MG are you taking the ****?

[yameater]

Let me just say that when people used to moan and complain about payouts, I thought it was silly, as that is the nature of gambling: especially slots.
Back in Feb, March, and April this year I made around $7,000.00 at two of my favorite Mg casinos. I actually got a little nervous thinking something was wrong! Then I went to Atlantic City in May (lost my tushie) and came back looking forward to playing online again. That is when I noticed a change. I literally have not cashed out at a MG casino since April. I haven't made huge deposits, but what is fishy to me is the lack of playback, period. You can't make even $50.00 last twenty min. (and I'm a conservative better: $.50 to $.90 a spin).!
So to all those who are crying fowl about MG right now, I have filled buckets. I know where your'e coming from. I have almost stopped gambling all together since it is not much fun anymore. To be honest I hope the new administration overturns the gambling ban. Then I can play at Playtech casinos again.

[footdr]

I have basically stopped playing at any Micro casinos after they stopped allowing U.S. players to play the Progressive Slots and now they won't even allow a U.S. player to play their new slot "my slot".

So why play somewhere that restricts the games you can play, stopped giving you VIP perks such as Holiday gifts, Birthday Bonuses and the like?

I basically play at two RTG casinos, thats it.

I plan to play decrease play to once a month!

p.s. payout at mini-vegas group has been the best for me although now nearly as good as it use to be

[hushda24]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Mg gets worse and worse, maybe it is a joke?
It has taken me nearly 1000 spins in 3 different casinos to hit the free spins in the Osbornes and guess what?
2 Dogs in the whole 10 spins. 10Xbet.
My last 5 deposits at MG have all yielded below 70% payback.

Nothing has changed at MG?
That depends if you always thought they screwed their players doesn't it?

RTG and Cherry Red you are next, looking forward to listing my playstats with you over the last month or so.

As a matter of interest how as Osbornes played for others because I went nearly 300 spins without hitting the grab a prize bonus also

My New Years resolution is pretty obvious this Year but will I stick to it or continue to line the pockets of thieves?
Maybe I will surprise myself

Well i said to myself i will never complain of losing,After cuting out my play at casinos to nearly zero in last month,I tryed osbournes,Well i have not checked the stats on this,But i am still yet to hit a free spin feature on it I am guessing here,Over 2000 spins easily,I now laugh when i get two dogs and the reels spin slowly and make that stupid noise I get the grab a gift and 3 knockers quite often,But they pay sod all anyway. I am now finished with it all. If everyone who moans about microgamming done the same,Then they might have to take notice ? Rant over and merry xmas to you all.

[vinylweatherman]

Originally Posted by footdr

I have basically stopped playing at any Micro casinos after they stopped allowing U.S. players to play the Progressive Slots and now they won't even allow a U.S. player to play their new slot "my slot".
So why play somewhere that restricts the games you can play, stopped giving you VIP perks such as Holiday gifts, Birthday Bonuses and the like?

I basically play at two RTG casinos, thats it.

I plan to play decrease play to once a month!

p.s. payout at mini-vegas group has been the best for me although now nearly as good as it use to be

This is the oddest move of all, WHY

It's simply "Summertime" - look in the registry and the key itself simply marks "MySlot" as a variant of "Summertime".

All the software for running it came with the Viper upgrade, so MGS have ACTUALLY SPENT MONEY in adding extra code whose ONLY purpose is to disable "My Slot" for US players. Unlike the progressives, there is no case for this other than any "case" for blocking US players from all the "clones", of which My Slot is just the latest.

MGS may, of course, be LYING about how My Slot works, and perhaps OUR PERSONALISATIONS actually get uploaded to MGS, and under that sneaky small print term become "the property of MGS" in the same way as those competitions for holidays operate with the tie breaker. This could get them slot designs by the back door, WE do the work, but THEY get the rights to the symbol sets, and MAY later use them for one of their own slots, or even make them generally available to ALL players through "My Slot".
Here lies the problem, if US players upload designs to MGS, then MGS become DIRECTLY INVOLVED as a company with so called "illegal online gambling", and could become a DIRECT target, as wel as being pursued simply as the software providor for "illegal casinos".

This would lend some logic to the decision.

No Progressives - easy, could prove hard or impossible to pay big win, PR Disaster follows.

No "My Slot" - could make them an accessory to the fact in any legal action against a casino operating "My Slot" where it can be shown to have offered a promotion or payment to a US player whose own My Slot design has been used to market further "illegal" online gambling.


Since MGS are probably going to finally pull the plug soon (1st December must have failed due to "technical difficulties"), WHY bother doing all this extra fiddling around in the mean time. It could very well leave non-US players with a "buggy" lobby next year as all these "temporary fixes" get left behind, and begin to create conflicts with future developments (don't laugh, It has happened before, although I got a nice dinner at a top London eatery from 32Red for "busting" MG as the culprit, rather than the players PCs and ISPs, which was all that could be dragged out of MGS at the time).

Perhaps Christmas and new year are simply too lucrative for a few MG casinos to overlook, so maybe loads of promotions for US players, funded by sweet FA for the rest of us, but it will then be OUR turn NEXT year. They will even save money, as there is no "Thanksgiving" over here, just Christmas (and Guy Fawkes night here in the UK).

[Shocked]

Umm

The MG casinos (well Ladbrokes and 32 Red) have been fairly good for me - I'm a low roller and I've cashed out (net) £540 from 3 withdrawals just from 32 Red and today made £100 from £10 which I'd left in my account. Some of the slots seem to change in how generous they are, but I never stick to one for long anyway.

Now, if we were talking about wagerworks...

[skiny]

I sent an email to Vegas Joker about not seeing a single free spin bonus out of my entire deposit and get this reply...

Please note that nobody else is actually complaining about free spins or
bonuses at our casino.

Then of course the apology for my disappoinment and then -

I would advise you to either change the games you play or simply stop
playing for a little while.

Best Regards,

Luigi

(I changed games about 5 times out of roughly 500 spins because most of my spins where hitting nothing.)

[Rusty]

The sad thing about this is it led to me revert back to RTG which I stopped playing because...well you guessed it.

I have come to accept that all software plays the same and is weighted but that should not necessarily mean the player gets screwed.

The big problem is that slot returns are altered without the players knowledge and it is not done through reel layout or paytable changes but through weighting.
I am certain there are times when I am playing games with payouts set to as low 35%
If the weighting is altered without the players knowledge then this constitutes a rigged game in my view because the player is deceived into playing a game they believe has 93%+ average return through every single spin and not a manufactured return over the course of a predefined period.

RTG, Playtech, MGS, Rival all use this system to control return and cashflow and if they did not I dare say Casinos would demand it.

The most subtle is MGS but since they have cut the returns of their slots it has become more noticeable.
The most blatant id Rival and how anyone can go near that software I have no idea then again I like RTG slots but they are only a step up from Rival.

Then we have the New kids on the block like wizzard gaming and guess what... yeah the slots are weighted.

I still hope One Day a Casino will be brave enough to develop its own software (3Dice?) and just use natural variance as a means to control returns (It can be done with the right design) but so far there is no incentive for them to do so.
Why would they when they can have a guaranteed income with controlled cash-flow and not have to worry about a Whale getting lucky and wiping out the profit for a Few Months.
Take X in then pay Y out.
If times are hard or slow lower the return to make up for it.

If online slots are your choice of drug then I'm afraid the best you can do is limit your deposits and low roll.
That or don't do drugs

[catrina m]

I just had one of the worst slot sessions I have ever experienced.

Villento took my deposit so fast It amazed me. I try to play normal spins. All the lines, minimum bet. In 3 minutes I was down to 7 lines just hoping to hit a feature and get back to normal. The whole deposit went without even a glimmer of hope.

Not entertaining. The software was only letting me see 1 out of every 3 spins because of freezing. ( not my comp, brand new with high speed DSL) and it wasn't downloading the whole list like MG loves to do to you.

I wrote that deposit off, no more MG for this girl.

I moved to Cherry Red. Get some entertainment!

No bonus's listed, only blackjack tourney signup where the bonus's usually are. I deposit without a bonus.

Same thing! In just a few minutes I am almost busted!

I go to achilles and spin 7 lines at minimum, maybe I can get lucky and hit a feature and play normally.

Several hundred spins at that and no feature. Busted out.

I guess no more RTG for this girl either.

Should have watched a movie and saved my 2 deposits.

I usually get a movies worth out of one deposit. 2 gone in the blink of an eye?

Who can afford that type of ( frustrating) enjoyment.

I am scared to deposit at 3 Dice, lost 22 straight deposits and posted it. Enzo gave me a nice comp but it ate that very fast also. I do not take small deposits and bet big, I try to make it last.

It doesn't anymore.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by catrina m

I just had one of the worst slot sessions I have ever experienced.

Villento took my deposit so fast It amazed me. I try to play normal spins. All the lines, minimum bet. In 3 minutes I was down to 7 lines just hoping to hit a feature and get back to normal. The whole deposit went without even a glimmer of hope.

Not entertaining. The software was only letting me see 1 out of every 3 spins because of freezing. ( not my comp, brand new with high speed DSL) and it wasn't downloading the whole list like MG loves to do to you.

I wrote that deposit off, no more MG for this girl.

I moved to Cherry Red. Get some entertainment!

No bonus's listed, only blackjack tourney signup where the bonus's usually are. I deposit without a bonus.

Same thing! In just a few minutes I am almost busted!

I go to achilles and spin 7 lines at minimum, maybe I can get lucky and hit a feature and play normally.

Several hundred spins at that and no feature. Busted out.

I guess no more RTG for this girl either.

Should have watched a movie and saved my 2 deposits.

I usually get a movies worth out of one deposit. 2 gone in the blink of an eye?

Who can afford that type of ( frustrating) enjoyment.

I am scared to deposit at 3 Dice, lost 22 straight deposits and posted it. Enzo gave me a nice comp but it ate that very fast also. I do not take small deposits and bet big, I try to make it last.

It doesn't anymore.

That sucks but I think it is what many of us are experiencing currently.
All my recent deposits have vanished without a sign of any play let alone winning.
Everyone loses together it seems and yet we are told the slot returns are not altered.
I will believe in Santa again before I believe that nonsense.

[skiny]

Personally I'm starting to feel a little insulted by this constant statement that it's all just bad luck. It's an insult to my intelligence. I've had this debate more times than I can count. There's no way any casino is going to stricktly rely on player luck or bad luck to make money. Casinos know the odds on any game or they wouldn't host them.

Vegas Joker - As discussed earlier we cannot do anything else but empathize with you and express our regret for this bad luck streak, but at the same breath we assure you that all our games are randomly operated. No attempt
whatsoever is made to alter or manipulate the random nature of the
system. -

First of all I seriously doubt you regret taking my money.

Second of all everyone knows the RNG generates random numbers. I can even email asking not to be told the RNG generates random numbers and the casinos will always email me back and say "The system uses random numbers."

Third, you don't have to manipulate anything if the software is doing it for you.

Random does not mean fair. Randomly losing every single spin is still randomly losing.

Almost 500 spins wagering on every line and not a single bonus from deposit to bankrupt and all the casino does is blow you off with "Sorry 'bout your luck."

At Vegas Joker I guess the joke's on me.