Moans and groans

**slotheadlizard** · 2nd June 2009, 04:39 PM

As much as I respect the previous posters, and I really do

I have to agree mostly with Rusty and Jas. If you can't come on here and bitch and moan about your experience then the forum becomes just a place to praise good casinos and complain about rogues. I for one also love the in between.

No, I never get tired of reading about moans and groans because about 2 sentences in, I can go to the next post. Just like when someone is raving about their newly hit random, I can do the same thing, (but that's out of jealousy

) My point is that this forum is so big, and bitching makes up for so little.

I certainly don't agree that people are winning more than they are losing just because screenis are posted. Hell, I can go 8-10 deposits before I capture one worth showing. It may be an awesome hit, but you may also still have 2,000 left on your WR. I post it because its an awesome hit that others may enjoy. Plus, if everyone posted their losing screenies (not screen shots that suck), the system would likely shut down from not enough memory.

Too me its just an outlet, when I'm moaning, I rarely mention a specific casino. I may mention the software. Sometimes people just want to know if others are having the same experiences. I see nothing wrong with some good old fashion unedited, uncensored, even if unfounded Bitching.

Maybe a section could be dedicated to just people who want to moan and groan. A place where we can share our experiences, and conspiracy theories without the reps, and physicists, and analysts, and mathematicians, and the guy who got a b in algebra, to set us straight.

Chances are we are going to keep right on playing at the same casinos, its not about dogging them. Most of us play at the accredited casinos recommended by our fav. forum, CM. So when at 3Dice you go 100 spins on that game where the ball drops into the flowers and you get the bonus playing 75c and you win 12 cents, you want to bitch. When you go 300 spins on any rtg and you get the Trex bonus and you when less than you original bet, you want to bitch. When you finally get the Western bonus on Rival and you go 20 spins and win nada, you want to bitch. When your balance suddenly and rapidly goes straight to zero once WRs are met you want to bitch.

You don't want explanations of odds, and how this is the norm. When you know for a fact a while ago it played a certain way. Also, I love reading Silcnlayc's observations, I am normally in agreement with her. She is a seasoned member who tells it like it is. Hope she continues to do so.

Sorry to go on like this, just venting since the thread is about moaning.

**WonderingSpirit** · 2nd June 2009, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by slotheadlizard

Hell, I can go 8-10 deposits before I capture on worth showing.

Only 8-10? You're Lucky

**slotheadlizard** · 2nd June 2009, 11:12 PM

Well maybe 18-20

**doomed4ever** · 3rd June 2009, 12:14 AM

I think its good to let people groan and rant about a bad streak. Hell if I did this evertime I lost I would fill 400 pages. But still I think it serves some theraputic value. Funny though to see the same names (in some cases) always biatch about low payouts / returns etc. But it is freedom of speech. And hell as im not playing alot at the moment I cant comment much but will say this :

Without winners a casino will soon go bust.
Casinos need winners
Casinos have no need to mess with standard odds.
If you dont trust the software move on - they are 100s of places you can gamble.

Gamble for fun n leasure and the hope you hit big. And if you dont then chill - take it on the chin and wait for another day

**Rusty** · 3rd June 2009, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by doomed4ever

I think its good to let people groan and rant about a bad streak. Hell if I did this evertime I lost I would fill 400 pages. But still I think it serves some theraputic value. Funny though to see the same names (in some cases) always biatch about low payouts / returns etc. But it is freedom of speech. And hell as im not playing alot at the moment I cant comment much but will say this :

Without winners a casino will soon go bust.
Casinos need winners
Casinos have no need to mess with standard odds.
If you dont trust the software move on - they are 100s of places you can gamble.

Gamble for fun n leasure and the hope you hit big. And if you dont then chill - take it on the chin and wait for another day

I'm sorry I just cant let this go unchallenged.
I tried to but I couldn't

I disagree with nearly all of it.
I know I seem like I am lecturing and I am sorry to keep disagreeing but I am just putting my point of view across because I think this issue is more important than it may first appear

I think its good to let people groan and rant about a bad streak.

I'm not sure if you really believe that because you seem to contradict this view with the following statement.

Gamble for fun n leasure and the hope you hit big. And if you dont then chill - take it on the chin and wait for another day

No big deal but it followed on from this;

Without winners a casino will soon go bust.
Casinos need winners
Casinos have no need to mess with standard odds.
If you dont trust the software move on - they are 100s of places you can gamble.

So apparently you have made a assumption that all software is fair and you are basically patronizing anyone who begs to differ.
I will tell you why you are wrong in that assumption as well while I am here.

Without winners a Casino will go bust?
Nope, just about everyone who gambles at Casinos is losing since there is a House edge, it is just a matter of how fast and whether the losses are fair.

Casinos need winners
Like a hole in the head.
They need to have some wins but not winners. Winners get banned quicker than you say "Card counter or bonus abuser" unless they have good promotional value or are likely to give it back.

Casinos have no need to mess with standard odds.
This argument is totally flawed if it had any credence whatsoever we would not need regulations or watchdogs and no Casino would ever have cheated in the history of gambling.
You do know Casinos aren't charities and some have been caught cheating in the past?

If you dont trust the software move on - they are 100s of places you can gamble
No, if you don't trust the software tell people why, maybe you are wrong and they can explain why and restore your faith or maybe you will make well reasoned arguments and people will have their eyes opened.
Either way someone has been educated and that is good.

Surely this is an important part of what the forum is for?
We should give a shit about the state of online gaming and the number of people who get ripped off each and every month by rogue operators or Casinos trying to pull a fast One.
Sure we don't have a great deal of influence (Sometimes I feel like a fly in a lampshade) but if we just assume all is well and every thread that a losing player starts is just a bitch and moan then we may as well give it up.

Yes I keep beating the same drum but the jungle is dense.

**doomed4ever** · 3rd June 2009, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by Rusty

I'm sorry I just cant let this go unchallenged.
I tried to but I couldn't

I disagree with nearly all of it.
I know I seem like I am lecturing and I am sorry to keep disagreeing but I am just putting my point of view across because I think this issue is more important than it may first appear

I think its good to let people groan and rant about a bad streak.

I'm not sure if you really believe that because you seem to contradict this view with the following statement.

Gamble for fun n leasure and the hope you hit big. And if you dont then chill - take it on the chin and wait for another day

No big deal but it followed on from this;

Without winners a casino will soon go bust.
Casinos need winners
Casinos have no need to mess with standard odds.
If you dont trust the software move on - they are 100s of places you can gamble.

So apparently you have made a assumption that all software is fair and you are basically patronizing anyone who begs to differ.
I will tell you why you are wrong in that assumption as well while I am here.

Without winners a Casino will go bust?
Nope, just about everyone who gambles at Casinos is losing since there is a House edge, it is just a matter of how fast and whether the losses are fair.

Casinos need winners
Like a hole in the head.
They need to have some wins but not winners. Winners get banned quicker than you say "Card counter or bonus abuser" unless they have good promotional value or are likely to give it back.

Casinos have no need to mess with standard odds.
This argument is totally flawed if it had any credence whatsoever we would not need regulations or watchdogs and no Casino would ever have cheated in the history of gambling.
You do know Casinos aren't charities and some have been caught cheating in the past?

If you dont trust the software move on - they are 100s of places you can gamble
No, if you don't trust the software tell people why, maybe you are wrong and they can explain why and restore your faith or maybe you will make well reasoned arguments and people will have their eyes opened.
Either way someone has been educated and that is good.

Surely this is an important part of what the forum is for?
We should give a shit about the state of online gaming and the number of people who get ripped off each and every month by rogue operators or Casinos trying to pull a fast One.
Sure we don't have a great deal of influence (Sometimes I feel like a fly in a lampshade) but if we just assume all is well and every thread that a losing player starts is just a bitch and moan then we may as well give it up.

Yes I keep beating the same drum but the jungle is dense.

Very good valid points of view which I respect. And yep I suppose it is good to let others know if you have had a bum deal. I just think that we either trust in the casino we gamble at or we dont. Accredited to me from here means I wont get screwed or the likly hood of getting screwed is pretty damn slim. And I do stand by the statment that any casino worth its weight has no real need to cheat. They will always have the edge from now until the end of time. Those that do cheat will sooner or later fall by the road (albeit no doubt raping many an innocent gambler on the way) If somone plays at a accredited casino and they loose or go 1000 spins without a bonus round I really doubt its the casino operators fixing the odds. Its just pure luck and timing. While your loosing someone else is winning and between all that the Casino takes their cut. Hell i have gone 500 or 1000 spins sometimes and never get close and then I can also remember many a time second spin or second turn of a card I hit big. These are my own views and of course I respect other peeps point of view. It just comes down to what works best for yourself. Each to there own ,,, but for me the day I really cant trust casinos to offer fair odds I will quit and ... well lets not go into the "ands" Peace ... Doomed

**Rusty** · 3rd June 2009, 03:50 AM

Yeah good points about accredited Casinos and of course we all only play at places we consider fair, at least at first.

Thanks and respect for your comments, peace.

**slotheadlizard** · 3rd June 2009, 04:33 AM

Unfortunately for us Americans there are not 100s of places at which to play. I know what you meant tho, if you don't like where you are playing go to the next place. What if you love the place you are playing? The CM listed casinos have proven to be places that will pay you. It doesn't mean you will win more often, or even above average.
I don't think that bitching and moaning is just about if an accredited casino is fair or not. Sometimes we just bitch because we have hit a incredibly long suckfest of a streak and want to vent. If others are feeling your pain, they let you know. If people don't want to here it, click out. Should be no animosity just because you are stating your opinion.

On this forum, we shout out when casinos are top notch, and for what reason. It should be a two way street, if civil.

**silcnlayc** · 3rd June 2009, 04:40 AM

Yes I keep beating the same drum but the jungle is dense.

What an excellent observation! Had me laffin my tush off because it is soooo true!

Accredited to me from here means I wont get screwed or the likly hood of getting screwed is pretty damn slim

Same for me except it seems that even the accredited casinos are being caught hard with strange things they are doing. Inetbet has had 3 incidences if I recall that was not quite kosher, then 3 Dice was caught with their tech people looking the other way on a huge glitch and now 32red is caught doing strange things almost the same as Inetbet (changing the T&C's midstride in the middle of a dispute) and Clubworlds new lauch Lucky Red Casino was caught with a faulty counter and did not own up to it till more than one pointed it out.......

These incidents have all been recent and all are acredited and all are hailed as excellent casinos..but even the great ones fall every once in a while and as Rusty says..these are the things that need to be shared with others when a player encounters it...ESPECIALLY one that is on the "good" list IMO!...
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**oldtrvlagt** · 3rd June 2009, 06:02 AM

Basically I think we want someone to empathize with us at times (whether it be good or bad) because let's face it....online gambling for the most part is a solitary "hobby". We all have our own reasons (sometimes I just like to put my feet up or wear my jammies and the last B&M casino I went to frowned on that

J/K) or I just like the games. Whatever, doesn't matter but once in a while we stick our heads up to see what he rest of the "community" is doing. We Bitch, we moan, we groan, we say Yeah I won some $$$ and that keeps us going. We try to look out for the "newbies" and we feel bad when someone leaves. We stick our nose in to see who is doing what...it is a community (IMHO).