Winward (Rogue Casino)

[lovetogamble]

I know...their already listed as rogue here but they have new software (Top Games, I think) and a 200% 1st deposit bonus so I thought "what the heck" and gave them a try. Truely they are as rogue as ever. I hit one free spin on a game and won a total of .45 cents. The other game I played was Bankroll and the highest I hit for was $7.00 on $1.50 bets.

I wouldn't recommend this casino to my worst enemy!

[kmay87]

Please don't tell me you gave them your own money

Why? Even if it was a good bonus your chances of being paid are minimal.

[Casinomeister]

I know...their already listed as rogue here but they have new software (Top Games, I think) and a 200% 1st deposit bonus so I thought "what the heck" and gave them a try. Truely they are as rogue as ever. I hit one free spin on a game and won a total of .45 cents. The other game I played was Bankroll and the highest I hit for was $7.00 on $1.50 bets.

I wouldn't recommend this casino to my worst enemy!

Why even have a rogue section here??

It's activities like this that keep these people in business, so why complain?

A fool and his money are soon parted. Perhaps I should make up a new User Group in this forum for players who continue to patronize the rogues.

I'll call it the "Fool player" user group.

[wangpoker]

Two notorious software providers, Parlay Entertainment a publicly traded corporation and TopGame a private operation develop our online casino gaming software.

xxxhttp://www.winwardcasino.com/fairplay.asp

[lovetogamble]

I know....I know....but it was only $25 of my own money and I sure let their support staff know "THEY SUCK"!

[Casinomeister]

I know....I know....but it was only $25 of my own money and I sure let their support staff know "THEY SUCK"!

Maybe so, but you just paid for a Pizza lunch.

[kmay87]

Even today, I'm still shocked to read things such as this. If someone plays at a rogue casino, and then discovers this site, then fair enough, they probably didn't know about the rogue list.

But for members, and one of nearly six years at that, I don't understand what you hoped to achieve. Possibly giving a sense of misdirection to new members thinking that just because a casino is rogued, it doesn't mean they shouldn't play there.

Now if you had come here, or anyone for that matter, and said 'I wanted to play at a rogue casino, but then I saw sense, and instead donated what I would have deposited to a charity,' it would have been greeted with praise all-round.

But as Bryan said, depositing ANY amount at these casinos is what's keeping them in business.

[vinylweatherman]

This tells us something about TopGame though - they couldn't give a rat's a$$ who gets to use their software, so we will have to expect ROGUE TopGame casinos to start cropping up as this new supplier continues to expand. The dismal experience on the slots has nothing to do with Winward being rogue, it has all to do with TopGame slots being CRAP!!

If you want to experience something as boring as watching grass grow, or paint dry, you can at least play at a TopGame casino that at least makes the effort to engage with Casinomeister members, and learn from the experience. One day, TopGame may have decent games because of this. TopGame should resist the temptation to let just ANYBODY license their software though, they should set standards that include fair treatment of players.

[kmay87]

I'm sure you have more knowledge than me Vinyl on the actual software, but if the OP had a $75 starting balance and was doing $1.50 spins, then that gives a minimum of 50 spins. Is this really enough to determine whether their payouts are fair?

[vinylweatherman]

I'm sure you have more knowledge than me Vinyl on the actual software, but if the OP had a $75 starting balance and was doing $1.50 spins, then that gives a minimum of 50 spins. Is this really enough to determine whether their payouts are fair?

It's not so much about fairness, but game design. Slots with bonus rounds consisting of ONE free spin was how they started out. Improvements have been made, and a separate thread details how the slots are moving slowly in the right direction. HOWEVER, such super low variance slots should EASILY give lots of small payouts, even over a short 50 spin sample. All this pales into insignificance when they rubber stamp licensees such as Winward, who can then continue ripping off players with some new software. Maybe a change of name would help, then they could rip off even MORE players, including screwing old Winwardites over by inviting them into the "new start-up casino", and then "discovering" they have duplicate accounts (the old Winward one) if they win. I recall this very thing happening with another casino that changed it's name, and caught out old players who thought they had never played before.
Virtual are creating a similar situation for players even now, by renaming all the casinos they bought in from Warren Cloud's empire (and now seem to have sold on again - very confusing because Chris DeAngelo STILL works there in some capacity), so that players with old accounts could easily think they have joined a new casino, and thus create a new account. Not that Virtual really need to concoct such a situation, adept as they are already at the Royal Rip-Off.