Suspicions - RTG software upgrade

[sparkles]

is not something Ive concluded today, I have felt this is a gradual thing for sometime, as I said completely my view, but wether the changes have been gradual or not, there have been changes. Wether it be green light with it so called error that was claimed when it was changed, they are changes none the less.

[NASHVEGAS]

I dunno. Try playing on Fridays between 3 AM and 7 AM only when it is raining. No desktops, only laptops!! Oh yeah, be sure your cell phone is on the charger.............Guess I will hire a couple of full time bodyguards.

Your turn and I'll keep doubling down on all pairs of dueces and Aces

[AussieGambler21]

I dunno. Try playing on Fridays between 3 AM and 7 AM only when it is raining. No desktops, only laptops!! Oh yeah, be sure your cell phone is on the charger.............Guess I will hire a couple of full time bodyguards.

Your turn and I'll keep doubling down on all pairs of dueces and Aces

LOL i assume you are from the states based on your handle?If so if it is 3 am in the morning where you are, then it is most likely sometime in the afternoon here so i might try playing between those times and see what happens

By the way very nice cashier screenshot

[NASHVEGAS]

Actually, I think the Mob ran a tighter ship with more integrity than nevermind .

That said, Casino Player's April 2009 Magazine has a very interesting article by Frank Legato specific to BandM slots but imo it would apply to onlines also that are fair. The title and sub-title of the article really says it all:

"THE SELECTIVE MEMORY OF SLOT PLAYERS"
"Are Slots Tighter Due To The Recession? The Evidence Shows Otherwise"

One excerpt:
"................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ......................................."

"Why, then, are readers reporting tighter machines? It is what John Robison, one of the top slot experts in the business, often calls ""selective memory"". Players remember when they lose--perhaps not more than when they win big, but certainly more than when they break even or win a moderate amount. The fresh memory of a losing session is combined with the news of the casino's economic woes, and an assumption is made that all machines are tighter."

"As I said, logical but wrong--and the empirical evidence backs me up"........."

[Jasminebed]

RTG operators have a range for slot playouts they can choose from, to the best of my knowlege, the only software provider that allows this.

When I see an "update" that does not involve the addition of a new game, I too am suspicious that it is not to offer us higher payouts...I would expect that be be announced with banners flying and a big "NEW and IMPROVED" neon sign.

[NASHVEGAS]

RTG operators have a range for slot playouts they can choose from, to the best of my knowlege, the only software provider that allows this.

When I see an "update" that does not involve the addition of a new game, I too am suspicious that it is not to offer us higher payouts...I would expect that be be announced with banners flying and a big "NEW and IMPROVED" neon sign.

"NEW and IMPROVED"
Guess I Better Send The New and Improved Docs. CW Wants Before You Know!!

[WagerWitch]

Yes but Vegas - How often do you get that?

Cause for me - it's once maybe in 2 years.

[silcnlayc]

Nashvegas, no offense meant but you are in a totally different league than 99% of us here. Your one bet is almost like our entire bankroll...so you will definitely see those huge withdrawals from players such as you.

If we, a s low rollers could get 1/10th of that we would be happy but we don't and many times we cannot afford to ride it out in one session. I do remember when a $20-50 deposit lasted for a long time and usually had a withdrawal of triple the deposit and MANY times a HUGE hit like $200-500 on a bonus round.

I have been playing since BEFORE 1996...so I know there have been changes slowly to the payscales...there NEVER used to be less than the bet won on any given bonus round, but now it has become the NORM..
I have stopped playing almost all RTG"s and like I said before, I am getting ready to uninstall the last few. They have become black sucking holes with no return.

The FEW and FAR between wins posted anymore is just a teaser IMO...they no longer play anywhere like they used to and that is NOT selective memory..it is a FACT.

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[heatherad]

I dunno. Try playing on Fridays between 3 AM and 7 AM only when it is raining. No desktops, only laptops!! Oh yeah, be sure your cell phone is on the charger.............Guess I will hire a couple of full time bodyguards.

Your turn and I'll keep doubling down on all pairs of dueces and Aces

Now I know where my deposits disappeared to!

[NASHVEGAS]

Nashvegas, no offense meant but you are in a totally different league than 99% of us here.

I understand and respect your point pursuant to the thread. I certainly play with a high risk of ruin at times but I'm not a party of one. It achieves some big wins and a lot of losses. I have been lucky enough to date to have exceeded expectation (w/o bonus chasing, despite expectations having been misrepresented, and other issues often swept under the rug or ignored) but by no means have I exceeded positive expectation. That is also another issue or set of issues so I will just leave it be other than (and regardless of some of my actions), A BET MADE SHOULD BE A BET PAID, ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY SHOWS ONE'S FAILURE TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTRACTUAL ASPECT OF A GAMING CONTRACT.

our one bet is almost like our entire bankroll...so you will definitely see those huge withdrawals from players such as you.

Again respectfully understood and relative to one's means and being responsible. But I could be a total faux up to my ear's in debt. Whether the case or not for moi, unfortunately it is the case for some books. A very sad fact!!

If we, a s low rollers could get 1/10th of that we would be happy but we don't and many times we cannot afford to ride it out in one session. I do remember when a $20-50 deposit lasted for a long time and usually had a withdrawal of triple the deposit and MANY times a HUGE hit like $200-500 on a bonus round.

I have been playing since BEFORE 1996...so I know there have been changes slowly to the payscales...there NEVER used to be less than the bet won on any given bonus round, but now it has become the NORM..
I have stopped playing almost all RTG"s and like I said before, I am getting ready to uninstall the last few. They have become black sucking holes with no return.

I used the word "fair" and certainly believe or in a few cases know there are many various online gaming areas per se where fairness is questionable. This does not exclude any software platform and I do not buy the "then don't play", "master of your own domain" gospel assuming one has the means and is responsible. I prefer and continue to believe one has the right to question and at least attempt to understand/determine fair, unfair, why we/some often perceive such a difference in gameplay of online platforms versus BandM's other than the obvious.

Does "then don't play", "master of your own domain", "speak with your wallet" become fair game, npi??? Absolutely, if one is aware of malfeasance,inequity or similiar. Memba that audit that got pulled and it was not Bryan or Enzo that initiated. I spoke with my wallet and eventually zipped (my mouth) it at Peace. Gaming has and always will be a corrupt biz (with lots of good people also) whether regulated or not. Fact, so by no means although I understand the implications of my prior posts, did I mean to imply whether the main issue of this thread may or may not be valid. I really dunno, ftr!!

The FEW and FAR between wins posted anymore is just a teaser IMO...they no longer play anywhere like they used to and that is NOT selective memory..it is a FACT.

I believe as the expert, that "selective memory" clearly plays a role in some of the issues mentioned above, most specifically our perceptions of online gaming fairness and can not be discounted but only a role. That said, afaic, unless blantantly obvious, the software platforms and industry will always have the advantage on gaming fairness. Sample size, chi-squared, standard deviations, binominal distributions, etc. make it virtually, OOPS ,improbable for the player to win (per se) a fairness debate but you do not have to win a debate, know what I mean,lol!?!?. As E J once posted, a sample size of 100 may be large enough to prove malfeasance but somehow it will be a defense where you can not win a debate, big deal if you are satisfied in your own mind (with a reasonable basis).

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Chow!