someone decides to dig the "PROOF" out when others have no way to get at it..(wondering if I am making sense).

So the reason no one was screaming for the heads of this software producer is because so many have become insensitive/immune/ and disbelieving that it could actually be true and happen. We, as players, such as myself, have no concrete poof but KNOW inside that things have changed and not to the good of the player and those that do have proof are still not believed is what I was trying to get at...so what is the difference? Even if I could come up with it, I still wouldn't be believed by the multitude of players as this person wasn't either EVEN WITH PROOF until it was forced down the players throat to where they couldn't ignore it any longer... .

There was oodles of PROOF of rigged/cheating software, and nothing but a runaround from the rep....where were all you guys then when the proof was there for all to see? There are still a ton of unanswered questions, and questionable practices. Why isn't everyone grabbing a pitchfork and a torch, and calling for that software company to be strung up and forced to come clean? I'll just never get it.....*heavy sigh

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[cynthial]

I think its not prohibited to take a quick look at OP's public profile

Thanks Gammblex.



So the OP is the webmaster of www tunicaonlinecasino.com ? I went and had a look and it is certainly RTG software. Maybe puts a new slant on things, yes?

 

[bb28]

I mistakenly thought silcnlayc was referring to RTG software. If I had bothered to read the post completely, I would have understood that you were referring to the Topgame software and yep I do know about that. Sorry everyone.....short circuit in my brain or something.

I'm all for fairness and accountability but sadly there really isn't any way to really be sure in online gambling. There are so many avenues that different aspects of it all could be manipulated, that it really is quite scary. With that said, if your gut or intuition or whatever you want to call it is telling you that the software or that particular casino is cheating you, then by all means it's time to move on and never look back. Sure, you've got a right to bring it up and it should be discussed but to keep playing at the place that you think it ripping you off and then coming back and bitching and moaning about it again and again, well what purpose does that serve? Constructive criticism is a wonderful thing but yet it doesn't do anyone any good when someone's luck/win or good fortune is dampened by negativity.

 

[slotheadlizard]

BB28

Sure, you've got a right to bring it up and it should be discussed but to keep playing at the place that you think it ripping you off and then coming back and bitching and moaning about it again and again, well what purpose does that serve? Constructive criticism is a wonderful thing but yet it doesn't do anyone any good when someones luck/win or good fortune is dampened by negativity.
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On this I agree. It is the reason I have kept only a couple of RTG's. The rest that I felt were not paying got deleted. I too agree with the negativity statement. I prefer to praise the ones I like, and delete the ones I don't.
In this case I don't think it was a simple matter of dampening someones good fortune. It was a reply to someone negating a post with rude comments, and posting "zzzzzs" in a thread as to say this is boring me, shut up and praise my win. Their win was congratulated and welcome, the gestures were not.

It was also my understanding that the Silc post was about realising which casinos still played fair (whatever your experience with fair is) and which ones didn't. I did not think it was a specific bitch and moan post about the ones continuing to suck you dry. It read more as a warning to the operators, and a heads up to players about future law change possibilities to me.

 

[oldtrvlagt]

Thanks Gammblex.



So the OP is the webmaster of www tunicaonlinecasino.com ? I went and had a look and it is certainly RTG software. Maybe puts a new slant on things, yes?

I just looked at it too...maybe our new little friend has a vested interest?

 

[slotheadlizard]

Webmaster

Thanks Gammblex.



So the OP is the webmaster of www tunicaonlinecasino.com ? I went and had a look and it is certainly RTG software. Maybe puts a new slant on things, yes?

Don't mean to ask a dumb question, but what exactly is a webmaster of a casino?

 

[vegetagirl2008]

I think that they meant he affiliates for them. That is my guess..

 

[silcnlayc]

slotheadlizard: It was also my understanding that the Silc post was about realising which casinos still played fair (whatever your experience with fair is) and which ones didn't. I did not think it was a specific bitch and moan post about the ones continuing to suck you dry. It read more as a warning to the operators, and a heads up to players about future law change possibilities to me.

Yes, your take was the one I was trying to get across and I thank you for reading it the way I meant for it to come across..anyone else that has mistakenly read it to reflect something different, I apologize for being somewhat unclear in my writing...there are times, I cannot for the life of me come up with the words for meanings I want to get across, so all is still good on my end.. No harm, no foul.

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[TOC]

Come on be fair...

I've not once posted my url on this site or any other message boards. You looked up my profile and posted the information. I'm not promoting any site here and do request that a board monitor remove the URL. I was simply being fair and balanced and showing that you can win on RTG software. No hidden agenda.

Looks like I need to change the profile.

 

[TOC]

Profile help

Can this page be changed after joining the site? I can't find edit.

(Never mind I found it)

 

[LaurieJim]

I noticed your from Tennessee, a stones throw from the souths gambling mecca, does the Tunica, Mississippi Gaming Commision know that your using what i would assume is a trade marketed name(Tunica) in your url or would they care ? Im prolly wrong on this, but the same just currious, and again i do congrat!!! you on your wins............laurie

 

[TOC]

Well..

I'm pretty sure the name Tunica isn't trademarked but thanks for your concern.

Tunica United Methodist Church
1013 School St
Tunica, MS 38676 Map

Tunica Pharmacy
1181 Main St
Tunica, MS 38676 Map

Tunica Times
986 Magnolia St
Tunica, MS 38676 Map

Tunica Cleaners
1310 Edwards Ave
Tunica, MS 38676 Map

Tunica Florists Llc
1229 Main St
Tunica, MS 38676 Map

Thanks for the congrats...

 

[silcnlayc]

I was simply being fair and balanced and showing that you can win on RTG software

We know you can win...at any casino...

Congrats...

 

[LaurieJim]

Tunica is a town in Tunica County, Mississippi, United States, located near the Mississippi River. Historically part of an agricultural area, the town lies on the fringe of a growing gambling resort area, with major casinos attracting visitors from nearby Memphis, Tennessee and all over the Southeast.

Hollywood Casino Tunica

Ballys Tunica, Official Ballys casino, hotel, and entertainment ...

Tunicasinos.com - Tunica Mississippi Casinos and Hotels

This is just what i pulled up to get to your site, thats why i asked..............no biggie

 

[TOC]

silcnlayc

silcnlayc
Why are you so bitter? I don't recall doing anything to you.. Calm down, drink a beer or 6!

 

[Rusty]

silcnlayc
Why are you so bitter? I don't recall doing anything to you.. Calm down, drink a beer or 6!

I'm still curious.
What games did you win on and which Casino was it please?
Do you play many RTG's and are your winning overall?

 

[big_mac]

It's easy to say that a game doesn't 'feel' right, but the problem is that there is no way anyone can actually be sure, without playing millions of games, that it isn't just perfectly normal bad luck.

A casino could double the house edge on Jacks or Better simply be discarding 1/5th of the Royal flushes. As you only get a Royal every 40,000 games or so, this would be one 'fake' hand out of every 200,000; It would obviously take millions of hands to see anything significant in the statistics (although that is what audits are for).

Due to the jackpot payouts etc., it would take much longer to see something significant on slots.
If the casinos cheated on a large scale then it would be much easier to spot.

This definitely doesn't mean that there is no cheating, just that it would be near impossible to know for sure without an audit - unless the casinos did something really stupid (which we have seen several times!).

I am personally not entirely convinced that everything is level and above board, but it would take actually looking at the software to convince me either way.

I find it really interesting that so many people are complaining at the same time, but it's hard to draw any real meaning from that. If casinos did want to cheat then it could easily be done so that the players would never be able to tell. If this is evidence that they are cheating, then it must be happening on quite a large scale.

 

[chuchu59]

Some meaning can be drawn from the complaints. First, with a string of losses coupled with limited playtime, players can vent out of frustration and they could feel much better after doing that. Second, with such a large number of moans and groans, there is bound to be negative publicity on the slot payouts and this is not something the operators want to see. If they are in for the long haul perhaps they might loosen their slots (say from 94% to 97%) so that they can survive the onslaught.

The software providers are smart enough to know that there will not be solid proof against them altering the payouts although I am not suggesting that they are actually doing this. However, there are many well respected members who are veterans with RTG slots that are making these complaints. I am pretty sure that most of us have been losing overall but these have been rather painless with a mix of wins and losses although the latter occurs with more frequency. However, they see a change where the mix is tilted heavily in favour of the losses. We could blame 'bad luck' but with reports of 60%-70% RTP occurring repeatedly it is just normal that some of us would take a cynical view of what is happening. We cannot say for certain that the casinos or rather the software is cheating but maybe it's time to sit up and take notice. Just my 2c.

 

[jetset]

Thanks Gammblex.



So the OP is the webmaster of www tunicaonlinecasino.com ? I went and had a look and it is certainly RTG software. Maybe puts a new slant on things, yes?

That, and the fact that the profile has since been edited, suggests to me, too that there may be a degree of bias in TOC's responses.

But what an interesting thread! The preparedness of almost every poster to consider opinions other than their own with courtesy and tolerance shows why Casinomeister.com is such a valuable location for discussion and debate.

And seeing John Steed back in great form is a true pleasure - nice to see you around again, JS - hope we see more of your posts!

Finally, the multiple nominations for best post perhaps illustrates the value members find in taking a fresh look at previous but always interesting and useful issues and perspectives.

 

[TOC]

jetset

I edited my profile because everyone was posting the url within this thread. Not that I mind or have anything to hide, I just don't spam message boards so let's make this clear. So that everyone understands the reason I started this thread was because of all the gloom and doom relating to RTG being posted. I agree everyone has a right to gripe and post concerns and me as a player myself too thought I could show some good wins. I was never promoting my website for clicks and didn't even think about my profile being broadcast over the net. The number I showed was my personal play and thought maybe some other winners would come forward. It appears that most of you are slot players, I play very little slots and mostly blackjack for the ones that asked. I mix it up low bets up to the max.

No agenda here folks, was posting as a player. My mistake was the profile, sorry because I don't spam. Actually I purchase ad space and have from a few members on this site. Best of luck to everyone, hope it turns around for ya!

 

[Nifty29]

Great thread.

I play very little slots and mostly blackjack for the ones that asked.

The main issue raised at CM about RTG software is the slots payout - and you indicate here that the wins you had were NOT from slot play, so it doesnt really alleviate any concerns for slot players at all. Almost every "I cant win at RTG" thread is about people not being able to win at RTG SLOTS.

Sure, you can win at BJ, but it has a much higher % return and is based on 100% random cards being dealt (unless they are NOT random in which case it is plain cheating, and I dont see a BJ player like yourself playing anywhere knowing it was rigged). Slots are a different animal and, as has been stated, can be adjusted to produce different payouts at the whim of the operator.

Slot players should take TOC's posted results with a grain of salt, and I think it would have been more forthcoming of the OP to say that he wasnt playing slots.

 

[deucebag]

Unlike table games and video poker players, RTG slots players are playing a game with an unknown and unverifiable payout. We know that the payout can be adjusted at the whim of the operator (casino). The casinos are asking for a lot of trust from players with this gaming offer, but they provide ZERO evidence to the players as to what the game they are playing is actually paying out over time.

There is only way to solve this problem of trust:

1) publish the payback percentage on the paytable (like Rival and Wagerworks do)

and

2) give the players a possibility of having that payback% verified, either by having it audited by a third party, or by providing the reel layouts so that the payouts can be verified by anyone with enough mathematical knowledge. We have seen the latter done on Microgaming slots (obviously it would not work if the reels are weighted).

 

[Pinababy69]

I had a nice long post typed out...but why bother? Just more of the same. We could round and round on the merry go round for days.

To use Rob's analogy, if you want to eat dozens of hot dogs, even knowing full well that they will make you sick (heartburn), then stuff yourself til you can't eat anymore. But if you complain about the heartburn afterwards, then I'm sorry...you don't have the common sense you were born with. How many times would you continue to stick your hand in a fire even though you know you're going to get burned? How many times would you bang your head against a brick wall, even though you know it's going to give you a headache and make your head bleed?

I guess people continue to play at a software they profess to get killed at, for the same reason that players continue to play at Virtual, even with mountains of evidence showing them to be crooks.

So, bitch and moan away about something you can do absolutely zero about (until someone, somehow gets some concrete proof of cheating)...and just continue to ignore real issues that you could do something about, if you were so inclined. Well, you could do something about the casinos you "think" may be cheating, or fiddling with their payouts.....you could stop playing there. Oh, that's right, you like hotdogs....errrr, ummmm.....those casinos.

I'll just sit back and continue to jump in and shower "praise" all over the casinos. God knows I never highlight any of the bad things they do.

 

[silcnlayc]

silcnlayc
Why are you so bitter? I don't recall doing anything to you.. Calm down, drink a beer or 6

Um, I congratulated you and that makes me bitter?? Geez...I wonder where your mindset is when you can't take an honest WTG on your win, that we find out really isn't on the topic we were talking about in the first place.

Well, you could do something about the casinos you "think" may be cheating, or fiddling with their payouts.....you could stop playing there. Oh, that's right, you like hotdogs....errrr, ummmm.....those casinos.

Now that is an interesting concept...quit playing at the ones that give you heartburn..I wonder why I did not think of it..oh, I forgot...I did quit..and actually had a post saying how happy I have become by doing just what you said to do..and geez..it was done in slow increments with the last group closed last week...I wonder why I didn't think of that! Sheesh!

Musta been those gourmet hotdogs I ran into that made me forget about the hearburns I USED to get..

You might want to try it..it is a stress reliever..tossing out the heartburn and going for the calming, sweet cream ...

.

 

[jetset]

Great thread.



The main issue raised at CM about RTG software is the slots payout - and you indicate here that the wins you had were NOT from slot play, so it doesnt really alleviate any concerns for slot players at all. Almost every "I cant win at RTG" thread is about people not being able to win at RTG SLOTS.

Sure, you can win at BJ, but it has a much higher % return and is based on 100% random cards being dealt (unless they are NOT random in which case it is plain cheating, and I dont see a BJ player like yourself playing anywhere knowing it was rigged). Slots are a different animal and, as has been stated, can be adjusted to produce different payouts at the whim of the operator.

Slot players should take TOC's posted results with a grain of salt, and I think it would have been more forthcoming of the OP to say that he wasnt playing slots.

Good points imo.

 

[slotheadlizard]

RTG

Um, I congratulated you and that makes me bitter?? Geez...I wonder where your mindset is when you can't take an honest WTG on your win, that we find out really isn't on the topic we were talking about in the first place.

Now that is an interesting concept...quit playing at the ones that give you heartburn..I wonder why I did not think of it..oh, I forgot...I did quit..and actually had a post saying how happy I have become by doing just what you said to do..and geez..it was done in slow increments with the last group closed last week...I wonder why I didn't think of that! Sheesh!

Musta been those gourmet hotdogs I ran into that made me forget about the hearburns I USED to get..

You might want to try it..it is a stress reliever..tossing out the heartburn and going for the calming, sweet cream ...

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For some reason after Pina dissected my reply to the OP, the thread seems to have evolved into many things. A lot of it has nothing to do with my reply, but its all relevant.

At first glance it looks as if I was attacking someone who had posted a win on RTG. That was certainly not my intention. My point was this, TOC had primarily been on two other threads refuting opinions and stating his own as facts, and quite rudely I may add. One, they posted their RTG wins on a thread about 3Dice. The thread was not in fact about losing, but simply inquiring as to whether or not anyone was winning at 3Dice. The OP never said they would continue playing at a casino that they were losing at, quite the opposite. They were off to EBay where their money was better utilized.

RTG was mentioned along with other brands as a place where that particular poster was not lucky. Then TOC places their stats on there with a "Sorry". OK, fine. Then Silc makes a thread that talks about which casinos are playing fair, and to remember that when the laws are changed. It was a topic about how it is not too late to change how the slots are playing before the new laws change. Once again TOC appears with a series of zzzzs, and ask what our problem is for complaining!

Not once did Silc suggest you keep laying at these casinos. I had been following some of Silcs post, and have always gathered that after losing on the slots they have deleted all but a couple in fun mode. A suggestion in which I followed, expect the two I liked.

It is important to mention that I was not complaining about RTG, I have not said or thought really that the slots were rigged. I have even debated to the contrary. I may have commented on threads with a similar experience, or chimed in on a bitch and moan session, but have long since learned that this is gambling. If I am not happy with a casino, I delete it. I may reinstall at a later date, but not complain about a casino I continue to patronize.

I have done pretty well at a couple of casinos and said as much, even posting their screenies. If I played money back , that's my fault, and I own that. I guess its just a little upsetting that my post was made out to be a RTG flogging, and rigged conspiracy rebuttal. When I had never said either. I just wanted to let the OP know I'm happy for the win on RTG, but that they don't have to post their stats on threads that they don't agree with, in a nice way.

Now I guess the whole thing is sort of null in my opinion. I did not weigh this conclusion on the URL thing- I just recently found out what a webmaster was. It had nothing to do with their win as far as I'm concerned. What does concern me is the fact that they won on BJ, when I was under the impression that they were injecting his slot play wins into the discussions about losses on SLOTS.
A win is a win, but I thought this was all about slots!

 

[johnsteed]

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So, bitch and moan away about something you can do absolutely zero about (until someone, somehow gets some concrete proof of cheating)...and just continue to ignore real issues that you could do something about, if you were so inclined. Well, you could do something about the casinos you "think" may be cheating, or fiddling with their payouts.....you could stop playing there. Oh, that's right, you like hotdogs....errrr, ummmm.....those casinos.

And I almost forgot...

For some reason after Pina dissected my reply to the OP, the thread seems to have evolved into many things. A lot of it has nothing to do with my reply, but its all relevant.

I have two of my favorite excerpts from baseball's BEST writer (with... I suppose Michael Lewis), Bill James.


About Don Baylor:


That which defines Don Baylor, I think, is the image of strength. He projects an image of great strength, great determination and force of will; as Fred White used to say, "He just looks like an RBI standing up there." But personally, I find him almost intolerable, because, to me, he seems to be engaged in a perpetual charade designed to project the image of great strength. As a manager, he seems to be using this image of great strength, great conviction in the rectitude of his actions, as a substitute for having any reason for what he is doing. I'm not suggesting that you should react to him that way; that's just me.


- The New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract by Bill James



About Dick Allen:


On a sports team, the best and most talented players are the leaders, for good or bad, because they're the people who everybody else pays attention to. Allen had so much talent that he was always the focus of attention, and in addition to that he was a manipulator of extraordinary skill. He could, and can, charm a rabbit out of its whiskers. And having convinced his teammates A, B, and C that he was a great guy who had just been misunderstood, he would immediately begin to convince them that teammate D was a racist, teammate E didn't want to win, the press was out to get them all and the manager was an idiot for playing teammate X, rather that teammate C. Every team that he played for eventually degenerated into warring camps of pro-Dick Allen and anti-Dick Allen factions.


In 1976, when the Phillies won the division with Allen at the end of his career, Allen ripped management and threatened not to play in the playoffs because the Phillies wouldn't make a spot on the World Series roster for one of his teammates. The Phillies held two separate victory celebrations, the pro-Allen faction locking themselves in the trainer's room to hold their own party.


"Had Dick Allen played fifty years ago," Bob Carroll, making Dick Allen's case for the HOF, "he might be lauded today as a shining example of American independence. Instead, his moodiness, self-absorption, and free-and-easy approach to baseball make him anathema to many." Well, pardon me, but was there an era in baseball history where moodiness, self-absorption and a casual approach to the game were considered desirable qualities in a ballplayer? Was there a time in baseball history when a player could not show up at the ballpark once in a while without anybody making an issue out of it?


- Whatever Happened to the Hall of Fame? by Bill James



Steed


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