RTG still rocks!

[Nifty29]

I will respond in Red

Again, I played both Slots and Blackjack on those wins. Example: Blackjack for awhile, won some money and then slots for awhile and won some money. Simple. Not if you won $100 on slots and $2400 on Bj it isnt. How about something like 'it was mostly BJ' which I suspect it was.(notice I said suspect as you wont indicate one way or the other)

I would like to reply to a couple of your comments.

1. Geez TOC - you should run for Congress
(I'm beginning to think so too if they don't quit all the spending.)

2. You are being incredibly vague, and it seems somewhat deliberate.
(I started posting here as a player, the hound dogs are the ones that spammed my url not me. I have no agenda here.) Nobody said you were spamming your url. Its just that when another member points out your direct affiliation/involvement with an RTG operation, it throws a different light on your comments as a 'player' i.e I doubt I will see any posts from you saying how much you lost at an RTG casino

3. It seems RTG operators can alter the symbols whenever they want and THAT is totally dishonest.
( Personally I don't know if stuff can be rigged, I hope not but if it can then it goes on at every casino. I would never accuse any casino of this unless it could be proved and it hasn't. Making accusations and hurting reputations isn't cool. I've seen legal action taken against posters and boards for these type accusations. So I would never do it myself.) Several people including an active casino rep and some ex-reps have stated that an RTG casino CAN set their slots higher or lower at any time within a given range (I believe 92% was stated as the lowest). Its about as much 'proof' as you'll ever get in regards to how a particular software operates without someone sending you the code or the operator interface. I wasnt accusing any CASINO of anything illegal....the discussion has been about payouts and rigging and it all depends on what your definition of 'rigging' is. In an unregulated industry such as this, there is nothing 'illegal' about altering slots its just unethical IMO.

4. so its tough to point the finger and back it up with evidence.
(If ya can't back it up then it's probably not happening. Do you honestly think one person runs the casino and a secret win/loose button?) So if someone knows that their friend murdered someone, but they cant PROVE it, then it didnt happen? How many people have got away with crimes simply because there wasnt enough evidence?? It doesnt mean it didnt happen. As for a 'secret win/LOSE button' - well maybe a secret 'win less/lose less button' is more apt.

5. Can anyone honestly say they could sit down and play some slots at 96% one day and 92% the next day and see a noticeable difference? I know I couldnt. (I rest my case, you can't and once again how can you say their rigged?) Refer to previous answers

6. Every time we deposit we have to TRUST that the casino is giving us a 'fair' game, and we have to base that trust on the information we glean from places like CM and our own experiences. (I agree and my site is powered by one on CM's list. Do you think I would be affiliated with anything CM had rouge? Come on the guys been around online gaming since dirt.) I dont care who it is - if the odds are being changed all the time then its NOT a fair game.

7. Personally, I think it stinks that RTG operators are allowed to alter the payout of the slots at their leisure (You stated at the middle of this letter you had NO PROOF. Do you or don't you? Do you think the USA landed on the moon?) Refer to 3 and 4. The moon landing happened before I was born and I wasnt personally there, but based on what Ive read and heard I believe they did....but I dont know for SURE. Like I said...we form opinions based on what we read and hear and experience.

8. Anyway, I just think that TOC should have been a bit clearer about the figures he posted, as he seems to continually avoid answering a simple but relevant question. (For the, how many times now? I play both during the sessions. I jump around, I get board doing one thing!) Many of us get BORED doing one thing, but in this case its relevant to the issue at hand. If you just said at the beginning 'about $xxx was slot wins etc etc' we wouldnt be having this discussion.

9. If TOC was just an average player with no ties to an RTG operation, I wouldn't give it a second thought but it seems he does have a vested interest in making everyone believe they can 'win' at an RTG casino (Look how many time do I have to say I never posted my site url on CM's board. Hound dog went into my personal profile and sniffed it out. Was it you, since you refer to dog balls? Actually in the original post I never said look what I won at xxxurl, I simply posted what I won. Whats the beef here anyway, I see webmasters linking their sites in every post? I didn't do that so give me a break on that issue at least!) Are you asking if I have 2 profiles? No, and Im insulted that you inferred that I do. Im not sure what the arrangements are for linking as I dont do it, but Im certain someone here will shed some light. Nobody is accusing you of promoting your site, but you have to admit it raises eyebrows when someone comes out and says 'look you CAN win at RTG' and doesnt mention they have a close relationship with them.

Maybe Im being too persistent here, but its my pet hate when people wont answer a simple VERY RELEVANT question about something THEY posted publicly. One's own depositing/playing is one's own business, but it was you that provided that information freely and you should at least be upfront about how it happened. It raises even more red flags when someone posts these kinds of things and then becomes very vague about the detail...and that, as we know, is where the devil resides.

[cynthial]

I don't know if the Hound Dog references are for Gammblex, me personally or any of the other members who visited your public profile but either way, PFFFFTTTTTTT.

[TOC]

Wow, pit bulls of the message board world. How much clearer do I need to make my last post be or do you always look for trouble? I didn't know I needed to log how may plays of BJ vrs. how many spins before posting a couple good hits. My F.M.. Nifty I personally think you should educate yourself on Affiliate websites, which most of the knowledgeable posters operate on this board. Operators aren't connected directly with casinos, although they do benefit from promoting them. I didn't promote my url as you have said, so no fault of mine. I do play personally at my site so why can't I show a good hit? I mean all the gloom and doom being posted I do have the right, don't I? Is this your board or am I at CasinoMeister.com?? You act like a monitor telling me I'm doing wrong.. It's people like you that make people who want to join and respond not do so because of personal attacks and theories. You might think your cute and yes and few of your regular buds might give you the Thank You click to make you fell big but I can assure you anyone with any common since knows that I've tried to explain my position and let dead dogs lay. Speaking of dogs you never posted in red about why you were talking about dog balls? I didn't get that one, sorry!

Cynthia, stay out of it or speak English. That PFTTT or whatever your doing is stupid.

[jas2587]

Wow, pit bulls of the message board world. How much clearer do I need to make my last post be or do you always look for trouble? I didn't know I needed to log how may plays of BJ vrs. how many spins before posting a couple good hits. My F.M.. Nifty I personally think you should educate yourself on Affiliate websites, which most of the knowledgeable posters operate on this board. Operators aren't connected directly with casinos, although they do benefit from promoting them. I didn't promote my url as you have said, so no fault of mine. I do play personally at my site so why can't I show a good hit? I mean all the gloom and doom being posted I do have the right, don't I? Is this your board or am I at CasinoMeister.com?? You act like a monitor telling me I'm doing wrong.. It's people like you that make people who want to join and respond not do so because of personal attacks and theories. You might think your cute and yes and few of your regular buds might give you the Thank You click to make you fell big but I can assure you anyone with any common since knows that I've tried to explain my position and let dead dogs lay. Speaking of dogs you never posted in red about why you were talking about dog balls? I didn't get that one, sorry!

Cynthia, stay out of it or speak English. That PFTTT or whatever your doing is stupid.

You say you won at "Your" site where are the screen shots at? I am sure that you can snag a few as it is "Your" site
No 1 is personally attacking you there are quite a few that would like toknow what you played after all we Just have "Your" word that you won your depsoits an withdrawels that you posted could be any 1s from "Your" site

Cynthia spoke English just fine she is a lady an didnt wanna sat F off an she is not stupid you are low blowing now Nifty an Cynthia are very respected members of this forum how dare you come here an talk down like that shame on you

you sure know an awful lot about Playersonly casino tooo ot that "Your" site also

Cindy

[TOC]

You say you won at "Your" site where are the screen shots at? I am sure that you can snag a few as it is "Your" site
No 1 is personally attacking you there are quite a few that would like to know what you played after all we Just have "Your" word that you won your depsoits an withdrawels that you posted could be any 1s from "Your" site

Cynthia spoke English just fine she is a lady an didnt wanna sat F off an she is not stupid you are low blowing now Nifty an Cynthia are very respected members of this forum how dare you come here an talk down like that shame on you

you sure know an awful lot about Playersonly casino tooo ot that "Your" site also

Cindy

Where is my screen shot at? What is wrong with you? I'll take a screen shot if I win several thousand dollars, maybe. Am I in another world here?
And you say that Cynthia is a lady and posted that because she was saying F-off in a nice way? Where am I at? Looser Land, geesh. If she's a respected member of this forum then she shouldn't be telling anyone to F-off, just my opinion. I haven't told anyone to F-off. Now your saying I can't reply to any posts at CM's site? Yes I did reply to the playersonly question, just trying to help but after thinking about the post later I noticed that a Germany player can't play there, only US & Canada. Why don't ya go work on him and leave me alone. Dang, can't even post help without being stalked now. I gotta go because I have a life, I'm tired of trying to make uneducated minds listen. It appears I can't post here but I do want the educated people to understand I joined as a player and never responded agressivly until attacked by your loyal members! Time for a beer!

[jas2587]

Where is my screen shot at? What is wrong with you? I'll take a screen shot if I win several thousand dollars, maybe. Am I in another world here?
And you say that Cynthia is a lady and posted that because she was saying F-off in a nice way? Where am I at? Looser Land, geesh. If she's a respected member of this forum then she shouldn't be telling anyone to F-off, just my opinion. I haven't told anyone to F-off. Now your saying I can't reply to any posts at CM's site? Yes I did reply to the playersonly question, just trying to help but after thinking about the post later I noticed that a Germany player can't play there, only US & Canada. Why don't ya go work on him and leave me alone. Dang, can't even post help without being stalked now. I gotta go because I have a life, I'm tired of trying to make uneducated minds listen. It appears I can't post here but I do want the educated people to understand I joined as a player and never responded agressivly until attacked by your loyal members! Time for a beer!

The F off was my interpitation of the pfffttt not hers just my opinion
an it is LOSER not LOOSER "uneducated minds"
you have a way of trying to put words into our post that are not there
where do I say this at
" Now your saying I can't reply to any posts at CM's site? "
Stalked please not in your life
Enjoy your beer cough

Cindy

[TOC]

The F off was my interpitation of the pfffttt not hers just my opinion
an it is LOSER not LOOSER "uneducated minds"
you have a way of trying to put words into our post that are not there
where do I say this at
" Now your saying I can't reply to any posts at CM's site? "
Stalked please not in your life
Enjoy your beer cough

Cindy

One misspelled word out of all I've posted, nice try. BTW - Let's see should be "and" where you say "an" and not "your" it's "you're." See what I mean about this board!

[chuchu59]

I agree with you TOC.

Wow, pit bulls of the message board world. How much clearer do I need to make my last post be or do you always look for trouble? I didn't know I needed to log how may plays of BJ vrs. how many spins before posting a couple good hits. My F.M.. Nifty I personally think you should educate yourself on Affiliate websites, which most of the knowledgeable posters operate on this board. Operators aren't connected directly with casinos, although they do benefit from promoting them. I didn't promote my url as you have said, so no fault of mine. I do play personally at my site so why can't I show a good hit? I mean all the gloom and doom being posted I do have the right, don't I? Is this your board or am I at CasinoMeister.com?? You act like a monitor telling me I'm doing wrong.. It's people like you that make people who want to join and respond not do so because of personal attacks and theories. You might think your cute and yes and few of your regular buds might give you the Thank You click to make you fell big but I can assure you anyone with any common since knows that I've tried to explain my position and let dead dogs lay. Speaking of dogs you never posted in red about why you were talking about dog balls? I didn't get that one, sorry!

Cynthia, stay out of it or speak English. That PFTTT or whatever your doing is stupid.

I agree with you TOC. I hate Nifty because it was him who won a progressive and not me. As for Cyn, she was bonus-unbanned by a Rival though she is now banned again. Yippee! Does that make you happy?

Actually both these 2 posters are among the finest in CM. They are just asking simple questions so why dont you reply directly instead of attacking them. You dont like PFTTT but how do you make of your ZZZZZ to Silc. You cannot have it both ways my friend. If you dont want us to ask you anything more just say it. However, if you do post something that we uneducated minds have queries about, it's only natural for us to enquire on them.

It seems that many of us and your goodself dont see eye-to-eye on a number of issues and hopefully this thread will melt away soon bar the nominations for Best Posting awards.

[KasinoKing]

Back on the original topic; I don't generally play a lot at RTGs, but I did sign-up to BuzzLuck last month.
Took the 100% on a €150 deposit.

First I was ROCKED when I hit a huge win on Jackpot Piñatas - €1,028 from a €4 spin.
(In winner screenshots - July 28th)
When I left that slot I had €1,047 and was not quite half way through WR...
This is what happened from there to WR point:-

BuzzLog.JPG

So those last 5 games I played approaching WR are what really ROCKED me again.
In the games I played BEFORE Jackpot Piñatas my total return was 94%.
Manipulated or just plain unlucky... you decide!

KK

[Nifty29]

I hate Nifty because it was him who won a progressive and not me

If you ever come down under Chu Ill gladly share some of the loot with dinner and drinks my friend

TOC - Thankyou for the info about affiliate sites. It certainly explains why Ive been getting strange Neteller payments and cheques for the past 4 years.

I believe the difference between the site you mentioned in your profile and the links that webmasters include in their sigs here is that yours is not an affiliate portal but rather an actual casino (whether its white label/skin or whatever). I havent inspected every members sigs but I dont remember seeing anyone having direct links to casinos (apart from reps)

"Standing out like dogs balls" means it stands out rather obviously.

Nobody expected you to post your logs. You showed some deposit/withdrawal figures to show how much you won at an RTG casino (your own as it turns out) and we asked what games you won on, as the whole discussion is about SLOTS and how members feel they arent getting a fair game. You then stated that you 'play a little slots but mainly BJ' and then I asked if the main proportion of the winnings was from BJ (makes sense given what you stated above).

You then avoided the question again by being rude to other members and myself. I think you're just getting annoyed because you know what the answer is and you dont want to say it - so just say that you dont want to say and everyone can draw their own conclusion.

I go out of my way not to be rude to people, even though sometimes they deserve it. My issue is that I hate dishonesty and shilling but I cant prove it....so, in your words, it must not have happened.

On the face of it, posting YOUR winnings at YOUR casino (with a noticeable gap of 12 days between your comps cashin and your withdrawal I may add) with no real indication of how much slot winnings were involved does nothing to address the reasons why members are posting about RTG - that they cant win on SLOTS.