No more 3dice for me :)!!

[kimss]

You most certainly are not the only one!

I think it's just that the people who actually win don't come here & moan about it!

I believe you have forgotten all about compulsive gamblers KK, atleast I hope so and that you do not do it deliberately. Why do a drunken man keep drinking? Why do people use drugs!

I still think the games are just as rigged, or balanced which is the latest word, even when I win. I know I have to win - no casino could live with a 75% payout for 10K of wagering, however I am sure it would be very much inside the norm of randomness anyway. Infact, I am bloody sure 10.000 spins flatbetting $1 with 30% payout also would be well in the norm of randomness really, since you need a fantasilion billion spins to make anything out an argument in randomness anyway. But I do not belive this is possible to acomplish in the MG system, such a low payout over time, we the players have demanded a maximum experience and we get it.

I believe the system is tweaked for optimal performance for the player - with the possibility to win aswell if you are lucky. Remember my last post with 3 strains of RNG, good normal bad. This is my simplified hypotheses of the workings of the RNG.

Anyway - bottom line is. When you are in a winning streak in MG you feel it, you feel the win is comming - and you can even switch slot and Kazam! you get the win there instead, how crazy is that! But you need to do some $18 and $20 spinning my friend to experience what we are talking about!

I am an addict - I crave to spin - I will always miss the game - the rush - it's in my blood - and it's in all of you people in the meister forum aswell - rigged or not - I need my fix, just like you do! Some of us play harder, most of us loose our heads and chase losses and reverse the withdrawals. Hey - we are gamblers! I know some people have a hard time admitting it for themselves, but the fact remains. What I need to do is to keep my deposits low so I can live with the cost of my nemesis! Either that or booze and women, In the end - nothing matters anyway! We will all be dead in a 100 years!

[babs7262]

I am an addict - I crave to spin - I will always miss the game - the rush - it's in my blood - and it's in all of you people in the meister forum aswell - rigged or not - I need my fix, just like you do! Some of us play harder, most of us loose our heads and chase losses and reverse the withdrawals. Hey - we are gamblers! I know some people have a hard time admitting it for themselves, but the fact remains. What I need to do is to keep my deposits low so I can live with the cost of my nemesis! Either that or booze and women, In the end - nothing matters anyway! We will all be dead in a 100 years!

I partially agree. I think some people are addicts and some people have self control. Would I spend my last $20 at a casino instead of buying food for my family? No Would I deposit AFTER all bills are paid and food is in the kitchen and the 401K is funded for the week and just use disposable income? YES Do I every once in awhile go overboard but not enough to hurt my family lol? Yes
Would I cashout out if I needed money when I reached $100 or more rather than be greedy and go for the gold? Yes

But, thats just me. I wouldnt be able to sleep at night if I compromised my faimly's welfare Thats what free tournies are for

[Pinababy69]

Outsanding post Babs, we are on the exact same wavelength re: money management.

Necessities come first, always. I don't think my daughter would appreciate a pic of a slot machine in her lunch box, instead of a sandwich and a snack.

Again I'll repeat what Winbig said, and why I think KK is so successful. It's about money management and discipline.

[kimss]

Again I'll repeat what Winbig said, and why I think KK is so successful. It's about money management and discipline.

.... and using every possible bonus ... and affiliate bonuses ...

But yes, management and discipline, sticking to low wagers and not betting high as we all know what happends then!

On the other hand, I have to pick on KK a little since he always boasts about winning and all is fair! If you take all bonuses available during a year, you atleast double your bankroll. Hovewer he is only up like 1K in the last 3 years?

In reality he lost a fortune, however - given the bonuses and doubling the bankroll - he managed to survive without loosing to to much of it in the process due to strick rules and timely use of excel spreadsheets! So - what does he win without doing all the bonuses? He is a looser - just as the rest of us playing the slots! The card players however, there atleast skill is revarded!

Also, is it really worth it investing all these hundreds of hours for $333 a year? So I would argue the statement being succesful is a little meaningless for me, but then again I am one of those high rollers looking for a big hit which I can accually buy something for,

Winning 1K should be a good night - not a succesful 3 year period, come on! He is a slot surviver, not a slot champion!

(hope i'm not offending anyone with this rant here - it's hard to make a point without mentioning names)

[Pinababy69]

Slot survivor....I like that, lol. And I do agree with you. But I agree with Babs insofar as how much satisfies you, is dependent on your financial circumstances.

If things aren't so great financially, then I will absolutely cashout $100. That gives me five more deposits on their money instead of mine.

But yes, there are times when I will "go for it". A really big bet to me is anything over a dollar a spin, lol. And as you said about buying something...when I have hit big, I have given very little back to the casinos. I have ALWAYS put the money to good use, and bought something tangible with it. For the most part, I play for enjoyment...but there is no denying that a big win gives you a "rush" that is almost incomparable.

And ditto on the bonues and KK....they definitely give you an advantage if you are a PATIENT player, who is willing to grind out your WR, and wait for that one big hit....which I am, lol.

[trade]

Paaalllleeasssee let's not turn this into a gambling "morality" discussion!

I think that same_old, Kismiss (even though he needs to learn it's "losing" not "loosing" <no offence meant Kismiss.. even native English user make that error!! > and others have some observations and concerns, that are being lost in the thread. Sooooooo... I repeat my point and questions!
>>>>"I would like to go back to one of the major issues in this thread re. 3Dice providing accountability via a 3rd party auditor's month by month report <retroactively to its inception> of the software payouts and availability of playcheck records....

With a proprietary software program, couldn't they adjust payouts and outcomes as they see fit? This is my burning question for the day!
I too wonder why Enzo, who is usually a contributor to these discussions has become silent and has not responded. No, he doesn't have to answer certain allegations re. fairness, but I think there are other points (playcheck, independent verifiable audits) that he could address.
Thanks!"

[Rusty]

PubJoe.
He comes in a thread about a Casino he has never played at and declares how fair online gaming is and anyone who suspects and says otherwise is a whinger and of course he sets himself apart from "all these gamblers"

[Pinababy69]

Sorry for the derail Trade. You are absolutely right. There are some issues that need to be addressed. I can't get on the "rigged" bandwagon, but I am totally on board with the other stuff.

Rusty, IMO only, I think that Pubjoe was just offering his opinion on gaming fairness in general. I realize it's a 3Dice thread, but you have to admit there have been questions re: all softwares of late. I don't think any of his posts were meant to be 3Dice specific, but more an overall opinion. Perhaps he should clear that up himself...I do get your point.

[GGW Laurie]

[QUOTE=trade;261432]Paaalllleeasssee let's not turn this into a gambling "morality" discussion! morality and money management go hand and hand............to not have either one makes for poor judgement and not a smart gambling move imo, a smart gambler knows what the limits are and has self control, something a few gamblers have problems with and will stay addicted until they lose everything and hit rock bottom, is it moral to spend your last cent at any casino and not take care of your self and family?, where as using your head and using money management tools , ie, taking care of your bills, your family, putting food on the table, having an emergency fund for lifes lil problems that may arise and after all is said and done, if you have extra income available, then your good to gamble, "going bust" just isnt a term for gambling......it happens in real life alot..............laurie

[Pinababy69]

That's very true Laurie, all of it. And.....spending money that you don't have, or going over your budget....tends to try and make you justify why you lost. As in the casino must be rigged. That's just a general opinion, and certainly not directed toward the OP here, or anything like that. All I know is that if you lose money you cannot afford to...or if you are counting on a big win to "save the day", then you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

Okay, back on topic Trade. Again, I apologize.