How an underage person could gamble online

[Casinomeister]

Okay fellow CMers. Your underage child gambles with your identity and your credit card and WINS. Do you cooperate in the fraud, or inform the casino and ask for a return of your deposit?...

You'd be surprised how many people have tried to scam a casino with the "It was my kid on my computer - please refund the money he deposited." Funny thing is that the "child" played the exact same games, in the exact same way as the parent.

Makes ya go "hmmmm".

The Internet (IMO) is much more secure and reliable when it comes to age verification. There are no ID checks at the door in ANY Vegas casino (that I can think of), and the only time ID is required is when a player cashes out $1000 or more.

Most online casinos require ID checks for cash outs of ANY amount.

[Jasminebed]

You'd be surprised how many people have tried to scam a casino with the "It was my kid on my computer - please refund the money he deposited." Funny thing is that the "child" played the exact same games, in the exact same way as the parent.

Makes ya go "hmmmm".

The Internet (IMO) is much more secure and reliable when it comes to age verification. There are no ID checks at the door in ANY Vegas casino (that I can think of), and the only time ID is required is when a player cashes out $1000 or more.

Most online casinos require ID checks for cash outs of ANY amount.

But do you not believe it is a more believable scenario for the PARENT of the underage child to say my KID won, so please cancel all the winnings and just refund my deposit instead?

I always read T&C's...even before casinomeister when I played at some dogdy places, I never saw one that allowed you to have anyone else have access to your casino account.

I fully expect Casinos to play by their rules, and I do my best to abide.
And you have anyone else on your computer and don't uncheck your passwords, you are just a fool. Even if you trust your kid, you don't necessarily trust all their friends.

I think it is a very reasonable response of casinos to request age verification, but they should have reasonable expectations of the same.

Chances are good little Johnny just changes his age on the registration form, and if he loses grandma's giftcard and can't provide age verification, tough noogies.

If your child steals from you, different matter.

[winbig]

There are no ID checks at the door in ANY Vegas casino (that I can think of), and the only time ID is required is when a player cashes out $1000 or more.

True, and not so true, at the same time.

Just a couple of months ago I had the good fortune of cashing in for $3500 in Atlantic City (Bally's, to be exact), and they took my chips and gave me cash, no questions asked.

I've also cashed in for over $1,000 in various Vegas casinos without ID....did you mean $10,000? I've see signs posted about that limit at every casino cage I've been to..

And while Vegas/other land based casinos won't ask you for ID at the door, they certainly will not let you play without ID if they think you're too young.

I don't know what the punishment/fines are for Vegas casinos to allow underage gamblers to play, but just last year, the Borgata in Atlantic City was fined a whopping $105,000 for not only allowing a 19 year old to gamble, but he was also able to get a players card, be rated, and rack up over $1,000 in comps over 10 visits in over a year. A dealer actually found out that he was underage and called the gaming commission.


What did the dealer get for this? A whopping $50

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/200...5k_for_al.html

I've been to the Borgata a few times since then, and I can say for a fact that the dealers I've ran into will card every person that doesn't look 21.

[Jasminebed]

A little off topic, but here in Ontario, and in Quebec, they do card you at the door.

My visits to US casinos...no one asked me, but that seemed reasonable given my age.

[Paul@JetCasino]

Credit card fraud is a global issue, not just related to gaming. What is to stop a child using their parents details to purchase things over the Internet? At least with a gaming account you have to enter personal information to create an account, then you have to clear the card issuer checks which I would HOPE all operators run, and next to that you need to provide ID if you cash out. This is much more than an online store would do, they simply ask for a delivery address, billing address and card details.

[zebedy]

This topic isn't just related to underage gambling, it is fraud in general. If someone knows your exact personal details and uses your credit card, an operator can only do so many checks to prove that the person who opened the account is the person whose details have been used. There has to be a happy medium in place for the kind of industry we are in. Requesting documents prior to a deposit would only work if every single operator across the globe were bound to that process. The more respected regulatory authorities have strict guidelines on preventing underage gambling, so rest assured most operators will catch them and put a stop to it very quickly.

in the uk a teenager can open a bank account and get a debit card.
i made a lot of deposits to an accredited casino on this site using a debit card over several years. in that time i was never asked for anything to prove my identity or age until i tried to cash out,so how would that casino know i wasn't underage. they wouldn't, unless im missing something about how accounts are verified before the op sends any info to the casino

maybe if it was made illegal for all casino's to accept deposits until a persons account was verified that would put a stop to alot of shady things,
but that wouldn't be up to the casino's it would probably be down to the governments in the licensing jurisdictions,

[brucefinaldi]

You'd be surprised how many people have tried to scam a casino with the "It was my kid on my computer - please refund the money he deposited." Funny thing is that the "child" played the exact same games, in the exact same way as the parent.

Very true statement.

[Paul@JetCasino]

in the uk a teenager can open a bank account and get a debit card.
i made a lot of deposits to an accredited casino on this site using a debit card over several years. in that time i was never asked for anything to prove my identity or age until i tried to cash out,so how would that casino know i wasn't underage. they wouldn't, unless im missing something about how accounts are verified before the op sends any info to the casino

Very basic checks prevent that. People under the age of 18 who use their own details will have their accounts closed promptly. It's only difficult when they use their parents details or someone else of age.

Operators have access to alot of information to prevent fraud, hence so much security is involved in the operation.

[cmich77]

actually, most states allow lottery sales when you are 18, so really what is the difference? I am from from the midwest where there are a TON of indian reservations where you only have to be 18. To me though, there is no difference in playing a legalized lottery and a game of poker. The state makes out big time in the lottery though.

[slotheadlizard]

You'd be surprised how many people have tried to scam a casino with the "It was my kid on my computer - please refund the money he deposited." Funny thing is that the "child" played the exact same games, in the exact same way as the parent.

Makes ya go "hmmmm".

The Internet (IMO) is much more secure and reliable when it comes to age verification. There are no ID checks at the door in ANY Vegas casino (that I can think of), and the only time ID is required is when a player cashes out $1000 or more.

Most online casinos require ID checks for cash outs of ANY amount.

I tried not to gamble while the kids were home, or awake. The computer was in our bedroom. If one of them would have figured out how to get on to a casino, they would be pushing the max on slots just to see what would happen, when I play 40 cents, and doubling down on 5, and taking hits on 18.