32 Red randomness/shoe games

[GrandMaster]

Furthermore, it is also possible for a casino to select a card at random from the remaining one whenever a new card is needed, without generating the whole shuffle in advance.

It's impossible. Changing order of cards appearance will cause changing of checksum given before game.

That's not what I meant. The casino does not have to shuffle the whole deck in advance. An alternative and perfectly legitimate way of dealing the cards is to select one card at random from the remaining cards whenever a card is required. It is like having the card in the shuffler, and just stopping the shuffler and taking the top card each time. The randomness control does not work for this situation.

[Jufo]

The only method I l know that guarantees fairness for the player without having to trust external certifying agencies is Fairdice.

I browsed through the Fairdice thread back from 2004 (http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...e-testing.html)

So what happened to this project? Casinos were not interested? I would think that there is a customer demand for such a resolution, if only some casino would be the first one to try it.

[SlotMonster]

That's not what I meant. The casino does not have to shuffle the whole deck in advance. An alternative and perfectly legitimate way of dealing the cards is to select one card at random from the remaining cards whenever a card is required. It is like having the card in the shuffler, and just stopping the shuffler and taking the top card each time. The randomness control does not work for this situation.

Yes, you are right, but doing this way will cause too many questions.

[Grey]

To be fair, the randomness control only verifies that the outcome is not affected by bet size. The randomness control doesn't guarantee for example that dealt cards are randomly picked.

Your can influence the random series that the server generates by cutting the deck or reordering the cards that are dealt at the card games.

[Jufo]

Do you have some kind of financial interest in that casino or in "Randomness Control"? "Randomness control" only proves that say, in a card game, the order of the cards was not changed from the previously generated shuffle. Even if the RNG is certified fair, it still does not mean that the numbers are converted to cards in a fair way. Furthermore, it is also possible for a casino to select a card at random from the remaining one whenever a new card is needed, without generating the whole shuffle in advance. The only method I l know that guarantees fairness for the player without having to trust external certifying agencies is Fairdice.

At BetVoyager the whole deck(s) are shuffled in advance in card games. The complete ordering of the deck(s) can be viewed after each hand. The player can choose an arbitrary cutting point of the shuffled deck. It seems random and fair enough for me to trust it, and my overall results are completely within expectations. However, the randomness control would be even better if in addition to cutting the deck you could choose the indexes of each card picked, for example in Video Poker when having Four to a royal, you could order that card #23 is the replacement card instead of just next card from the shuffled deck.

[GrandMaster]

If you could also choose the card you want, it would be sufficient, but being able to cut the deck is not enough.

[Jufo]

If you could also choose the card you want, it would be sufficient, but being able to cut the deck is not enough.

I agree. However it would have to be very difficult to create non-random shuffles in favour of the casino given the arbitrary cut point and the ability for the player to view and analyze each shuffle in its entirety. But I agree, they should add a feature to pick any chosen card in the remaining shoe.