This is Vegas

[Marie2473]

I tried out this casino with a free chip of 15 dollars they offered me. (The maximum cashout for this was $120 after ALOT of wagering)
I made the wagering requirements and after chatting with their support i found out that to validate that I was me, i had to make a deposit of 25 dollars from the method i would like to use for withdrawl.
I deposited with neteller and immidiately casjed out. Visited the chat to check if all was good and they said it was.
She/he also said that the time it takes varies alot..

Do you have any experaince at all with this casino? I just loved the games I might add, but what about their honesty? Do they pay an ddo they do it in good time?

Also anoter question. Once you have withdrawled from a free chip, is there any statistics at all saying that u will then go on a loosling streak if u deposit from your own money. reason why I ask is that I have only did this once, Won 100 with a free chip and never managed to win again in that same casino..

Thanx for your time!

 

[babs7262]

TIV makes you deposit after you won on a free chip? I cant remember which Rival I won at the same way but they didnt make me deposit after I won, infact I told them I wasnt going to deposit unless I know I get paid lol

I dont think you'll have a problem but be careful with your deposit because it "seems" that as soon as people deposit at "some" rivals, they lose fast. Could be a coincidence. If I can remember which rival I played at Ill let you know.


edit: Slotto cash is where i played

 

[Marie2473]

They told me that i needed to do it to verify that it was really my neteller account. i guess I could have sent in documents and stuff but i do belive that I read this in their rules before playing.*Didnt have to play the deposited money though.
I deposited 25 and directly withdrew them and my winnings..
Well, i guess we will see what happens. Worst case scenario, I have lost 25 bucks =)

 

[thisisvegas]

love the avatar babs, love cats including lolcats

Before you didn't have to deposit to cashin on the ND bonus however we have had too many players trying to signup with multiple accounts and it was changed to attempt to discourage that activity.

It doesn't sound like there will be any problems with your account.

John

 

[hokiepoker]

I turned $15.00 BONUS into $5000

I had a blast and I am now waiting to be able to cashin into a new ewalletXpress account that I have created for that purpose. I had a blast and I was up so much more than the $120 that I knew I could cash, that I started betting max coins for max dollars on the slots, and I believe I peaked at somewhere around $5000.00.

I am currently waiting for my account information to be verified, and when I have sucessfully placed the $120 into my checking account, I will let everyone know. I also earned $46.00 in comps during this wild run, and I will try to use those after I have received my winnings. If all goes well, I will try out one of their match bonuses and report back on how I do.

Thanks Casinomeister for dragging me back here and getting me restarted on my once successful online hobby.

:notworthy

 

[chuchu59]

I had a blast and I am now waiting to be able to cashin into a new ewalletXpress account that I have created for that purpose. I had a blast and I was up so much more than the $120 that I knew I could cash, that I started betting max coins for max dollars on the slots, and I believe I peaked at somewhere around $5000.00.

I am currently waiting for my account information to be verified, and when I have sucessfully placed the $120 into my checking account, I will let everyone know. I also earned $46.00 in comps during this wild run, and I will try to use those after I have received my winnings. If all goes well, I will try out one of their match bonuses and report back on how I do.

Thanks Casinomeister for dragging me back here and getting me restarted on my once successful online hobby.

:notworthy

I loved every bit of your post except the last sentence. CM doesnt drag anybody back otherwise there will be curses aplenty when someone loses his shirt because of this. People make their own decisions.

 

[Marie2473]

Well, made the deposit, flushed the withdrawl and waited. Today I got an email where they despite the fact that I made a deposit to verify that it was me has to send in documents and now it will be about 48 hours more....???

 

[hokiepoker]

Follow up on where I am right now

I successfully opened and funded eWalletXpress account with $50 from my Checking account. Deposited $25.00 minimumto the eWallet, and immediately withdrew $145.00 as per the instructions from the frendly chat person back to the eWallet. I now have to wait 2-5 business days for them to credit my eWalletXpress account the $145.00. If I want to withdraw it back to my checking account there will be a 10% fee ($17.00) deducted. Though I may not withdraw it immediately and I may use it to try to fund other good online opportunities that the Casinomeister deems quality opportunities.

On a note to follow up on chuchu's comment... I love the casinomeister...he and I go way back, to a time where making $$$ online was very easy. Those days are over and I don't ever think I will be that successful again, but it was his constant emails asking me to please come back and post that has gotten me off to a great restart of my online hobby...not a complaint, just a fact.

 

[Marie2473]

I was paid in full today so it actually didnt take that long after all =))

 

[hokiepoker]

Verfication requested and sent

As expected, I was required to fill in the faxback form , and attach a copy of my utility bill and driver's license.

I would expect to be paid by Monday.

I will let you know what happens


Hokiepoker

 

[Marie2473]

Hokiepoker, they accepted my documents the same day and the next day they credited my neteller accoutn so it did go very fast after all =)

 

[vinylweatherman]

love the avatar babs, love cats including lolcats

Before you didn't have to deposit to cashin on the ND bonus however we have had too many players trying to signup with multiple accounts and it was changed to attempt to discourage that activity.

It doesn't sound like there will be any problems with your account.

John

It will not deter the determined fraudster just because they have to deposit first. Indeed, they will be able to make you look much worse in the forums if they deposit, and THEN you say they are fraudsters and "steal" their money. They will make it look as though you tricked them out of $25 as well as denying the winnings from the free chip.

It seems that you still want documents on top, and this seems to have surprised one poster who thought the need to deposit $25 was for verification, and thus didn't expect to have to send in the documents on top.

Asking for a deposit only validates that the player has access to the account that is receiving the payment, and allows a check to be made to ensure that the depositing account is not also registered at another casino account. This will give an indication of multiple account activity, but clever fraudsters will counter this by creating multiple depositing accounts to go with the multiple casino accounts. You might catch a few "stupid" ones though, who don't think it through and use the same depositing account more than once.

 

[thisisvegas]

Just to clarify once again.

A deposit will do many things. If the player signed up with fake information like name or mailing address then having a deposit will verify some of this. Since we started enforcing a deposit as one verification step we have seen a drastic decrease in multiple account signups. However this isn't enough on it's own. Any cashins are subject to request for documents regardless. If the player is legitimate then I really don't see any objection to these 2 steps since they won money from nothing. If the player wants to signup multiple accounts then these 2 steps are going to make it tedious for them to do so and allow us a chance to not only catch it but prevent it. You have to understand that it is easy for someone to setup an account with a payment processor and receive money but depositing money into that does a lot of verification on it's own. We used to only ask for documents on cashouts but we saw too much abuse happening and asking for a deposit has cut it down substantially.

John

 

[vinylweatherman]

Just to clarify once again.

A deposit will do many things. If the player signed up with fake information like name or mailing address then having a deposit will verify some of this. Since we started enforcing a deposit as one verification step we have seen a drastic decrease in multiple account signups. However this isn't enough on it's own. Any cashins are subject to request for documents regardless. If the player is legitimate then I really don't see any objection to these 2 steps since they won money from nothing. If the player wants to signup multiple accounts then these 2 steps are going to make it tedious for them to do so and allow us a chance to not only catch it but prevent it. You have to understand that it is easy for someone to setup an account with a payment processor and receive money but depositing money into that does a lot of verification on it's own. We used to only ask for documents on cashouts but we saw too much abuse happening and asking for a deposit has cut it down substantially.

John

Not necessarily. Due to privacy laws, there is information that a processor is not supposed to be giving out, and if this method is working, then processors must be sharing more information than we might expect as routine.
Supposedly, processors are not supposed to pass on our personal details, but only enough information to make the deposit work. You are still relying on the processor to do the verification. If someone does not deposit but wins from the free chip & nominates a processor through which to be paid, they still have the problem of withdrawing the money from the processor, who will then want verification of the customer's ID.

Since it is working as a deterrent despite this, then maybe many of the multiple account fraudsters are chancers, rather than professionals, and it is the hardcore of professional fraudsters who will simply move to a different method.

A better explanation from CS would help, as it seems that one player got the impression that making the deposit was "verification", and REPLACED the tedious documents process with something far simpler.

Funding processors is getting easier for fraudsters too, with methods such as UKash being accepted, which are untraceable.

UKash is like a mobile phone top-up, it can be bought with cash from a shop, and then used to deposit that cash by means of a voucher code into a casino or processor. This will allow a processor account to be set up, and then primed with UKash to be used to make the deposit.

A better method of deterring multiple accounts would be a requirement to nominate a payment account BEFORE they get the free chip. This will put a dent in their ability to scam free chips, since rather than needing a valid withdrawal method only when they win, they will need different withdrawal methods/accounts for each free chip, win or lose. They will slip up more often, which means getting caught more often.

 

[thisisvegas]

I won't discuss which payment processing methods I think have holes in them for getting around "the system" but we don't accept ukash to begin with. The payment processor does not disclose information but they do have their own security checks in place to make sure the account is legit. Either way having to deposit does help to verify you are a real person to begin with. Since we implemented this feature we have seen a lot of the abuse disappear and if it didn't stop then we would simply discontinue the bonus. Most places that offer a no deposit bonus ask for ID and that they make a deposit.

 

[hokiepoker]

Nothing yet!!!

It's been nearly 72 hours since everything was "accepted" and I still am waiting. CSR said it could take up to 5 days. Quite frankly, I think this is one of the main reasons I gave up on online gaming the last time. I can go play real VLT's around the corner and I am paid instantly.

Man I tell you I hate waiting for my winnings!!!

I will report as soon as someting happens.

 

[hokiepoker]

For clarification:

145.00 eWalletXpress PROCESSING Oct 23, 12:04:24 AM

That's way longer than 72 hours, but there was the weekend in there.

Also, I had made the original withdrawal request 2 days earlier, after it took 3 days to set up the ewaletXpress account.

I guess this journey has been going on for well over a week now, as I was ready to make my withdrawal prior to last Monday the 20th of October.

 

[hokiepoker]

Well another day, and still waiting...

I guess when they say 2 to 5 business days, thay mean 5 business days...

That will be tomorrow!!!!

I will post again to let you know what happens.

 

[thisisvegas]

Send me a pm if you haven't done so already. Just logged in and checking now.

John

 

[vinylweatherman]

I won't discuss which payment processing methods I think have holes in them for getting around "the system" but we don't accept ukash to begin with. The payment processor does not disclose information but they do have their own security checks in place to make sure the account is legit. Either way having to deposit does help to verify you are a real person to begin with. Since we implemented this feature we have seen a lot of the abuse disappear and if it didn't stop then we would simply discontinue the bonus. Most places that offer a no deposit bonus ask for ID and that they make a deposit.

The problem is that some processors DO. Neteller has just launched UKash as a funding method. This means that a Neteller account can be set up, and primed with UKash, which could then be deposited to a casino. Neteller would not be able to verify the customer as they could with a deposit via a bank transfer, card, or cheque, and would have to request documents from the customer. This might, however, only happen when it comes to them requesting a payment FROM their Neteller account to a nominated payment method, by which time any "scamming" of casino free chips has been done.

The usual routine where a deposit method cannot be used to identify the source of funds is to insist on payment by cheque sent to the address registered when opening the account. This cheque would only be payable into a bank account owned by the recipient, and they would have to convince the bank that their ID was legit.
The possible flaw in this is Neteller - they can be all high & mighty when they want to, but will abdicate responsibility when customers complain that THEY were scammed through their Neteller account.

Maybe Neteller should not have accepted UKash in the first place. They must have done this to get business from those unable to meet the criteria for getting a bank account, forgetting of course that such players could NEVER meet the documentary requirements for getting paid from a casino (unless they "cheat"). Neteller would only pay these customers by cheque, but despite all the safeguards, it is possible to get a cheque cashed outside of the banking system for a fee, a legitimate service provided because the poorest people cannot get bank accounts.

I think the onerous ID requirements are actually making fraud worse, by excluding many from the legitimate financial system, and forcing them into the "black market" economy in order to make their transactions, where they then learn how they might get out of their poverty by dishonest means, with the promise of the easy money they see others bringing in quite legitimately for merely "sitting on their arses in fancy offices".

 

[hokiepoker]

still waiting

still waiting

 

[hokiepoker]

Wow... there has been a transfer of $145 into my ewalletXpress account.