[Resolved] Casino Club - robot or no bot?

**heffernan** · 14th November 2008, 01:27 PM

Hello,

I'm new here. I'm from germany. and probably the most interesting capital of the world. like I am on this site? just had a serious disagreement with a casino. and because someone gave me a tip.

**Casinomeister** · 21st November 2008, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by heffernan

Hello,

I'm new here. I'm from germany. and probably the most interesting capital of the world. like I am on this site? just had a serious disagreement with a casino. and because someone gave me a tip.

Well, since you are banned now for being a fraudster, you can't read this if you try to log in.

For those of you using bots at Casino Club - you're getting caught out - and you are wasting Max's time with bogus PABs. I'd appreciate it if you'd all go take a hike and pull your crap with somebody else.

BS like this makes me tend to consider shutting down the PAB section for newbies. It's been done before - I'll do it again.

**AudiManinBoro** · 21st November 2008, 11:29 AM

Bots? lol How the hell do you use a bot with casinos? pmsl new one on me :S

**Shocked** · 21st November 2008, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

Well, since you are banned now for being a fraudster, you can't read this if you try to log in.

For those of you using bots at Casino Club - you're getting caught out - and you are wasting Max's time with bogus PABs. I'd appreciate it if you'd all go take a hike and pull your crap with somebody else.

BS like this makes me tend to consider shutting down the PAB section for newbies. It's been done before - I'll do it again.

Do I detect a whiff of hypocrisy from someone who uses bots himself?

**SlotMonster** · 21st November 2008, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Shocked

Do I detect a whiff of hypocrisy from someone who uses bots himself?

But Bryan doesn't use Vortran against Casinos

**hzock2** · 21st November 2008, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

Well, since you are banned now for being a fraudster, you can't read this if you try to log in.

For those of you using bots at Casino Club - you're getting caught out - and you are wasting Max's time with bogus PABs. I'd appreciate it if you'd all go take a hike and pull your crap with somebody else.

BS like this makes me tend to consider shutting down the PAB section for newbies. It's been done before - I'll do it again.

Well Bryan, you may be wrong with this one. I just saw this thread and thought, that the username seemed quite familiar to me and I checked back to see that I read about exactly the same problem posted under the same nick on a German Roulette-Strategy/hardcore gambling forum. Actually he there reported that he deposited 80 Euros and gambled it all the way up to 8000 Euro (seems like REAL gambling to me). He furthermore reported that he has been gambling at CC for a long time now and this was his first cash out ever (link: http://www.roulette-forum.de/index.php?showtopic=10222 ).
He was than told to submit a PAB on your site by another member.
So I dont really get the point why he should be using a bot.

I would be very curious to know what prove you were given by Casino Club, because all the info given on the German board seems quite authentic to me and I wonder about the outcome.

Furthermore looking on the Pitch a Bitch history Casino Club seems to scream 'bot fraudster' at any one cashing out a larger amount of money?! I personally experienced lack of support since the beginning of 2008 (long phone queue and no replys to emails) and this is why I wonder if Casino Club is drifting away from being a professional business.

In case he did in fact use a bot, I can of course understand Casino Clubs descision.

**hzock2** · 25th November 2008, 02:05 PM

Casino-Club has now posted the game logs on the German forum. Is this the same 'proof' you got and you made your descision upon? A statement would be appreciated...

**kimss** · 25th November 2008, 02:38 PM

Hah, that gameplay really is interesting! First off all, bot or not I don't care since it shouldn't make a difference. However, look at the gameplay.

Constant betting and you loose, change betsize all time to "shock" system and you keep winning. As soon as you keep going constant betsize you loose. Indeed interesting, or should I say - what I already had a feeling of. However nicely done to see theese stats, infact we have a great play right here!

http://www.roulette-forum.de/index.p...c=10222&st=255

Look at the betting patterns, and it pays of aslong as you do NOT repeat the bet after a win! Start doing that and you loose!

**kimss** · 25th November 2008, 02:49 PM

OMG! I wonder who's the BOT here, the casino or the player? I Dare anyone to accually look at the gameplay here, there are a HUGE pattern on how to win here. Not ONE time does the player have 2 wins in a row in 2216 hands!

If this gameplay doesn't show that online BJ is a laugh I do not know!

Now please anyone who knows deviance or what you call it, please tell me what I do not get in the gameplay here? What is random and fair with this gameplay?

Obviously the betting pattern is forcing a pattern from the way the games are dealt here.

Edit:
Attached is the gameplay posted at the other site, 2216 hands of BJ. There are 3 files in the ZIP file.

bj.txt - the gameplay as posted on german site
bj +.txt, all win lines prefixed with + for easy spotting of wins
bj -.txt, all lose lines prefixed with - for easy spotting losses.

**Shocked** · 25th November 2008, 03:13 PM

If those are the logs that are supposed to reveal that this player was using a bot then Casino Club have just shot themselves in the foot..with a shotgun...several times..then in the head just for good measure. If anything that hzock2 has said is true, then this casino should be relegated to the rogue bin until they've paid this person out.

My 2p.