[ROGUE] The Dirty Secrets Behind Palace Of Chance Casino!!!

[GGW Laurie]

This rathole not only stole from the poster, but then managed to exploit her gullability shamelessly and criminally. I should be surprised, and yet I'm not. This isn't the first time a casino (group) has done harm physically and/or emotionally.
I sincerely hope that you get the money owed you, including the blackmail and conned money. If you do, it will be purely for the benefit of Gambling Wages...something for them to point to and say, "See??!!! We're legit! No, really! You must love me!". As long as you get your money.

However,

I hope you've got the proof of this, too. Whether you do or not...WTF? I get being embarrassed and not wanting people to know you got taken...But it seems to me that bit should NOT have been kept to yourself. You should have told someone. You're a regular here. You knew you could get hold of mystic. Not cool.
You're a legitimate victim here. No question. But if you had just told mystic what you'd heard, at least she'd have maybe felt a bit better, knowing she wasn't for sure in the wrong.

true swampwitch, this is what i meant by righting a wrong and getting this guilt off me and helping mystic, i sent mystic a p.m last night with the mgrs. email addy and all the info she needed to provide in order to get her money back, as i said i was wrong and im so sorry, more than anyone on here will ever know................laurie

[vinylweatherman]

This rathole not only stole from the poster, but then managed to exploit her gullability shamelessly and criminally. I should be surprised, and yet I'm not. This isn't the first time a casino (group) has done harm physically and/or emotionally.
I sincerely hope that you get the money owed you, including the blackmail and conned money. If you do, it will be purely for the benefit of Gambling Wages...something for them to point to and say, "See??!!! We're legit! No, really! You must love me!". As long as you get your money.

However,

I hope you've got the proof of this, too. Whether you do or not...WTF? I get being embarrassed and not wanting people to know you got taken...But it seems to me that bit should NOT have been kept to yourself. You should have told someone. You're a regular here. You knew you could get hold of mystic. Not cool.

You're a legitimate victim here. No question. But if you had just told mystic what you'd heard, at least she'd have maybe felt a bit better, knowing she wasn't for sure in the wrong.

This was determined long ago, but she resigned herself to the fact that this rogue group had screwed her over royally, and would not pay whatever the evidence. Now, a couple of years later, we have some considerable leverage, and should take full advantage of it before this "new manager" gets fired for being so "helpful".

They may well believe that if the big gambling press got hold of this, and with PROOF, they would be finished! This is the leverage that needs to be used, they will be backed into a corner, and will have to right the wrongs, and produce a whitewash along the lines of "the staff responsible have been fired, and new management will ensure nothing like this can EVER happen again......... etc.... BS..... Whitewash".

Such a statement will, of course, be complete and total bullshite, and after the fuss dies down I am sure they will reintroduce their usual tricks, but be far more careful about leaving "proof" in the hands of players.

Irreperable damage will be done to RTG though if this story becomes proven, and RTG will probably find it in their best interests to ditch this entire group, even though they are by far their biggest customer. The story should receive the widest possible circulation among the player, and potential player, communities for their own protection. If virtual go bust because of this (with any luck), they will take a great deal of unsuspecting player's funds with them.

There is still some doubt as to whether they are behind the old "Crystal Palace" rebranded casinos, and these should also be avoided as if they are Virtual until evidence to the contrary appears.

[Mousey]

Nothing surprises me anymore.... I've been here too long, seen too many insane things that players and casinos will do, I guess.

I do wish Laurie had sent all the pertinent info and copies of the emails, etc. to Max or Bryan first, waiting to post once the situation was settled -- or not -- whatever the case may be. Posting publicly first can sometimes cause 'complications', so to speak, and gets too many involved that have no power to see that something is done.

All that said... I wish you luck, Laurie.

[jas2587]

well they say to rid yourself of guilt will make one feel better, we are gonna find out now!!! i used to play at palace of chance long before i was a regular on casinomeister and i spent many many thousands of dollars there, enough to buy a home with(small). where to start hum? i won alot of money back last year when dean was manager and i kept getting jerked around left and right, some money did come in after christmas but out of that i had to send dean 500.00 for helping me get paid faster, i also sent an employee there 500.00 so that he could go home and also 250.00 more for medication, im too friggin kind hearted.i also was told a secret and had to promise not to tell(breaking promise, something i dont do) mysticjoz you know that jackpot you won, well you did win it fairly but they didnt want to pay cause you won on a 20.00 deposit..i am no longer v.i.p there and had them close all my accounts even though i do get a 500.00 free chip a month 10x playthru 1 times max cashout, got bored today and have they changed the rules lol, its not worth the 500.00 a month to keep all that inside. i will say that cindy is a sweet person and i mean her no ill will but to many lies to many secrets and i feel so much better now, hope you guys will forgive me for holding in all this info........please for the sake of your sanity and money do not play at any of those casinos, close out your accounts and fast, just as i have done.....another bridge burnt behind me.......................and if that person i sent that money to is reading and they do read this forum, i want my 750.00 back ,i dont really expect to get it back, just a life lesson learned the hard way.............laurie(a soul cleansed)

I have read this post several times since you posted it an I am stunned
I as a player would never make a "Secret" with a casino if I knew they was screwing a player outta true winnings 5K to 6K is not small change

I am wondering tooo you say "they changed the rules" is this why you decided to "cleanse your soul" I just don't understand the reasoning behind this post

I read in the forum the post well over a year ago where Mystic won the money an you are coming clean Now to Cleanse your Soul??

Why What changed the $500 you was getting every month as hush money??

yeah I know I will get flack from the regulars peeps here but I cant sleep right ever since I read this post choosing a casino over a player we are all players


Stumped in Florida

Cindy

[GGW Laurie]

First person I thought of when I read Integrity's non-sense, maybe or maybe not for the same reasons as you.....You did not have to listen to her constant defense of Virtual and insinuations that you, the late Landair (RIP), and yes this forum had it all wrong.

Personally, my only take was I do not care where anyone plays but how could there be so many complaints yet they choose to pay Laurie always as she claimed (installments were mentioned) but if so fine. Crop the screenshots,whatever. She once even asked me to print and for logistical reasons partially fill out a Club Player faxback form for her (FTR, I did not know Club Player from Congressional Country Club until that time).

She stood by Virtual for months and to her credit in a strange way, she made mention of it on this forum.....Then, my entire perspective changed when I asked Laurie, when and if (like it was rocket science but still hypothetically at the time), you do just happen to get screwed over at some point after all your adamant defending of Virtual and implications of even a forum conspiracy against Virtual, do you have a right to complain about Virtual???? I was shocked based on circumstance at the time when she answered (paraphrasing), if they don't pay me, I will!! Sorry, wrong answer at least for me and I told her such!

This thread is not just about dirt on Virtual imo as that is and has been all over the Net. Rob, you said it, "follow the money". And if it is about Laurie's philanthropy, one should know that imo Tennessee has a new strange definition of philanthropy as this thread reminded me of a July 2008 excerpt from TENNESEAN.COM:

Bankrupt broker tries to kill himself; investors still in dark about their millions
By NAOMI SNYDER • Staff Writer • July 10, 2008

A 41-year-old bankrupt stockbroker tried to commit suicide this week amid mounting questions about the whereabouts of millions of dollars taken from investors, many of them wooed at the exclusive Governors Club in Brentwood.

Most of the questions have yet to be answered by Brentwood stockbroker Michael Jinyong Park, who was in a hospital Wednesday with self-inflicted knife wounds to his wrist and a stab wound to his abdomen, Metro police said.


Park sent some of his investors a letter last week saying their account with Park Capital Management Group "has no current liquid value."

What investors do know is that Park seemed a smart, successful stockbroker who drove around in a Mercedes and a Porsche and who offered, in many cases, as much as a 20 percent annual return during a time when the stock market was sinking.

"He seemed to have an answer for everything,'' said Michael Siriyutwatana, a 37-year-old who invested his retirement account with Park. "All of this has happened so fast. One day you think you have this much, and suddenly you don't."........................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .......

The case recalls last summer's investment scandal, when Murfreesboro philanthropist Robert W. McLean committed suicide after investors claimed his Ponzi scheme had robbed them of close to $50 million. That case still is winding its way through the federal bankruptcy system.

SHAME ON VIRTUAL, SHAME ON INTEGRITY, SHAME ON DOUBLE STANDARDS, and SHAME ON ME!

Now I am wish to request that my account at this forum become dormant. I am privy to knowing and knowing about the OP offline. On account of, I have major philosophical differences with the OP, thus creating too much tension for this forum at present. I would like the option to return in the event the situation at present should change in the future. I assure you my philosophical differences will never change......To all whom further educated me to the multitude of important aspects in online gaming, MUCH OBLIGE!

yes garry, you do know alot of personal things about me that are private and if i recall it was i that asked along time ago if i should say something about poc and you said no, you would lose your credibility, as far as the club player fax back form, i thought it was club world or another casino, could be wrong though, it sure wouldnt be the first time,i have lost that on here(respect) and thats the price i must pay now, i did say as long as they pay me but that goes for all casinos, i even have that on my profile page, when you think that some people are your friends and promise that they are going to take such good care of you as a player and then you see how they have treated other people it does make one sick, i told you along time ago im not good at debating, never have and never will, ill leave that up to the better ones that are great at that. those big screen shots, yes they were at poc and most people who know me well enough know that, i never made a secret that i used to play there, i even had it listed as my favorite casino on the profile page at one time.i should have done something from the get go and didnt, i wil always regret that mousey, all i can do is ask for forgivness and move ahead and try now to do the right thing. i am truly sorry to all.........laurie

[anniemac]

Jas,

I, too, have really been bothered about this.

I guess my problem has to do with the issue of knowing that one player got screwed out of money that was due her and not saying anything until you are the one getting screwed. Just doesn't sit well with me, especially since I do know of Mystic's health issues and the she could have been paid if Lauri had just stepped up and told what she knew then. If you see someone getting robbed, isn't it your responsibility to tell the police? Just because you didn't get robbed, doesn't lessen your responsibility to do the right thing.

All I have to say now is that I hope everyone does the right thing and above all else, Mystic gets paid.

[GGW Laurie]

I have read this post several times since you posted it an I am stunned
I as a player would never make a "Secret" with a casino if I knew they was screwing a player outta true winnings 5K to 6K is not small change

I am wondering tooo you say "they changed the rules" is this why you decided to "cleanse your soul" I just don't understand the reasoning behind this post

I read in the forum the post well over a year ago where Mystic won the money an you are coming clean Now to Cleanse your Soul??

Why What changed the $500 you was getting every month as hush money??

yeah I know I will get flack from the regulars peeps here but I cant sleep right ever since I read this post choosing a casino over a player we are all players


Stumped in Florida

Cindy

nope cindy, the v.i.p 500.00 lifetime free chip wasnt hush money, i was told that about mystics win and had to promise not to say anything after i kept hounding dean about it, he said she had won on a 20.00 deposit but had several free chips before that and that he wasnt going to pay her as it was a 20.00 deposit, just like i told roger on the phone last night when he called, should i have come forward sooner? yes and i regret not doing so, now all i want to do is help get mystic her money back she won fair and square by bringing this out in the open, she would not have gotten it before thru p.a.b and we all know that, now the new management to save face must do the right thing and pay her, and the 500.00 free chip is kinda hard to play anymore when you have closed your accounts, so thats not the issue at hand, its holding this company responsable for screwing so many people around and now that my proof is in hand and they want to save what face they still may have, they need to pay mystic and all that have been screwed over by them.................laurie

[tim5ny]

Mousey is right! Too bad this is not a surprise! Reminds me of the movie "Casino", and Joe Pesci. There may be some blood spilled over this, but don't feel guilty Laurie. You were the victim.

[GGW Laurie]

Jas,

I, too, have really been bothered about this.

I guess my problem has to do with the issue of knowing that one player got screwed out of money that was due her and not saying anything until you are the one getting screwed. Just doesn't sit well with me, especially since I do know of Mystic's health issues and the she could have been paid if Lauri had just stepped up and told what she knew then. If you see someone getting robbed, isn't it your responsibility to tell the police? Just because you didn't get robbed, doesn't lessen your responsibility to do the right thing.

All I have to say now is that I hope everyone does the right thing and above all else, Mystic gets paid.

mystic would not have gotten paid if i had said something earlier, mystics health has been on my mind and my guilt just overwhelming, i am not one for speaking up or stiring stuff up, yesterday was just my breaking point, its been building up along time and with mystics health, i had to let go and speak out.im sorry mystic and everyone else, and yes my soul does feel much better and will feel much better when she has her money and they are suffering bizz. losses, big time................laurie

[mysticjoz]

Thank you very much LaurieJim.

It takes a true hearted person to be able to come onto this forum and in front of hundreds (if not thousands) of members ADMIT this AND ask this rogue casino to right a wrong! I truly give you so much credit for this alone! I think what may have had you hesitating about letting anyone here know about this dirtly little secret is the repercussions you are starting to see by some members. I appologize myself for them. There is no reason for anyone to be mad at you. You asked my forgiveness. YES of course I forgive you. Money does some strange things to people. They turn vicious... angry.. for gods sake I just told my ex (who is absolutely consumed with money) that "i can't pay anyone to give me back my legs or fix my back.. All the money in the world can't fix it! that is reality!" and it is reality, my reality. But I deal with it.

I am in total shock over this whole thread right now, so this first post will probably be short while I absorb all that I just read.

Vinylweatherman.. thank you. You did all that work and did all those numbers to find out that yes.. my deposits did exceed my "free chips".. You knew all along that I was telling the truth as did my true friends whom I always hold close to my heart.

I am a bit disappointed at some of you right now. You are on the attack and shouldn't be. LaurieJim is starting a new chapter in her life right now! Give her the pat on the back she needs! This is not about "my winnings" right now, this is about letting her know she did the right thing! I don't care if it took her a year or 5 years! She did it NOW and that is ALL that matters to me.

So.. while I sit back.. have a cigarette and re-read this thread again, I ask you guys to all be patient with me but also, please give her the respect she deserves! She is righting a wrong. regardless of "why".. in the end she is doing the right thing.
LaurieJim, I respect you much more today, and I do hope you know that you did the right thing. Thank you!