Casino Club Problems

[Zodiac]

Hi folks,

can anyone of you tell me what's the matter with the CC rep here ?

last activity on Oktober 28 for an accredited casino ?

he got some pm but nothing happens

thank you

[actech]

I registered to this casino a month or so ago to try this casino with 10$ free chip that was ofered. Forgot through which affiliate ii register, as after few emails to them, to ask where is my free chip, only reply came as they do not offer this, and affiliate is givin this chip or something like this. Sended email after that with no response.
They don't respond, or they do not know what or which afiliate promote them. Uninstaled casino after that

[Zodiac]

Our site advertise also for CC but if the aff manager does not bring experience in this affair why customer accounts will closed and always after the players will like to make a withdraw, then i don't know why it should be longer accredited.

That's also the great misery between if you have an affiliate sites and some of your players have problems and the casinos will not deal with you.

The reasons are always the same:

we have the established suspicion that you have tried to play in a deceitful manner

but the great problem is that the security department will not say why and they don't will bring any of proofs

that's fact

if it were not so serious, one would have to laugh

[Christoff]

I registered to this casino a month or so ago to try this casino with 10$ free chip that was ofered. Forgot through which affiliate ii register, as after few emails to them, to ask where is my free chip, only reply came as they do not offer this, and affiliate is givin this chip or something like this. Sended email after that with no response.
They don't respond, or they do not know what or which afiliate promote them. Uninstaled casino after that

Hi actech, I am the Affiliate Manager for AffiliateClub.com which is owned and operated by the same company who run CasinoClub.com.

Regarding the $10 free chip that was offered to you, could you please PM me the details of where you heard about this offer?

I will look into it for you.

Cheers,

Chris

[vinylweatherman]

Our site advertise also for CC but if the aff manager does not bring experience in this affair why customer accounts will closed and always after the players will like to make a withdraw, then i don't know why it should be longer accredited.

That's also the great misery between if you have an affiliate sites and some of your players have problems and the casinos will not deal with you.

The reasons are always the same:

we have the established suspicion that you have tried to play in a deceitful manner

but the great problem is that the security department will not say why and they don't will bring any of proofs

that's fact

if it were not so serious, one would have to laugh

This is sometimes a matter of which affiliate a player comes through. For example, if they came through casinbonuswhores<dot>com, the casino will know this, and will be expecting a large proportion of "play in a deceitful manner". If an affiliate is getting a number of problems like this from "their" players, it looks like their site is being flagged somehow. An accredited casino should hardly ever have these kinds of problems, and should only be weeding out GENUINE fraudsters.

Christoff, as affiliate manager should be able to state right away whether there is a current $10 free chip promotion open for affiliates to use. Looks rather like he is fishing for the source, rather than trying to sort the problem out. Maybe this is an exclusive offer that has been leaked, and Christoff is trying to shut off the leak, and needs to know which sites are offering it.
Try casinobonuswhores<dot>com for starters. They will post codes that are not necessarily available for all, and tell players how to pretend to be eligible. Often, it is either a case of entering a code into the software, or emailing your account number and the code to CS.

I am sure Casino Club were offering something like this as a Casinomeister exclusive a while back, but to be eligible, players had to download through Casinomeister advertising banners.

[Christoff]

This is sometimes a matter of which affiliate a player comes through. For example, if they came through casinbonuswhores<dot>com, the casino will know this, and will be expecting a large proportion of "play in a deceitful manner". If an affiliate is getting a number of problems like this from "their" players, it looks like their site is being flagged somehow. An accredited casino should hardly ever have these kinds of problems, and should only be weeding out GENUINE fraudsters.

Christoff, as affiliate manager should be able to state right away whether there is a current $10 free chip promotion open for affiliates to use. Looks rather like he is fishing for the source, rather than trying to sort the problem out. Maybe this is an exclusive offer that has been leaked, and Christoff is trying to shut off the leak, and needs to know which sites are offering it.
Try casinobonuswhores<dot>com for starters. They will post codes that are not necessarily available for all, and tell players how to pretend to be eligible. Often, it is either a case of entering a code into the software, or emailing your account number and the code to CS.

I am sure Casino Club were offering something like this as a Casinomeister exclusive a while back, but to be eligible, players had to download through Casinomeister advertising banners.

Hi vinylweatherman, CasinoClub.com, in the past, has used no deposit bonuses - we offered it on CasinoMeister.com (T&Cs included a termination date were issued). We only offer it to reputable affiliates and it can lead to players trying the casino whereas otherwise you might not be tempted.

The reason I ask for information regarding the affiliate offering the no deposit bonus is because we stopped these a few months ago and would like to contact the affiliates/websites who are still offering it and misdirecting players as a result.

If there are any issues, please feel free to PM me or email me directly - chris (@) affiliateclub.com

[Zodiac]

Hi VWM,

i don't know whether you understand what i meant.

I will do my best and try to explain it better.

It goes not around in regarding no deposit bonusse, the problem is that accounts from some european players are closed because they get reproached played in deceitful intention.

And it always will happen if the players try to make a cash out.

What CC do is, that none of them will say what's the exactly reason for it.

Nobody will do it and that's not fair and a shame for an "accredited casino".

[vinylweatherman]

Hi VWM,

i don't know whether you understand what i meant.

I will do my best and try to explain it better.

It goes not around in regarding no deposit bonusse, the problem is that accounts from some european players are closed because they get reproached played in deceitful intention.

And it always will happen if the players try to make a cash out.

What CC do is, that none of them will say what's the exactly reason for it.

Nobody will do it and that's not fair and a shame for an "accredited casino".

I do understand, however you are saying that there is a pattern that seems based on location, rather than the player's own actions, that seems to contribute to the problem.

Casinos tend to view entire countries as "deceitful players", and whereas some players will be given the benefit of the doubt, the SAME actions from a player who resides in a "deceitful country" will result in confiscated winnings and a "F*&^% off" from the casino.
This seems to be affecting players from Europe disproportionately, so they must be doing "something wrong", yet they probably obey all the rules.
Some while ago, it was revealed that casinos track the "quality" of players they receive through different routes. In Denmark, an advantage strategy was posted on a big public forum, not itself an affiliate, but casinos got to know about it as they saw a flood of players playing by rote from instructions they saw on this forum. THIS may well be the explanation, nothing to do with broken rules, but more down to many players following by rote a very specific sequence of plays, which collectively gives a +EV result, even if the rate of winners is itself under 50%. These strategies are usually "win or bust", and when accounts of winners are audited they seem to play almost the EXACT sequence of bets, and cash out at the same point in this sequence. The casino will then, in hindsight, define this sequence as "bonus abuse", and start voiding winnings.
The players involved are NOT "cheats", or "frauds", they have just taken advantage of "an education". Players who have NOT EVER seen this rote method published, but are skilled enough to work it out themselves, will ALSO get their winnings confiscated, and it is THEY who are going WTF

To find out what is going on, just ask a few of these players what they did, game by game, and deposit and withdrawal history. You will probably see a striking similarity between their actions. If so, ask them how they found the strategy, on the internet (which forum/site), or did they work it out for themselves.

I suspect it most likely involves the "double up & grind" strategy, of which there are many variants, some blindingly obvious, some less so - but all are overall +EV.

[Zodiac]

the OP-Manager replied to me today, because he was in holidays and took a little bit longer.