[ROGUE] The Dirty Secrets Behind Palace Of Chance Casino!!!

[mysticjoz]

It is often argued, quite rightly, on this forum that if players did a proper search on Casinos many of the rogues would be out of business but that is only One part of the story.

The other side is the affiliates who are motivated only by greed and have the moral standards of toilet slime.
Did you know that if you do a search in Google "palace of chance" you have to go through 7 pages of such slime before you get to a warning from this beloved forum on page 8.

There are some decent and responsible affiliates here at Casinomeister but for every one of them there are 100 slimeballs that will happily lead a new player into these clip joints in the full knowledge they are likely to get ripped off but hey as long as they get their share of the loot, right?

The fallout from this is that if new players search a Casino they may well still never find anything negative about them because of the constant effluence of misinformation that washes away the facts coming from places like this forum.

These rogue Casinos exist because of the multitude of rogue affiliate sites that promote them. They are the Ones that put these sites in the public domain.
Is it possible to have a virtual pit here at CM to throw them all in?
Name and shame?
Or is that just such a massive undertaking that it is not possible?

That is so true! and Sad. but you are right.. greed makes people lose sight of morals and some will lead the innocent into a snake pit all for money!
I myself like the idea of "Name and Shame". The more negative we get out there on these scumbags, the better IMO! I do remember we managed to get a rogue posting pop up near first on a google search by continuing to mention "google and the casino name" in the title section and in the posts. (remember ministering angels?),,

"Name and Shame" would also be a great idea for educating the newcomers. it gets so monotonous seeing that so many people find CM only after being robbed... (like myself!) but to see so many threads that start with "don't play at ___ you won't get paid" or "_____ is not paying me my money" when they are all listed in the rogue section.
I am so glad I found CM... and my thanks to my many friends who make me feel welcome here.

[bryand]

@ Laurie and Mystic, One question is kinda obvious to me after reading through this thread. Did you discuss using CM as a way to collect from POC prior to the original post?

[tim5ny]

@ Laurie and Mystic, One question is kinda obvious to me after reading through this thread. Did you discuss using CM as a way to collect from POC prior to the original post?

You silly goose!

[mysticjoz]

@ Laurie and Mystic, One question is kinda obvious to me after reading through this thread. Did you discuss using CM as a way to collect from POC prior to the original post?

This post confuses me Bryand. If you read the thread entirely (and the link to my original thread) you would see that Yes I did. I can not answer for LJ because as you should see there are actually two seperate issues here. My winning a random jackpot and LJ being told the truth behind that win being legit.
But to keep it from coming out in the open, POC and the one "employee" who actually told me I would be paid.. felt it more "profitable" to have LJ keep that secret, but for a price.

The saddest part of this whole thing is that I probably won't see that money.
Because If anyone remembers and as a friend of mine told me, this fact is being discussed on other forums... "I was paid a small amount of money which was NOT comparable to my RJ win.. and I was only paid that because I broke the covetted rule of threatening charge backs." But.. I had no choice.. my guy had left us, and we had nothing.
Yet had this "secret" been brought out in time.. that small amount would not have been an option.

But,,, I can't and won't pass judgement on anyone here. I forgave LJ because she had the integrity to come on here and in front of hundreds or thousands she told the truth. That in itself must have been difficult.

I have always been honest with all of you.. and I am not about to change that. To me this whole thing is frustrating. To have it brought back up with more "wishful thinking" in a time of need... I am beginning to wonder.

I get PM's regarding alot of issues behind this... So to be honest.. I am beginning to get very confused right now! guess I need to step back for a minute. And wait to see if LJ answers the same.
AT the time of the RJ "hit"..Yes, I did go thru the PAB process and my original thread of which I took some real heat at times.
If you are asking if "WE" (LJ and I) discussed having CM resolve this issue,,,
I honestly did not know anything about it until I signed on to CM to PM's and this new thread which was already picking up steam. (If you did not know I have not been on as often due to health issues).

I don't know if LJ went to CM with this first or not.

[GGW Laurie]

This post confuses me Bryand. If you read the thread entirely (and the link to my original thread) you would see that Yes I did. I can not answer for LJ because as you should see there are actually two seperate issues here. My winning a random jackpot and LJ being told the truth behind that win being legit.
But to keep it from coming out in the open, POC and the one "employee" who actually told me I would be paid.. felt it more "profitable" to have LJ keep that secret, but for a price.

The saddest part of this whole thing is that I probably won't see that money.
Because If anyone remembers and as a friend of mine told me, this fact is being discussed on other forums... "I was paid a small amount of money which was NOT comparable to my RJ win.. and I was only paid that because I broke the covetted rule of threatening charge backs." But.. I had no choice.. my guy had left us, and we had nothing.
Yet had this "secret" been brought out in time.. that small amount would not have been an option.

But,,, I can't and won't pass judgement on anyone here. I forgave LJ because she had the integrity to come on here and in front of hundreds or thousands she told the truth. That in itself must have been difficult.

I have always been honest with all of you.. and I am not about to change that. To me this whole thing is frustrating. To have it brought back up with more "wishful thinking" in a time of need... I am beginning to wonder.

I get PM's regarding alot of issues behind this... So to be honest.. I am beginning to get very confused right now! guess I need to step back for a minute. And wait to see if LJ answers the same.
AT the time of the RJ "hit"..Yes, I did go thru the PAB process and my original thread of which I took some real heat at times.
If you are asking if "WE" (LJ and I) discussed having CM resolve this issue,,,
I honestly did not know anything about it until I signed on to CM to PM's and this new thread which was already picking up steam. (If you did not know I have not been on as often due to health issues).

I don't know if LJ went to CM with this first or not.

i did not know of mystics true win until after relentless badgering and promises of not to say anything by dean .n at poc, i was told in dec or early part of jan o8. as you can tell from my post in mystics original thread about p.o.c, i had not a clue and casinomeister shut it down and had even stated for mystic to resign herself that she would not get paid by this group, it would not have helped had i came forward that day or not as dean had been let go or quit or in limbo as upper managment had found out about the money i had paid the two individuals at poc and was deciding whether to bring him back, i sent an email to j. todd, and 3 others on the forum, where he was asking me for 400.00 to pay his rent with, which i did not do, i even stated back then that i thought a few of them(poc) were my friends) in mystics original thread, when lauram, did the thread on mystics health, i was just over come with guilt and had disscussed this with another forum member later after this thread as could have been the reson for my pannic attack, not really sure, but i did inform p.o.c that i wanted to close out my accounts and that i was comming forward with the truth right before i posted my thread, thus being why it was prolly not stated in correct format and some things should have been , as i was trying to tell all that i knew at the moment. mystic did indeed have a win ,.i know to be true from the manager, dean, from his own mouth. i did not know way back when about her true win, i never took any bribe or hush money,i never went to c/m about it,as i felt he had resinged himself to the fact that mystic would not be paid. i always had admitted that i used to play there regulary and was warned by several including c/m and simmo as well as others from the beginning, i stopped playing at p.o.c as far as depositing real money and had told cindy the reasons why, that i wish i had played at the ones that im playing at now as i felt all those years of playing there had been one of the worst mistakes ive ever made and she agreed with me and told me to continue to play where i was happy at and if i ever wanted to come back i was more than welcome,ive known for months that i would never be back except to play that 500.00 lifetime v.i.p chip once amonth.i never contacted j todd but he contacted me after a forum member told him about it and has been helpful in trying to get mystics money back. should i have kept my mouth shut over the whole thing, i dont think so imo, should these folks have been exposed, yes, i think so, i still feel in my heart that now that poc has this looking them in the face, they need to do what is right and regardless of paying whatever small amount they did to mystic, that itself shows they knew something imo, they should pay her for what she did not get as well as pain and suffering she went thru but this isnt a court case and and we are dealing with folks that dont give a damn about doing whats right and trying to do the decent thing, im not a good typer or one for stating things to get my point across and i look to have this picked to death by some, oh well, i told the truth and if you tell the truth you have nothing to fear............laurie

[BingoT]

I say right on Laurie
No one should keep this kinda stuff inside them.
Tell the Truth and nothing but the truth so help me God.
Everyone needs to know "NOW' why hide anything like this.
I am so proud of you to come forward like you have done in this thread.
And I hope all works out in Mysticjoz case on this she Deserves It & everyone else in this matter.

[same_old]

Of course I still love you Laurie ( very kind hearted woman and your true intentions are good) but you should have come cleaner a lot sooner with this , you literally have solid proof of this MASSIVE rogue outfit and saw the countless complaints arise on this site about them , you even post in a few threads and still not a word??? - could of saved people a lot of money

I really hope you get some money out of this MJ, I honestly do!

[lots0]

I do remember we managed to get a rogue posting pop up near first on a google search by continuing to mention "google and the casino name" in the title section and in the posts. (remember ministering angels?)

Yup if you search google for
[ministeringangel.com]
[ministeringangel]
[ministering angel]
[ministering angel casino]
Or just about any combination of their name your gonna see a site or two talking about what bad guys they are...

There is a lot of affiliate crap in the search engines... Just means you should support the honest sites and ignore the toilet slime...

[GGW Laurie]

bryan, i wish to have this thread closed now as its now in the good hands of folks like yourself and j.todd to use and possably do some good with, i feel as i have exposed them(poc) and told what i know to be the truth,as mystic said too many cooks in the kitchen, i have forwarded j.todd some emails and will forward the same to you and the copies of the western union and moneygram to which the two persons were sent money, as soon as they arrive, i was told 10 to 14 days. this is now a issue between mystic and you and j. todd also g.w(poc)that may get resolved i hope, so with that, please close the thread and ill be happy to help in any way you see fit by email or p.m..............again, im sorry for members that have been hurt by this thread but i sure hope it saved some folks in the long run...................laurie

[Casinomeister]

bryan, i wish to have this thread closed now as its now in the good hands of folks like yourself and j.todd to use and possably do some good with, i feel as i have exposed them(poc) and told what i know to be the truth,as mystic said too many cooks in the kitchen, i have forwarded j.todd some emails and will forward the same to you and the copies of the western union and moneygram to which the two persons were sent money, as soon as they arrive, i was told 10 to 14 days. this is now a issue between mystic and you and j. todd also g.w(poc)that may get resolved i hope, so with that, please close the thread and ill be happy to help in any way you see fit by email or p.m..............again, im sorry for members that have been hurt by this thread but i sure hope it saved some folks in the long run...................laurie

I agree - it's really going nowhere. We know this is a Costa Rican clip shot joint. We know that they have a crappy-ass history when it comes to their veracity. It's old news that their managers (or ex-managers) have issues with professionalism. If there is anything newsworthy, then begin another thread. This one is a horse well-beaten.

Good luck to Mysticjoz or whomever receiving any winnings due.

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