Really Strange IGT VP Win? Or not?

[DarkMage]

I know this guy very well.This is legit.He and his dad were playing at TIoga (sp) Racino in NY state. His dad took the pic. I asked him 10 times if he was dealt that. He said "no..I held 2 deuces and thats what came up.This is 120 percent legit!

From what I know of the Racino's in NY....They are not RANDOM machines, they are the same thing as scratch-off cards. It is ILLEGAL to operate casino games in NYS. The REAL payback percentage in the Racino's for VP is only around 75%..

They are VERY deceptive about that fact! Most people are fooled to believe that the Racino's are "Random".

The Native American Casino's in NY are random however..(They are self-regulated...so who knows?)

[winbig]

I copied these posts into here for discussion cos its one of the oddest things I've ever seen if it's what it says it is. My thought initially was "doctored screenshot" but i'm not sure it is now looking at the reflections.

Although if i was a betting man ( ) I'd say the 4 deuces came up pat and the two "Held" indicators either didn't stick (malfunction) or have been cleverly removed for a bit of fun! And what are the little "20" symbols in the bottom left corner of each hand?

Fishy IMO

In fact the more i think about it, the reflections don't seem logical. Speculations?

Well, if you'll notice, the 3 of diamonds is in one of the other hands too. So I guess they stick cards back in the deck before drawing? That's BS, IMO.

[Zoozie]

From what I know of the Racino's in NY....They are not RANDOM machines, they are the same thing as scratch-off cards. It is ILLEGAL to operate casino games in NYS. The REAL payback percentage in the Racino's for VP is only around 75%..

They are VERY deceptive about that fact! Most people are fooled to believe that the Racino's are "Random".

The Native American Casino's in NY are random however..(They are self-regulated...so who knows?)

I believe this is the correct explanation. It may look like a VP machine, but it is a fruit slot with a very low payout. If you are dealth a PAT RF and you discard it, then you will be give another PAT RF back.

If you are dealth 4 dueces (which might not have been the case here), you can discard 2 of the dueces and you are sure that you will get them back again. (cards recycled). Everything is decided before you receive the cards and it this case it was decided that an *800 bet-size win was up. Then the machine finds card to represent this win. (Avoid at all costs as Vortran would say...)

I am trying to remember where I have read it. It could be Wizard of Odds. I will try look for a link.

[Mousey]

those VLT (Video LOTTERY Terminal) and bingo based machines are NOT properly random. If your particular deal is a winner in the system, you can throw away everything and still win. Won't play them, as proper VP strategy means absolutely nothing and VP is no better than slots at these joints. The race tracks in Alabama (where gambling is illegal ) has these weird types of machines. They give me the creeps.

[katodog]

I think you are all correct in that VLT'S are dodgy. I suspected it since the first time I played at a racino.

[RobWin]

those VLT (Video LOTTERY Terminal) and bingo based machines are NOT properly random. If your particular deal is a winner in the system, you can throw away everything and still win. Won't play them, as proper VP strategy means absolutely nothing and VP is no better than slots at these joints. The race tracks in Alabama (where gambling is illegal ) has these weird types of machines. They give me the creeps.

Mousey, have you ever tried those over at Quincys777 in Shorter, Al. ?? Also known as Victoryland.

[GGW Laurie]

Well, if you'll notice, the 3 of diamonds is in one of the other hands too. So I guess they stick cards back in the deck before drawing? That's BS, IMO.

i agree, but it is one of the strangest shots i have ever seen...............laurie

[katodog]

Well, if you'll notice, the 3 of diamonds is in one of the other hands too. So I guess they stick cards back in the deck before drawing? That's BS, IMO.

I might be missing something Winbig. The 3 of diamonds can't come in more than once on your draw? If it was discarded that would be a problem. Please explain because I am currently having a brain-fart.

[katodog]

I will calculate the probability tomorrow if that game does not have autohold.
If it has, but he still held some of the cards manually as well, then there's a second possible explanation.

I just checked with him.The game was not autohold.

[gerilege]

I just checked with him.The game was not autohold.

Then that is not a random VP machine. I thought IGT does only have true VPs, but it seems that I was wrong.