Are All Software Features And Bonuses Pre - Determined?

[GGW Laurie]

I found out just a little while ago from 3 dice that all the features are already pre determined, this has me wondering about other software casinos, are they the same, if i hit a feature at inetbet on goldbeard or sunken treasures , has it already determined what my win will be, the same goes for rival, if your playing scary rich, are those spins also going to be pre determined ?

This just doesnt seem fair to me and takes the fun out of it now. i had asked as i made several deposits at 3 dice and decided to bet bigger amounts and it just kept freezing up and losing connection , sometimes during bonus rounds, rather frustratng imo, i checked inetbet and some other casinos, no problems there, i asked about this and that was when i was told, i think this really stinks if you ask me. i still like to play at 3 dice but this sure did burst my bubble and leaves me thinking about randoms and such now.

This is one of the frozen shots, or it would be spinning but nothing moving , enzo needs to check into this if anyone else has had the same problems.

[dcpam39]

I think that they are all pre-determined. I have been disconnected at the end of bonus rounds at sloto cash, and inet; reconnected---the bonus rounds replayed and I won the exact same amount.

[winbig]

I don't think they are at MG casinos...I've been disconnected a few times during a bonus round and when I reconnected it picked up right where it left off...

[jas2587]

I don't think they are at MG casinos...I've been disconnected a few times during a bonus round and when I reconnected it picked up right where it left off...

Micro is predetermined also they just don't make ya go thru the torture of all the spins from start to finish

I was playing at a unnamed casino on a few occasions last week an I even said in chat dang whats up with the connection the game kept freezing etc I had 2 leave reboot an restart the casino an it was still messed up all that was said was I'm sorry Cindy which was cool I knew that that person couldn't do a thing about it

but yeah I believe all are predetermined

Cindy

[rockycatt]

Heres the way i look at it ok you pay a man to fish in his pond he promises
to stock it with fish you keep the fish you catch[you also bring your own bait .
so it's a understanding that he must keep the pond stocked with fish=
[wins=fish]
corect me if im off RC

[binshakindown]

since all the spins at the instant that the play is started, the win is determined. It doesn't seem any different: win bonus, random predetemined amount is won, our coins last longer cause we get to watch the reels spin on the bonus. It would seem that the software providers could make the bonus pay immediately, but what is the fun in that (unless it is a big payout )

[DogBoy001]

I found out just a little while ago from 3 dice that all the features are already pre determined, this has me wondering about other software casinos, are they the same, if i hit a feature at inetbet on goldbeard or sunken treasures , has it already determined what my win will be, the same goes for rival, if your playing scary rich, are those spins also going to be pre determined ?

Heya,

Pre-determined is a tricky term to use, and would likely only be used in cases where the software actually operates by checking first to see what prize to award, and then displaying the appropriate result.

This contrasts with truly random systems (which includes RTG), where the stop position of each reel is independently determined by the RNG, and then a subsequent win evaluation routine is run to determine whether a winning combination has occurred.
In the case of a feature such as free spins, each spin would be another random request for stop locations, with win evaluation then following each spin.

In some instances system providers using truly random generation of results request all the results for a free game sequence at the time of trigger.
e.g.: After a random trigger of say 15 free games the game engine generates 15 more random game results for the feature (or more if one or more of those were to yield a re-trigger, for instance).
Each result is still random, it's just that it might all be generated at the outset of the feature.

Woooof

[slotplayer]

Well I don't know about online but I saw an interview with a land casino slot manufacturer and he said the bonus rounds were not predetermined.

However, every notice with the online casinos when you get the free spins retriggered there are a bunch of non-winning spins in there.

I don't think they are at MG casinos...I've been disconnected a few times during a bonus round and when I reconnected it picked up right where it left off...

That's just because the MG casinos keep track of the session data. Ever see the port lights blink at each spin?
I wonder if they send the next spin's random number? I did noticed when the traffic is erattic the game hits really good. I got 3 consecutive bonus rounds on Jonny Spector last time that happened.

[CasinoKidd]

In regards to the technical aspect, 3 Dice pisses me off. Numerous occasions something like this goes down: Mona's tourney starts in 3 minutes... switch over to her tourney... first few spins go fine... and then it disconnects. The thing that's such a joke is that it auto-reconnects, but then you get disconnected again... then it auto-reconnects... and disconnects you again... it's this cycle that endlessly pisses you off. By the time you shut down the software, restart it, the tourney is half over..


And this hasn't happened "just once".

[SteveCut]

Lauriejim wrote:
I found out just a little while ago from 3 dice that all the features are already pre determined, this has me wondering about other software casinos, are they the same, if i hit a feature at inetbet on goldbeard or sunken treasures , has it already determined what my win will be, the same goes for rival, if your playing scary rich, are those spins also going to be pre determined ?

This just doesnt seem fair to me and takes the fun out of it now.

I don't see how it makes any difference. It's not as if some casino employee sits down and writes out a pre-determined list for every spin for every player. If it's pre-determined that will mean that the RNG will have already pumped out a sequence of results, stuck them in a queue and the next result in the queue will be allocated for each spin. If it's not pre-determined then the RNG will generate a result on a spin by spin basis. The only difference is the time that the results are generated. This changes nothing from the player's perspective.

It's a bit like a football match. Sometimes when my team plays live on t.v., I'm not free to watch them. What I can do, is avoid hearing the result (that's the difficult part!) and watch the match the next day when it's repeated. The fact that the result is pre-determined does not alter my enjoyment of the match as long as I know nothing of what has already happened. To me it is "as live". In the same way as playing a no-skill game like slots, I have no influence over the result so it doesn't matter if the result is pre-determined (watched as a repeat) or determined in real-time (watched (at the time it's played). In fact you could argue that both are exactly the same, as both events happened in my past, just one is further in my past than the other.

What may worry you more is the likelihood that the whole of our universe is determined i.e. it's already there and we are just travellers through the spacetime loaf. But that discussion is probably best left to a different thread